Crackdown on illegal teachers: Police target international schools in "X-Ray Outlaw Foreigner" campaign

[anon789561]

19 minutes ago, j8k said:

Why don't these schools employ NES?

because they are hard to find. try living in bangkok on 30k a month. doesn't equate to a nice life hence why they are employing africans who make up their money in other ways

[j8k]

8 minutes ago, Happy enough said:

because they are hard to find. try living in bangkok on 30k a month. doesn't equate to a nice life hence why they are employing africans who make up their money in other ways

30K! My bar bill is more than that. I'd not be able to eat.

[anon789561]

1 minute ago, j8k said:

30K! My bar bill is more than that. I'd not be able to eat.

you drink in nice places but i get your point. very easy to do 30k on a weekend just on going out. take out rent food and probably having to sort out their own visas and you are basically poor. hence why they find it difficult to find proper teachers

[MRToMRT]

I have read this and I think that, as with most articles in the Thai English language press - many of us are not taking into account how these articles are written to fuel particular reactions. They are not really journalism -  more a mixture of "journalism", manipulation and opinion.

 

Taking into account this is Thailand and not some "western" so called democracy, the police have actually ended up doing something right here - catching people who have and continue to break the law. Its a start.

 

 

[duanebigsby]

On 3/12/2018 at 3:08 PM, ostyan said:

Filipino female with fake diplomas and lack of English knowledge earns here 30 000. Hard to believe an African can earn 30.000 but this is Thailand. Everything is possible and its opposite too.

I've worked with a lot of Filipino teachers and they've all had legitimate education degrees and speak excellent English. They are usually paid less than NES,  like the Africans. Many people from Africa also have legitimate Education degrees but many do indeed have fake ones and are up to no good.

[duanebigsby]

On 3/11/2018 at 4:14 AM, ozmeldo said:

I applaud it. Schools should be called out as well. In addition to the drugs, overstay and other crimminaity I wonder how many have no degree or one that does not show up on the TCTs list?

 

Why does Thailand admit Africans? They are not tourists. Even So Africans come to work not play. They are broke and future is hopeless.

 

Problem solved.

That blanket statement is incredibly racist.

 

While there are many criminally minded people from Africa here, there are many people here from Africa with proper education degrees and come here to teach simply because the money is better.

[StayinThailand2much]

On 3/14/2018 at 7:41 AM, j8k said:

Why don't these schools employ NES?

Because NES from the U.S. or UK wouldn't work for a lousy pay that is even lower than the salary back home, if working at McDonalds? Schools have been paying 30,000 baht for a 40+ hour working week for the past 20 or so years. But while a thousand bucks in 1998 was a decent amount to live on in LOS, in 2018 it would only suffice for a small unfurnished apartment and 3x sticky rice a day...

[duanebigsby]

1 minute ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Because NES from the U.S. or UK wouldn't work for a lousy pay that is even lower than the salary back home, if working at McDonalds? Schools have been paying 30,000 baht for a 40+ hour working week for the past 20 or so years. But while a thousand bucks in 1998 was a decent amount to live on in LOS, in 2018 it would only suffice for a small unfurnished apartment and 3x sticky rice a day...

Not entirely true. I make that  mere 30k baht and I put about $400 a month of it in the bank. Granted, I live in Chiang Rai.  I have a 3 bedroom, 2 level townhouse, and I go out several times a week and live quite comfortably.

[StayinThailand2much]

2 hours ago, duanebigsby said:

Not entirely true. I make that  mere 30k baht and I put about $400 a month of it in the bank. Granted, I live in Chiang Rai.  I have a 3 bedroom, 2 level townhouse, and I go out several times a week and live quite comfortably.

Yeah, I rather meant Bangkok. But how can you live on 18,000 baht? I spend more than that on food alone, not to mention transportation in Bangkok, visa costs and trips...

Edited March 15, 2018 by StayinThailand2much

[champers]

On 3/9/2018 at 1:22 PM, brain150 said:

144 is a very interesting number 

It's a gross calumny.

[duanebigsby]

20 hours ago, StayinThailand2much said:

Yeah, I rather meant Bangkok. But how can you live on 18,000 baht? I spend more than that on food alone, not to mention transportation in Bangkok, visa costs and trips...

Easy. I don't spend 600 baht a day on food. What are you eating? I cook most days. Visa and work permit extensions are under 5k baht per year. I pay 5k a month for rent and about 200 baht a month for petrol.

[jenny2017]

On 3/9/2018 at 5:14 PM, Loaded said:

I find it hard to believe that foreigners living and working illegally in Thailand tell you the details of how they are living and working illegally.

And they do not promote their fake degrees either. To make such a statement someone needs to be in a hiring position to have access to resumes, not just hearsay. 

[The manic]

International schools have stringent recruitment procedures.  Maybe they actually mean private TEFL schools. But no Thai students woukd accept an African teacher anyway. 

[Bangkokazy]

They call themselves a teacher, but in reality they are dope-men.

[bangrak]

When there would be a deep investigation about all these junk-visa: education, teaching, students', etc., and into the operation of the, often specialised, companies organising these, I'd bet a lot of names would come out which would be, erm, 'related to' members of different police services...

[jsgatse]

On 3/10/2018 at 3:23 PM, FritsSikkink said:

Joke is food 

yes, I know that.
 

Joke also means:
 

(informal)

a person or thing that is ridiculously inadequate.

"the transportation system is a joke"

synonyms:

laughingstock, object of ridicule,

[ozmeldo]

On 3/15/2018 at 7:02 PM, StayinThailand2much said:

Because NES from the U.S. or UK wouldn't work for a lousy pay that is even lower than the salary back home, if working at McDonalds? Schools have been paying 30,000 baht for a 40+ hour working week for the past 20 or so years. But while a thousand bucks in 1998 was a decent amount to live on in LOS, in 2018 it would only suffice for a small unfurnished apartment and 3x sticky rice a day...

Agencies are now willing to pay recent Thai grads 28k to work upcountry and 25k for BKK to teach EFL.

 

If you're not making minimum 40k, kill yourself.

[jenny2017]

On 3/14/2018 at 5:27 PM, Donaldo said:

The authorities seem to have an obsession with foreigners. I am not an advocate for trying to circumvent the system, but all this has certainly put me off to go and live in Thailand. The fact that I can not adquire land, or do a job makes me already feel not welcome, without all the added aggravation. My Thai girlfriend who has been living and travelling for many years totally agrees with me and is more then critical with her countries attitude. We know so many Thai's who entered Europe on a tourist visa, with no intention to return. And those who have a legal status are treated exactly the same as the locals. They are certainly not referred to as Farangs. The latter might not be even ill intended, but leaves a nasty taste. Nor do they have to pay 10 times more to enter a museum or other attractions. If Thai's will climb out from under their "kala", they might start to understand that they better open up or will be stuck in the middle ages for a long time to come.

I moved to this country 15 years ago when everything was quite a lot different, cheaper, not so crowded, Thais liked us much more, and schools were happy to have somebody working for them.

 

No hassle with the work permit, no problems with your visa, really everything was better. And even the girls for one night were only 500 baht for 24 hours.

 

Now, 15 years later, I don't think that I'd chose Thailand again as the place to settle down. Everything is much more expensive, Thais dislike foreigners more and more, the laws and regulations for visa and work permits have changed that it's not fun anymore.

 

Nobody yet was offering me the opportunity for a 5-year visa, or even better the chance to have a Thai passport as well. I can't take my wife and son to the country where I'm from because of requirements I do not meet. And I failed to teach my wife and son Germish, was never even thinking that I would come into such a situation that I'd think about moving back where I came from. 

 

I had a few million baht when I arrived but traveling, buying a car and a bike wasn't cheap. Now I know that I should have bought a house. 13 years of teaching and I'm making much less money than I did when I started? Considering the skyrocketing prices for food alone, insane. 

 

 The shoebox we lived in 15 years ago was on sale for 400,000 baht. Now I'd have to have one million, or more to have a similar shoebox to live in. I pay my taxes, but that's it. Oh, I may pay my taxes, sorry. 

 

[attrayant]

And those with a real [degree] are often not much better in general knowledge about English, let’s leave the spoken part out now……many have graduated in Tagalog, but you wouldn’t know that. And they graduate from university at the age of just 18. Their educational system isn't better than Thailand's. 

 

That’s why I keep advocating for the right of schools to means-test applicants and qualify them for a position if they can demonstrate serious ability.

 

If an applicant can explain and diagram photosynthesis and balance a redox reaction on the whiteboard, that’s a science teacher and I don’t care if s/he has a degree or not.

 

If you can explain the difference between angular and linear velocity and can diagram vectors, you’re a math teacher regardless of what “qualifying” papers you may or may not be holding.

 

In short, I don’t care what school you went to 35 years ago. If you know your subject and you can teach, you should be hired.

[jenny2017]

18 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

That’s why I keep advocating for the right of schools to means-test applicants and qualify them for a position if they can demonstrate serious ability.

If an applicant can explain and diagram photosynthesis and balance a redox reaction on the whiteboard, that’s a science teacher and I don’t care if s/he has a degree or not.

If you can explain angular velocity and diagram vectors, you’re a math teacher regardless of what “qualifying” papers you may or may not be holding.

In short, I don’t care what school you went to 35 years ago. If you know your subject and you can teach, you should be hired.

 

 

Spot on! I had to watch quite a lot of demonstration lessons given by applicants who wanted a job at a primary school. There were times when I had to leave the room, it's not fun at all. 

 

  A question for a primary science teacher: " What would be the outcome if a herbivore and an omnivore would reproduce?" 

 

Edited March 23, 2018 by jenny2017

[Scott]

Troll posts removed.  

 

[The manic]

2 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

That’s why I keep advocating for the right of schools to means-test applicants and qualify them for a position if they can demonstrate serious ability.

 

If an applicant can explain and diagram photosynthesis and balance a redox reaction on the whiteboard, that’s a science teacher and I don’t care if s/he has a degree or not.

 

If you can explain the difference between angular and linear velocity and can diagram vectors, you’re a math teacher regardless of what “qualifying” papers you may or may not be holding.

 

In short, I don’t care what school you went to 35 years ago. If you know your subject and you can teach, you should be hired.

I presume the explanations you refer to are all delivered in perfect Thai. If so so they would be working as, a, UN interpreter or corporate interpreter.. I note you make no reference to the needs or learning styles of the students. Regarding maths... Times have changed. Do you know how to code? 

[The manic]

1 hour ago, jenny2017 said:

Spot on! I had to watch quite a lot of demonstration lessons given by applicants who wanted a job at a primary school. There were times when I had to leave the room, it's not fun at all. 

 

  A question for a primary science teacher: " What would be the outcome if a herbivore and an omnivore would reproduce?" 

 

Did you ask and answer that question in Thai?  If I thought my kids we're being tested on the, basis of such stupid questions the teacher would be fired by the PTA. Einstein was, a brilliant physicist but not a good teacher. 

[The manic]

On 3/14/2018 at 5:27 PM, Donaldo said:

The authorities seem to have an obsession with foreigners. I am not an advocate for trying to circumvent the system, but all this has certainly put me off to go and live in Thailand. The fact that I can not adquire land, or do a job makes me already feel not welcome, without all the added aggravation. My Thai girlfriend who has been living and travelling for many years totally agrees with me and is more then critical with her countries attitude. We know so many Thai's who entered Europe on a tourist visa, with no intention to return. And those who have a legal status are treated exactly the same as the locals. They are certainly not referred to as Farangs. The latter might not be even ill intended, but leaves a nasty taste. Nor do they have to pay 10 times more to enter a museum or other attractions. If Thai's will climb out from under their "kala", they might start to understand that they better open up or will be stuck in the middle ages for a long time to come.

Privileged hi so girls with entitled boy friends who won't marry them do have different opinions.  so she, ain't coming back and you are not coming here. no loss. Go and live in Bradford 

[The manic]

On 3/9/2018 at 8:49 AM, H1w4yR1da said:

"Surachet - the deputy commissioner for the tourist police."

 

And people still think the Tourist Police are there to assist tourists ..... they're there to POLICE the tourists. To make sure they don't cause trouble.

Back I the day they helped tourists... Not now. 

[The manic]

2 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

Spot on! I had to watch quite a lot of demonstration lessons given by applicants who wanted a job at a primary school. There were times when I had to leave the room, it's not fun at all. 

 

  A question for a primary science teacher: " What would be the outcome if a herbivore and an omnivore would reproduce?" 

 

May I politely ask when was, the last time you gave a demonstration lesson that was peer reviewed by colleagues and students and managers. You are talking irrelevant gibberish of no use to modern learners. 

[jenny2017]

1 minute ago, The manic said:

May I politely ask when was, the last time you gave a demonstration lesson that was peer reviewed by colleagues and students and managers. You are talking irrelevant gibberish of no use to modern learners. 

My science question was a funny example of how to test an applicant applying for a science teaching position at a Thai primary school how much he/she knows about science.

 

There are applicants who don't even know what a herbivore is, holding a BA of science in biology. It wasn't about students at all. 

 

[ukrules]

5 hours ago, jenny2017 said:

A question for a primary science teacher: " What would be the outcome if a herbivore and an omnivore would reproduce?"

More mosquitos ?

[attrayant]

6 hours ago, The manic said:

I presume the explanations you refer to are all delivered in perfect Thai. If so so they would be working as, a, UN interpreter or corporate interpreter.. I note you make no reference to the needs or learning styles of the students.

You seemed to miss that we're talking about screening teaching applicants who can teach in English, so how does Thai language enter into it?  And what does coding have to do with interviewing/qualifying applicants? 

 

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Regarding maths... Times have changed. Do you know how to code? 

 

Now I am getting interview questions.  I am not actually applying for a job by posting in this thread.  If the school's curriculum has coding in the math subject, then the applicant should be tested on that too.

[phetpeter]

The subjects format may change, what should be seen is can you as the teacher change? Can you sit down read up a subject, and then walk into a classroom and pass that knowledge on to different groups of student while taking into account the groups abilities, and in ways that help the students retain the information you are giving them? You may well be able to handle a scooter to get to work, and you have the basic knowledge to jump on 750 cc sports bike and make it move, But without restudying and updating your knowledge on it and the effect of conditions to use it, you are likely to come off sooner rather than later!