sammieuk1 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Thailand high speed nervous . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 i'd compare this to china's high-speed rail on hainan island. haikou station to lingshui is about the same distance, about 200 km with 6 stops. depending on how many stops are skipped, flight time 1:15 to 1:45. speeds up to 250 khm. trains stop max. 3 minutes per station. highly subsidized, 1st class 500 baht, 2nd class 400 baht. completely separate from local traffic. long sections, including the part thru haikou city is fully elevated. important note.......trains do NOT do 250 thru haikou. speed drops to 50-80 for a 20-km section. expect the entire route thru bangkok to the airport to be elevated and speed restricted. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janclaes47 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 27 minutes ago, theusedversion said: 1 hour ago, Pattaya46 said: Please learn to count. No way you can do 220 km in 45 minutes running at 250 km/h, and even far worse if you have to stop at 7 stations on the way ! It's only 120km from Suvarnabhumi and 165km from Don Mueang to Pattaya. Other than learn to count, it's obvious some have also learn to read, as it clearly says u-tapao to the capital in the OP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daveyh Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I can see a major tragedy brewing here if they are going to use the existing rail track albeit with new high speed rails. It crosses so many unmanned crossings from Utapo to Bangkok & if the signals/barriers fail to stop impatient motorcyclists from crossing during the warning of a train, approaching crossing at 250kph .......... hmmm! I can see real danger here until they get all the traffic laws enforced with heavy fines & jail terms, plus who is going to tackle the "mindset"of drivers? Driving responsibly here just doesn't happen. I don't think Thailand is ready for this. Safety barriers will need to be placed all along the track on both sides where it's possible for motorcycles to cross etc ........ not viable at all. An improved railway system would be more beneficial & definitely a mandatory speed limit. All this speed etc nonsense is a receipe for disaster ............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
natway09 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Build it BUT do NOT under any circumstances let the circus SRT run it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post AlQaholic Posted March 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) Great starting project for improving transport infrastructure in Thailand, hope it takes off. I'm sure it will be profitable as well. It has to be elevated of course, like the high-speed train systems in Malaysia. I was very impressed by Malaysia's train systems. Edited March 28, 2018 by AlQaholic 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8OA8 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, sandrabbit said: It's a hand drawn wish list map as it shows the final destination right in the city centre of Rayong, doubt they would get planning permission for that (would be nice though) as the previous plan was to have the station on the west side of the city near Map ta Phut. The land ownership in certain areas may have to change hands before any of the actual stops can be decided Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChouDoufu Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 minute ago, 8OA8 said: The land ownership in certain areas may have to change hands before any of the actual stops can be decided thus ensuring the profitability of the project. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sahibji Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Wiggy said: I hope the trains don't cross any roads. Most people around here can't see a train coming at 50kph, let alone 250. it will likely be above ground level Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acemaker Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, Xonax said: Submarines and high-speed trains!! When will they invest in proper waste and wastewater management, which is long overdue?? Dont forget Soi Dogs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerostar Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Why not have an under-sea high-speed rail tunnel between Pattaya and Huahin. To save money the public could be invited to help with the design.Sent from my SM-N915F using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbrit Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, jerry921 said: Not that familiar with the place names or the map - does this stop at either airport? Or would you have to get off this somewhere and take another train to get to the airport? (I get that they haven't exactly fixed the route let alone built it, but given the stops that the article listed) The map says stations at Don Meuang, Suvannabhumi, U-Tapao - all 3 airports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post joecoolfrog Posted March 28, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted March 28, 2018 I think most of us will have caught the high speed stairway to heaven before this scheme comes to fruition. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cranky Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Just saw it go past my window on the 14th floor, strong smell of bacon came followed it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Justfine Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 What's the hurry to visit Pattaya? I suppose it keeps the lower class tourists away from the better places and moves them on quickly. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peperobi Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 And another monument for someone who likes to be even in the next 100 years present in the people's mind! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pattayadon Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Reminds me of "The Simpson's" monorail episode! 555 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reargunnerph3 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 6 hours ago, Wiggy said: I hope the trains don't cross any roads. Most people around here can't see a train coming at 50kph, let alone 250. Just about to write the same thing, rail crossings will be a nightmare. Guaranteed to hit a bike, car, truck, bus or buffalo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CLW Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 A good idea. But why this sick obsession with high-speed railway? Okay, they don't mention a design speed in the article. And sometimes in previous news the writers have been confused and providing wrong information about this topic.A design speed of 160 km/h would be the most economical in terms of construction cost and rolling stock. And still fast enough to compete with road transport.I hope some good consulting company opens their eyes.But then it must be probably from the west which is highly unlikely... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandrabbit Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, CLW said: A good idea. But why this sick obsession with high-speed railway? Okay, they don't mention a design speed in the article. And sometimes in previous news the writers have been confused and providing wrong information about this topic. A design speed of 160 km/h would be the most economical in terms of construction cost and rolling stock. And still fast enough to compete with road transport. I hope some good consulting company opens their eyes. But then it must be probably from the west which is highly unlikely... I would be happy with a 'normal' speed dual track railway and actually invest in the infrastructure so it stops at Ban Phe, Klaeng, Chantaburi & Trat as well and was cheap enough for ordinary Thais to use so less people need to use the suicide buses. Edited March 28, 2018 by sandrabbit 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterquixote Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 You can not run that train for 300 bahts to Pattaya, 3000 baht and it would still run at a loss. The high speed trains on the east coast China run at a loss with millions of people. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 For it to keep its speed it will need to go through underpasses where there would normally be train crossings I trust the engineers are smart enough for this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
realenglish1 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 The cheaper way is to just build car overpasses so the trains can run under them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joskeshake Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 I hope he has a better time table like the one from Saturday and Sunday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saminoz Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Destiny1990 said: I like this idea. I find it as appealing as a Thai built and run nuclear power plant! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Pattaya46 said: Please learn to count. No way you can do 220 km in 45 minutes running at 250 km/h, and even far worse if you have to stop at 7 stations on the way ! Where do you get the 220 km from? its around 170 by road if I remember correctly. Not going to be a smooth journey whatever the distance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mike324 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 1 hour ago, akaika said: Laem Chebang port covers four tambons one in Bang Lamung district the other three in Sriracha district. Therefore, most people would consider the port to be "in Sriracha." The 'stops' question is still convoluted but even when they mention the number of stops, the list includes the terminals so this is not not part of the total time. And often there are trains that only make the main stops and trains that make all stops so the time could be actually correct for a 'ewer stop train' and this type of system is standard in any Asian country with high speed rail routes (Japan, Korea, China, Taiwan). Seems like most folks have never taken the high speed train. Like you said, high speed trains also divide routes - ones that makes all the stops, or ones that don't stop or only make one stop. The times are achievable. 21 minutes ago, peterquixote said: You can not run that train for 300 bahts to Pattaya, 3000 baht and it would still run at a loss. The high speed trains on the east coast China run at a loss with millions of people. There are only two bullet train lines that turn a profit in the world, one is in Japan, and one in France. There are countless number of others lines in those countries that are heavy in debt too. Even in China where it links two cities with a population of 20 million, it still does not generate any profit. The question is if they are building it to bullet train specs that can exceed 300 km/hr, or "high speed" specs that have max speed of 250km/hr. I believe the track system is very different and price wise is also very different. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fak119 Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 Aren't they forgetting the Bus- and Taxi mafia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bkkgriz Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 3 hours ago, Pattaya46 said: Please learn to count. No way you can do 220 km in 45 minutes running at 250 km/h, and even far worse if you have to stop at 7 stations on the way ! The train will be like a Bangkok bus. It doesn't stop. You have to jump on and off while it is at top speed. Silly farang. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ossy Posted March 28, 2018 Share Posted March 28, 2018 2 hours ago, Xonax said: Submarines and high-speed trains!! When will they invest in proper waste and wastewater management, which is long overdue?? It's to be hoped they'll have waste-water management on the HS trains . . . and the subs, too, of course . . . yuchhh, the mind boggles. But I can't help thinking this is one of the many projects that the junta have been keen to airbrush themselves with, knowing that they won't need to do anything too committing or disastrous before election day, i.e. before 2020. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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