6 hours ago, Opl said:

17 y.o and also too young to die

Obviously.

4 hours ago, Opl said:

"March For Our Lives Events Focused On Registering Young Voters. On Saturday as marches took place all over the country protesting gun violence, several groups were doing something they hoped would be more effective in changing the gun laws than just marching:  they were registering voters"

https://www.politicususa.com/2018/03/25/march-for-our-lives-events-focused-on-registering-young-voters.html

 

 

 

 

That, of course, was the whole point of the exercise.

Well, if all the students organized as a common voting block they could vote people out or in.  And if the senior citizens all organize as a common voting block, they could vote people out or in.  And the same thing for any other group of peoples, be they engineers, or Christians, or Government employees or whatever. But the same likes and dislikes are rarely the same across all the different groups.  I bet a lot of those students have parents that love guns.  Gee, kids and parents disagreeing on an issue.  Nothing new there.  I would bet a lot that most of those students are not registered voters

 

 

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Trump's mistake: Choosing golf club over America's children

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While we didn't hear from Trump regarding the rally, the White House did issue a statement offering support: "We applaud the many courageous young Americans exercising their First Amendment rights today," it read, adding, "Keeping our children safe is a top priority of the President's." 

But if keeping our children's safe was truly Trump's "top priority," why did he play golf instead of attend?

As the article goes on to say, If Trump would have attended and spoke, sure there would have been some boo's but there would also have been lots of cheers. He could have captured the momentum of these young adults and turned it firmly to his advantage. Now because Trump is terrified that people might boo him he is left with a very bad situation.

 

No doubt in the morning he will tweet about Stormy Daniels, yet he has not made one tweet about the extraordinary effort displayed by these students across the nation. ...Sad!

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/03/25/opinions/trump-golf-march-for-our-lives-opinion-obeidallah/index.html

 

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Delaney Tarr, one of the student survivors from Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, put it best: "This is not a publicity stunt, a single day in the span of history. This is a movement relying on the persistence and passion of its people." She added a line that Trump and other politicians ignore at their own peril, "We will take action every day, in every way, until they simply cannot ignore us anymore." 

And come Election Day 2018 and 2019 and when Trump runs for re-election in 2020, these young people (hopefully) will be putting into action the words of a chant that was heard numerous times at the rallies: "Vote them out! Vote them out!"

 

Edited March 26, 20188 yr by Andaman Al

20 hours ago, farcanell said:

Stupid is as stupid does.

 

they are asking their representatives in government, and their dear leader, to make changes, or risk a voter backlash.

 

nothing to do with denying due process... although I’m pretty sure that the intelligent people, seeking change, will be fully aware that change must be via due process

Very true and it's time the supporters of the gun lobby stopped quoting an out of date constitutional law which no longer serves the purpose it was originally introduced, in fact is serving exactly the opposite purpose, allowing law abiding American citizens to be slain.

LOLGOP (@LOLGOP)

3/25/18, 8:38 PM

Conservatives are just mad that kids who had to watch their friends killed at school are almost as angry as Tea Partiers who had see a black president.

Off-topic posts removed.  

It seems this may be having a negative effect on gun manufacturers:

 

U.S. gunmaker Remington files for bankruptcy

By Tom Hals and Jessica DiNapoli,Reuters 25 minutes ago

 

In this Thursday, March 1, 2018, photo the Remington name is seen etched on a model 870 shotgun at Duke's Sport Shop in New Castle, Pa. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)

By Tom Hals and Jessica DiNapoli

(Reuters) - Remington Outdoor Co Inc [FREDM.UL], one of the largest U.S. makers of firearms, filed for bankruptcy protection on Sunday to carry out a debt-cutting deal with creditors amid mounting public pressure for greater gun control.

The company's chief financial officer, Stephen Jackson, said in court papers that Remington's sales fell significantly in the year before its bankruptcy, and that the company was having difficulty meeting requirements from its lenders.

Remington, America's oldest gunmaker, announced in February it would reduce its $950 million debtload in a deal that will transfer control of the company to creditors.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunmaker-remington-files-bankruptcy-024501891--sector.html

The vast majority of American's support some form of gun control. A recent Quinnipiac poll showed 97% support tougher legislation, and that also includes gun owners. 83% supported a mandatory waiting period on all gun purchases... It's the politicians who are receiving NRA money who are standing in the way.

 

It's the NRA and those same bought politicians who are attacking these kids. Guys like Rick Santorum who suggested these kids should go out and learn CPR instead of hoping on others to solve their problems... Yes the same Rick Santorum who has taken six figures from the NRA. That's a common theme.

49 minutes ago, Credo said:

Remington, America's oldest gunmaker, announced in February it would reduce its $950 million debtload in a deal that will transfer control of the company to creditors.

 

Another "successful" model of a company probably under the ownership of people like Trump. 950 Million dollars in debt !!! How do you get there and how do the lenders allow it to happen?

 

45 minutes ago, jcsmith said:

The vast majority of American's support some form of gun control. A recent Quinnipiac poll showed 97% support tougher legislation, and that also includes gun owners. 83% supported a mandatory waiting period on all gun purchases... It's the politicians who are receiving NRA money who are standing in the way.

 

It's the NRA and those same bought politicians who are attacking these kids. Guys like Rick Santorum who suggested these kids should go out and learn CPR instead of hoping on others to solve their problems... Yes the same Rick Santorum who has taken six figures from the NRA. That's a common theme.

This is the Irony. The NRA and the Government need to see that the world is changing and US society is changing. If they would just act in accordance with peoples wishes and just instigate some sensible robust Gun controls like proper background checks and registration of all weapons it would appease the masses. It would show that they recognise that action is needed to do something about the gun violence issue. By behaving like the stubborn donkey the masses will get angry and as a result they will call for far more extreme measures to be carried out. There are no gun control measures I can think of that are currently being proposed that would affect any law abiding gun owning citizen.

6 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Well, if all the students organized as a common voting block they could vote people out or in.  And if the senior citizens all organize as a common voting block, they could vote people out or in.  And the same thing for any other group of peoples, be they engineers, or Christians, or Government employees or whatever. But the same likes and dislikes are rarely the same across all the different groups.  I bet a lot of those students have parents that love guns.  Gee, kids and parents disagreeing on an issue.  Nothing new there.  I would bet a lot that most of those students are not registered voters

 

Perhaps many of those students are not old enough to vote YET.

 

Does that mean that their views should be ignored in favour of rich weapons companies and the NRA?

 

Some students will NEVER be old enough to vote as they have been slaughtered by maniacs using automatic weapons.

16 hours ago, Thakkar said:

Doesn’t change the validity of the message. If you wish to know how serious they and their movement are, visit their website faq: 

https://marchforourlives.com/faq/

Soooo, they are "serious" about gun ownership, which won't make an iota of difference next time someone wants to shoot up a school, but where are the mass marches against pollution which is actually killing everyone, or on the wars that the US carries out in foreign climes?

IMO this movement will go the same way as the 70s "summer of love". 

Edited March 26, 20188 yr by thaibeachlovers

36 minutes ago, Andaman Al said:

The NRA and the Government need to see that the world is changing and US society is changing. If they would just act in accordance with peoples wishes and just instigate some sensible robust Gun controls like proper background checks and registration of all weapons it would appease the masses.

Far as I know the NRA is carrying out the "wishes" of it's members. It's not obliged to take into account the "wishes" of non members.

Also, the NRA is not able to make laws, so it's not up to it to "instigate some sensible robust Gun controls". 

The voters control who gets elected, so the movement should be trying to elect people that will pass laws they like. They can march all they like, but as long as their parents keep electing the same people, nothing is going to change.

2 hours ago, Credo said:

It seems this may be having a negative effect on gun manufacturers:

 

U.S. gunmaker Remington files for bankruptcy

By Tom Hals and Jessica DiNapoli,Reuters 25 minutes ago

 

In this Thursday, March 1, 2018, photo the Remington name is seen etched on a model 870 shotgun at Duke's Sport Shop in New Castle, Pa. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)

By Tom Hals and Jessica DiNapoli

(Reuters) - Remington Outdoor Co Inc [FREDM.UL], one of the largest U.S. makers of firearms, filed for bankruptcy protection on Sunday to carry out a debt-cutting deal with creditors amid mounting public pressure for greater gun control.

The company's chief financial officer, Stephen Jackson, said in court papers that Remington's sales fell significantly in the year before its bankruptcy, and that the company was having difficulty meeting requirements from its lenders.

Remington, America's oldest gunmaker, announced in February it would reduce its $950 million debtload in a deal that will transfer control of the company to creditors.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunmaker-remington-files-bankruptcy-024501891--sector.html

 

Excerpt from your shared link above : " After a Remington Bushmaster rifle was used in the Sandy Hook elementary school shooting in Connecticut in 2012 that killed 20 children and six adults, Cerberus tried unsuccessfully to sell Remington, then known as Freedom Group"

And yet 69% of NRA members want stricter controls...

 

NRA seems to carry out the wishes of its members the same way congress carries out the wishes of the populace.

Edited March 26, 20188 yr by mikebike
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In Texas, You Can Vote With a Concealed Handgun License—but not a Student ID

https://newrepublic.com/article/119900/texas-voter-id-allows-handgun-licenses-not-student-ids

6 minutes ago, mikebike said:

And yet 69% of NRA members want stricter controls...

 

NRA seems to carry out the wishes of its members the same way congress carries out the wishes of the populace.

Exactly. The main motivation for the NRA is money (gun industry PROFITS) and the main motivation of the politicians that get successfully lobbied by the NRA (democrats and republicans) is again, money. The collective membership of the NRA is more reasonable than the leadership because most of the members are not industry players. 

The NRA is NOT a democracy!

Edited March 26, 20188 yr by Jingthing

On 3/25/2018 at 2:18 PM, Jingthing said:

I'm going to go there because I'm an adult. 

This protest is not only about school shootings.

It's about comprehensive gun control, an issue that all civilized Americans support. 

No, it doesn't mean an Australian solution because that's impossible. But there is still an awful lot that can and should be done, for example comprehensive background checks (which no backbone "trump" was for until he he met with the NRA and was against) and for Christ's sake also for gun show and online sales! That loophole is OUTRAGEOUS.

Anyway, the student protest movement is rather refreshingly NON-PARTISAN. They are correct to feel that such common sense civilized comprehensive gun control reforms should not be partisan, should not be blue vs. red.

But guess what, folks, and they will learn it to.

It is!

These students have a brilliant and potentially very effective tactic and the NRA is running scared now.

Register young people massively and get out the vote!

With gun control a key issue, this wonderful movement has pledged to have TOWN HALLS and invite candidates to attend. If they refuse to attend -- DUMP THEM! If they do attend and they don't meet the CLEAR AGENDA of this movement (REAL GUN CONTROL) the word will be out -- DUMP THEM and support another candidate of whatever party that does.

He's where my adult comes in. 

99 percent of time the candidate they are going to support on gun control issues is going to be a DEMOCRAT or in rare cases another small party but definitely NOT a republican. 

Very senior Senator Feinstein of California (hardly from the far left) has launched a bill with about 30 co-sponsers now to ban automatic weapons.

There is not even ONE republican that will join in that or probably vote for it if it ever came to a vote at all, a decision which the "trump" republicans control in the senate.

That's what I'm talking about.

The students are idealistic and that's great. They aren't tying their movement to a party, but get real ... the republicans will continue to be WORTHLESS on their issues.

I'm sorry for them that their movement will need to grow up soon and abandon their non-partisan ideals. But they will. There is no choice if they're serious about their issues. 

 

To add, this young woman Emma Gonzalez has a bright future in politics if she wants that, and trust me, if she goes there, it will NOT be as a freakin' "trump" republican!!!!!

 

 

 

Oh how I agree. Maybe politicians will finally realize the voters are "their boss" but NRA/big business/ lobbyists bribe them for their vote. Well maybe if enough of them are "fired" they'll stand up for their constituents. 

 

I wonder how many know that most Americans DO NOT... let me repeat that DO NOT own guns. So again the NRA and a/b 3% of Americans are screaming for the blood bath to continue.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/nov/15/the-gun-numbers-just-3-of-american-adults-own-a-collective-133m-firearms

 

22 hours ago, Opl said:

Donnie doesn't even allow a penknife at his ritzy golf courses. lol lol lol What hypocrites.

3 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Soooo, they are "serious" about gun ownership, which won't make an iota of difference next time someone wants to shoot up a school, but where are the mass marches against pollution which is actually killing everyone, or on the wars that the US carries out in foreign climes?

IMO this movement will go the same way as the 70s "summer of love". 

 

These kids are proposing one action to solve one problem. The notion that we can’t do everything, so we should do nothing is soul-destroying. If we give in to that kind of despair, we might as well all just curl up and wait to die.

 

And besides, once they’re organized, who’s to say they won’t take on other issues in the course of time?

 

We don’t know how successful they will be. Perhaps not at all. But I’m optimistic for the following reasons:

 

Never after past shootings has there been this much attention to the issue, or such a huge rally.

 

The midterms are only eight months away.

 

The NRA bought and paid for legislators (mostly republican, with some democrats) up for election are already precarious in their positions, even in gerrymandered districts. This movement, coming at this time, puts another thumb on the scale against them.

 

The movement has very specific, legally-defensible and majority-supported demands.

 

They have sufficient funding, both from grassroots small donations and committed high-profile donors.

 

The kids heading up this movement are very media savvy.

 

We should all hope that they succeed, and, from that springboard, effect other positive changes.

 

I remember how quickly the marriage equality debate shifted, once a certain moment had been reached. I believe that the gun issue has achieved a similar kind of escape velocity.

12 hours ago, gk10002000 said:

Well, if all the students organized as a common voting block they could vote people out or in.  And if the senior citizens all organize as a common voting block, they could vote people out or in.  And the same thing for any other group of peoples, be they engineers, or Christians, or Government employees or whatever. But the same likes and dislikes are rarely the same across all the different groups.  I bet a lot of those students have parents that love guns.  Gee, kids and parents disagreeing on an issue.  Nothing new there.  I would bet a lot that most of those students are not registered voters

A voting block of engineers! Wow; that's got me thinking! The stuff that could be done ?

7 hours ago, Credo said:

It seems this may be having a negative effect on gun manufacturers:

 

U.S. gunmaker Remington files for bankruptcy

By Tom Hals and Jessica DiNapoli,Reuters 25 minutes ago

 

In this Thursday, March 1, 2018, photo the Remington name is seen etched on a model 870 shotgun at Duke's Sport Shop in New Castle, Pa. (AP Photo/Keith Srakocic)

By Tom Hals and Jessica DiNapoli

(Reuters) - Remington Outdoor Co Inc [FREDM.UL], one of the largest U.S. makers of firearms, filed for bankruptcy protection on Sunday to carry out a debt-cutting deal with creditors amid mounting public pressure for greater gun control.

The company's chief financial officer, Stephen Jackson, said in court papers that Remington's sales fell significantly in the year before its bankruptcy, and that the company was having difficulty meeting requirements from its lenders.

Remington, America's oldest gunmaker, announced in February it would reduce its $950 million debtload in a deal that will transfer control of the company to creditors.

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/gunmaker-remington-files-bankruptcy-024501891--sector.html

I thought they made electric shavers?

4 hours ago, Opl said:

In Texas, You Can Vote With a Concealed Handgun License—but not a Student ID

https://newrepublic.com/article/119900/texas-voter-id-allows-handgun-licenses-not-student-ids

?

These people ARE mad

 

http://www.wideopenspaces.com/best-home-defense-shotguns/

6 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

Perhaps many of those students are not old enough to vote YET.

 

Does that mean that their views should be ignored in favour of rich weapons companies and the NRA?

 

Some students will NEVER be old enough to vote as they have been slaughtered by maniacs using automatic weapons.

Your question about being ignored is a ridiculous leap of generalization, and irrational thought, making up nutty extrapolations

1 hour ago, gk10002000 said:

Your question about being ignored is a ridiculous leap of generalization, and irrational thought, making up nutty extrapolations

 

So explain to us all you genius thinking.

 

If they are not old enough to vote then the politicians WILL ignore them, unless you know better. If you do please explain it to us.

 

Quite a few of the protestors have children that were MURDERED and never had the chance to grow up.

 

Do you think that is right and fair?

12 hours ago, tigermoth said:

Very true and it's time the supporters of the gun lobby stopped quoting an out of date constitutional law which no longer serves the purpose it was originally introduced, in fact is serving exactly the opposite purpose, allowing law abiding American citizens to be slain.

Very true, but you can't ignore the law or simply wish the law were different; you have to change the law. That's easier said than done

16 hours ago, Opl said:

In Texas, You Can Vote With a Concealed Handgun License—but not a Student ID

https://newrepublic.com/article/119900/texas-voter-id-allows-handgun-licenses-not-student-ids

Humnnnn, maybe student ID's are very rare in Texas; unrecognizable to officials/politicians. 

37 minutes ago, mikebike said:

 

Stare at this picture for awhile and marvel at the determination on ALL those faces:

 

Edited March 27, 20188 yr by Thakkar