What did the company do wrong? And who on Thai visa is qualified to know this as fact?  OK so Thailand's legislation may be different to that of the west, and well lets face it "morals" are Christian based system of ethics, this is a Bhuddist country, tolerance is considered one of the highest virtues, and trying to make individuals or organisations lose face is considered to be the wrong side of tolerance. My concern more than anything else is Andy's apparent lack of comprehension of the situation he was creating for himself, by trying to "expose" what he and his western NGO deem unacceptable by their own standards. But who are they to try and impose those standards on others? Barring forced slave labour in chains, surely all free people living in a free world should be able to make their own decisions, where, who and how much they work for?

To sin by silence, when we should protest, makes cowards out of men. Ella Wheeler

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3 hours ago, colinneil said:

Once again Thailand is made to look stupid, arrest warrant for a man who highlighted big companies greed/ abuse.

When ohh when are those supposedly running the country realize they are making Thailand a laughing stock?

Wrong here and wrong in the US where we see “ whistleblowers” also condemned. More difficult to get a court conviction like this one but certainly the government is complicit in protecting corporate interests.

3 hours ago, Thailand said:

There are laws here in Thailand that appear to be designed to protect the guilty and put the innocent at risk. 

It's called the loadsa money law

Andy was in a position to make a difference and that is exactly what he did

 

 

Thailand  overestimates how much the west is willing to put up with, they are on a watch list probably a notch above Cambodia and Myanmar which is a serious slight on a country that claims to be "hubs" in the region, they are a hub of nothing - have done nothing and when you dig really deep are probably the most corrupt in the region............they are just experts at hiding it.

 

Has Thailand got its own brand car ?

Has Thailand got its own brand mobile phone ?

Has Thailand got its own brand anything ?

NO...................why ?

 

Because of corruption, Thailand has not been allowed to develop like other countries in the region, money that should have been going to infrastructure education and development has been going straight into pockets as those in control enrich themselves, elected governments or otherwise .... makes no difference - the whole lot of them are thieving from the people 

 

it is time that the west stood up to the sweat shops and abuse that we all know goes on - India - China_ Thailand and many more.....................   

4 hours ago, Justfine said:

Yes ruined his own future.

he is a hero

1 hour ago, rufanuf said:

What did the company do wrong? And who on Thai visa is qualified to know this as fact? 

right now definitely not you

 

go read about it

1 hour ago, rufanuf said:

What did the company do wrong? And who on Thai visa is qualified to know this as fact?  OK so Thailand's legislation may be different to that of the west, and well lets face it "morals" are Christian based system of ethics, this is a Bhuddist country, tolerance is considered one of the highest virtues, and trying to make individuals or organisations lose face is considered to be the wrong side of tolerance. My concern more than anything else is Andy's apparent lack of comprehension of the situation he was creating for himself, by trying to "expose" what he and his western NGO deem unacceptable by their own standards. But who are they to try and impose those standards on others? Barring forced slave labour in chains, surely all free people living in a free world should be able to make their own decisions, where, who and how much they work for?

This must be one of the dumbest posts, I have read in a long time!

So the oh-so-Buddhist-values make slave labor okay?!

The exploitation of the absolutely-have-nots by some greedy company/

Where is their understanding of "Buddhist values"?

Tolerance?

Towards companies, that make money by exploitation and give NOTHING back to society?

 

"unacceptable by their own standards"?

So, to you, I guess, this is all good and fine?

 

TV's finest at work again!

Wow...just ...wow!

4 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

A criminal conviction for highlighting the activities of criminals.

Yep - but try getting a conviction for a criminal in Thailand.....no chance!

1 hour ago, hansnl said:

Not only in Thailand, I assure you.

Just have a good look into laws on the books in your own country.

You will be surprised.

I certainly was in my country.

You said the same thing yesterday on the conscription thread. I guess you think you can’t criticize something as long as it happens somewhere else. 

 

I remember when I was a kid. I threw an eraser into the back of someone’s head at school. My teacher shouted at me and I tried to justify my behavior by saying, “but, teacher. I saw so-and-so do it as well”. This enraged my teacher and he said, “I don’t care what so-and-do did. I’m talking to you now!”. Seems my logic got me into more trouble. That was one of many lessons that taught me that I am responsible for my own actions. As are other people. 

 

“Whataboutism”. Look up its definition. 

4 hours ago, Justfine said:

"migrant worker rights activist. "

 

Hmmmm

 

What part of 'migrant worker rights activist' do you have problems with?

 

 

22 minutes ago, smedly said:

Because of corruption, Thailand has not been allowed to develop like other countries in the region, money that should have been going to infrastructure education and development has been going straight into pockets as those in control enrich themselves, elected governments or otherwise .... makes no difference - the whole lot of them are thieving from the people 

Perhaps a few too many coups eh?

Typical leftist liberal. The law only applies to everyone else in their view, they think they are above the law.

7 minutes ago, seancbk said:

 

What part of 'migrant worker rights activist' do you have problems with?

 

 

The guy Cleary has to much time on his hands. He should get a real job

3 hours ago, Thechook said:

Good luck getting extradition on a person who exposed human rights violations.

Imagine the international laughter if Prayut alerts Interpol of a Red Notice on Hall.

1 hour ago, OmarZaid said:

My take is that if Thais don't do it, ex-pats should just buzz off . . . we are guests . . .

Thai nationals have been activists e.g. human rights and environmental issues. More than a few have been murdered for their efforts; some examples...

 

http://www.nationmultimedia.com/news/breakingnews/30301017

5 hours ago, Justfine said:

Yes ruined his own future.

A Rights Activists future in Thailand ? You have got to be kidding me.

Theatre of Absurd Thailand. According to Andy's Facebook page, he was never officially summoned back. This is all for show. They gave Andy his passport back, and an opportunity to leave Thailand unpunished long ago. Now Thailand thumps its chest with an arrest warrant. Laughable if it weren't so sad. Good luck Andy Hall! Egg on your face, Thailand.

This is with many Andy Halls , all over the globe and especially in corrupted countries where media and oppositions are controlled and reduced to speakerphones that inch by inch, day by day, the world is progressing or at least does not become an intolerable jungle

Have Thai courts ever been pro human rights or for real justice?

https://www.finnwatch.org/en/news/542-thai-court-orders-immediate-issuance-of-arrest-warrant-for-andy-hall

 

Bangkok South Criminal Court today ordered for the immediate issuance of an arrest warrant for Andy Hall with a view to ensuring Hall’s attendance in the court to hear a verdict of the Appeals Court on multiple appeals against his September 2016 criminal conviction.

Diplomats from the EU Mission to Thailand alongside UK, Finnish and Swedish embassy officials and officials from OHCHR and ICJ attended today’s hearing alongside Hall’s legal defence team, a source at the Court informed Finnwatch.

The court was originally expected to read the appeals verdict today but the hearing on the appeal was instead adjourned until 31st May 2018 given Hall did not attend the court in person. 
 

Edited April 25, 20188 yr by metisdead
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1 hour ago, rufanuf said:

What did the company do wrong? And who on Thai visa is qualified to know this as fact?  OK so Thailand's legislation may be different to that of the west, and well lets face it "morals" are Christian based system of ethics, this is a Bhuddist country, tolerance is considered one of the highest virtues, and trying to make individuals or organisations lose face is considered to be the wrong side of tolerance. My concern more than anything else is Andy's apparent lack of comprehension of the situation he was creating for himself, by trying to "expose" what he and his western NGO deem unacceptable by their own standards. But who are they to try and impose those standards on others? Barring forced slave labour in chains, surely all free people living in a free world should be able to make their own decisions, where, who and how much they work for?

You aren't free if you don't have a choice, poverty restricts choice and allows you to be taken advantage off, Thailand knows that very well as does indeed every other country and large companies, it was the reason trade unions were formed, it caused revolution and the rise of communism. Humanity fails to realize that greed not only causes grieve to millions it is also, in the end, the downfall of the greedy. We should be grateful that some are prepared to risk freedom and in some cases their lives to expose greed and corruption.

As Obomsawin a red Indian from the Abenaki tribe once said:-

"When the last tree has been cut down,the last fish caught,the last river poisoned only then will the white man realize that he cannot eat gold."

 

We need more people to repeat that. 

50 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Perhaps a few too many coups eh?

corruption is at the center of all of it - elected governments steal from the people until it becomes intolerable then the people take to the streets and eventually the army has to intervene to restore peace and the cycle goes on and on - all of it caused by serious corruption that continues unabated 

Edited April 25, 20188 yr by smedly

All thats said has been said, Thailand knows that the Andy Halls of this world have been here before and will crop up again, bad publicity isn't something they like, someone mentioned T3, they wouldn't like that...................... 

5 hours ago, Thechook said:

Thailand is trying to convince the world it is working on human rights but all the world sees is Thailand arresting and incarceration those that speak out against violations.  The abusers walk free and those trying to help are locked up.

As long as the big boys are lining their back pockets, nothing will change here, its the way of life here in the LOS.

Stay where you are, mate. These people are after you in so many ways!

Nothing so crass as human rights.

37 minutes ago, soalbundy said:

You aren't free if you don't have a choice, poverty restricts choice and allows you to be taken advantage off, Thailand knows that very well as does indeed every other country and large companies, it was the reason trade unions were formed, it caused revolution and the rise of communism. Humanity fails to realize that greed not only causes grieve to millions it is also, in the end, the downfall of the greedy. We should be grateful that some are prepared to risk freedom and in some cases their lives to expose greed and corruption.

As Obomsawin a red Indian from the Abenaki tribe once said:-

"When the last tree has been cut down,the last fish caught,the last river poisoned only then will the white man realize that he cannot eat gold."

 

We need more people to repeat that. 

Well it least this a proper reply to my point.

 

Unfortunately the west itself CANNOT claim to have the moral high ground in judegment relating such ideals. After all as someone rightly points out..."whose drinking their juice". If "they" are such menace to society?

 

Whats more funding for NGOs is likely one of the most corrupted areas of government finance on the planet!

 

 

4 hours ago, jacko45k said:

Yes ruined his own future.

In Thailand yes, big deal, he must be devastated.   

4 hours ago, alfalfa19 said:

by telling the truth, I reckon.  sometimes not a good idea in thailand. 

As many people has seen before before him

6 hours ago, stephen tracy said:

A criminal conviction for highlighting the activities of criminals.

AKA 'shoot the messenger' (beloved of some Thai authorities).