ISPs Or Subscriptions Without Connection Resets?

[Temp]

Hello

Does anyone know about any ISPs that offer plans without connection resets at regular intervals? I guess a leased line does not have resets, but a little bit to expensive.:-) Maybe there are some SDSL plans or something out there. Not so easy to find this info on the ISPs homepages so if anyone know anything I would appreciate it. A really stupid policy I think that really puts more load on the network maybe I think.

[sabajja]

The connection resets are not made on purpose (i think), it's the lousy

infrastructure and cabling, together with voltage current fluctuations

that's causing it.

Badly shielded cables are prone to disturbances from all kinds of sources,

Nearby cellphone towers, electrical equipment etc etc.

Just go out and have a look at the nearest telephone pole and you know what i mean.

Wouldn't surprise me either, if it's caused by connecting more users than the D-slam can carry.

For instance, if a one D-slam box can carry 40 connections, they put 60 subscribers onto it.

If all 60 are using simultaneously, dropouts would be the logical result.

Either of the above, mixed in with a little incompetence from the ADSL technicians, and you got a recipy.

For Torrent downloaders perhaps it doesn't matter that much (re connects quickly), But Emule and other p2p appz, are almost useless if you line drops

often.

[PMK]

I can't imagine an ISP guarantying no interruptions in service but they rarely happen on my Jasmine accounts other than in bad weather. (http:\\www.ji-net.com). Whenever I have inquired about why they are happening, they usually, but not always, blame it on TT&T. They don't reset my IP number - I might have the same number for weeks at a time.

BTW, I have the Compax account. I think with just about all the ISPs you have to look and inquire carefully about the different kinds of accounts they offer. A 512/256 connection can cost anything from 600 baht/month to 16,000. There is a reason for that.

Peter

Hello

Does anyone know about any ISPs that offer plans without connection resets at regular intervals? I guess a leased line does not have resets, but a little bit to expensive.:-) Maybe there are some SDSL plans or something out there. Not so easy to find this info on the ISPs homepages so if anyone know anything I would appreciate it. A really stupid policy I think that really puts more load on the network maybe I think.

[Guest Reimar]

No Resets means: Fixed or static IP!

It's normal for an leased Line to have a fixed or static IP.

The advantage is that you're able to run any kind of Web-Server which will be reachable from th Internet at any time! And that's exactly what the ISP's don't want because that is thems busines.

Take TRUE for example: 1 leased line 512 kbps up and down cost as little as Baht 36,000.00 per month! Compare to 2,560/512 kbsp 1,150.00 per month a very good business. and at "normal' the ISP has to guarant the speed for leased line! But not in Thailand: Not any ISP guarant the speed at minimum that speed as you paying for! TRUE is with 512 up and down maximum by 420 kbps up or down or both!

You can be sure, as more users online as mor often the IP will change. I running a Webserver on Dynamic IP and can see in the Logfile how often on the day the IP of TRUE is changing: between 4 to 16 times! To get this server up running and accessible from the Internet, I pay US$ 35 per year to No-Ip.com and that works fine for me. So, I can access all my Data at any time from any place where I am!

TRUE now offers fixed IP for private but that is starting for 64 kbps by Baht 2,000.00 per month! Who want to pay that? I don't want to pay for such lousy service!

Edited January 24, 2007 by Reimar

[Firefoxx]

True does reset their lines every 24 hours. It has nothing to do with line quality, and they've been doing it nearly as long as they have been offering ADSL (around a decade or so). It's a big big big major extreme pain in the arse. Whenever I want to do a continuous download, I have to manually reset the line myself first or else it will get interrupted and I have to restart. They gave the reason that it was for "accounting purposes" but that's bull. Their accounts are all unlimited, so there is no need for it. I believe that Jasmine also does the same thing if you use True lines, but that's probably because they're closely tied.

The web-server argument is also not very applicable. Other ISPs offer fixed-IP rates at only a little bit more than the normal dynamic IP, and practically no other ISP (other than True and Jasmine) do the connection reset.

I'm currently using Loxinfo's ADSL connection with fixed IP, and they don't reset their lines. Of course, the line quality is so freaking lousy that I'm lucky to get half a day of constant connection. Saturdays and Sundays I'm disconnected on a average of a dozen times per day. It's not fun. The speeds are absolutely totally terribly horribly abyssmally bad during the day. No, I am not exagerrating. I get around 1-10% of the real speed of my connection during workdays, but after 8pm or on weekdays, it's OK. Of course, on weekdays I get disconnected so often that it might as well not work. Yes, I've contacted their customer service, and the bottom line is that they won't do anything about it.

I'm seriously thinking of going back to True, but True has the nasty habit of being a game of roulette. Sometimes you get a line that has great speed, sometimes it's absolutely intolerable, and you're basically stuck with it. They also have the idiotic line reset, which they won't give up on. Add in their "monkeys for hire" customer service, and it's not very attractive. Really, I was with them since they first offered ADSL, I know what I'm talking about.

Not too long ago a 64k internet leased line cost 64k baht. Prices have come down, but are nowhere comparable to other countries if you take quality of service into consideration.

ADSL in Thailand sucks, period.

Edited January 24, 2007 by Firefoxx

[zzz9]

Just out of coriusity ..somebody can tell me what about the packages that TT&T sell for 9000/12000/20000/ a month??

does these lines stable compare to the 1000 baht package?

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[Guest Reimar]

The web-server argument is also not very applicable. Other ISPs offer fixed-IP rates at only a little bit more than the normal dynamic IP, and practically no other ISP (other than True and Jasmine) do the connection reset.

I'm currently using Loxinfo's ADSL connection with fixed IP, and they don't reset their lines.

Minimum Baht 2,000.00 a month for a lousy speed!

Of course, the line quality is so freaking lousy that I'm lucky to get half a day of constant connection. Saturdays and Sundays I'm disconnected on a average of a dozen times per day. It's not fun. The speeds are absolutely totally terribly horribly abyssmally bad during the day. No, I am not exagerrating. I get around 1-10% of the real speed of my connection during workdays, but after 8pm or on weekdays, it's OK. Of course, on weekdays I get disconnected so often that it might as well not work. Yes, I've contacted their customer service, and the bottom line is that they won't do anything about it.

Check the Website from CS-Loxinfo!! And CS-Loxinfo also block sometime the ports 21, 23 and 25 and was blocking port 80 by my former IP-Star connection as well and open only after choosing fixed IP! For additional Baht 800 per month!

You see, we doing hosting for some of our customers on thems place via Leased Line or on our place as well. over the past 7 year we've some experience with the different ISP's in Thailand and the mostly of this experiences are not good!! The only ISP which is trying to follow the contracts, which we know, is Samart. A bit more expensive than others but the service 24/7 is ok and by 1 customer they boost up the speed to a higher level to full fill the contract. TRUE or CS-Loxinfo? They don't mind if you suffer, even if you're a corporate customer!

May for private use a Web-Server isn't a argument but it is a big one for a corporate customer. Ok, may you pay "just a lttle" more but you loose speed and relibility in the same time.

The experiences I have with my own Web-Server on Dynamic IP with No-IP are good. It also doesn't matter if the ISP blocks ports, I just use the alternate port function of No-IP and everything runs well! The only disadvantage is that I can't use my special Remote Control Software as on static IP, I loose a lot of connection speed but for file transfers or copies or other the speed is good!

[nikster]

True does reset their lines every 24 hours. It has nothing to do with line quality,

I am pretty happy with TOT - you might give it a try. There are outages but nothing terrible and if the line goes down on saturday 8pm they still fix it by 10. Considering the overall infrastructure, my guess is they are doing as well as they can.

I have frequent power outages too where I live, and TOT never goes down because of that - unless the power outage lasts over 8 hours or so but that rarely happens.

Lines out of Thailand are of course still slow, have terrible lag, and are currently good as useless because of the Taiwan thing.

Bittorrent works well with outages. For ftp I use FileZilla which automatically continues broken downloads and retries up to 99 times with an interval that you can set yourself. For HTTP downloads I don't have anything but I am sure there are programs out there that can cope with line outages.

Thanks for the warning about True, resetting the line on purpose really is a big no-no for me. Unacceptable.

Edited January 24, 2007 by nikster