Old wood stain.....Thai version

[cheeryble]

Hi 

 

We just built walls for our prospective house (yes Crossy it IS happening haha)

 

The one wall has panels of quite nice chunky old wood we had.

 

The wife wanted to paint the wall in emulsion and paint the panels in oil paint.

I said it needs three coats and as soon as it starts weathering it will need stripping and another x coats ......EVERY x years.

 

I suggested some simple dark stain so when it weathers you just slap a bit more on .....nice and quick.

 

She started looking at lacquers, and having spent years of my life varnishing my boat I again said no, again needs stripping etc, either use a non-hardening oil or water based stain.

Of course these are available in fancy cans at fancy prices.

 

The Thais use stuff on old houses which i think is oil based and there;'s a bunch of powder colour in it which needs stirring up well.

It comes in a shiny large square can and is cheap.

There may also be a version.....not shellac, maybe spirit based....... which comes in the 40 baht bottles.

 

I can't find the stuff and wonder if anyone knows the name or could send a pic of a can or bottle.

 

ps: The builders already made a blunder by not staining the whole wood sections before they went in the wall, but that's probably because wife said paint.

 

pps: the redder version would do and is very common here. The dark colour I'd prefer if poss.

 

 

Edited April 26, 2018 by cheeryble

[VocalNeal]

A380?

[cheeryble]

While we're here

 

I would be happy enough, certainly until after the house is built, to just have simple render finish on the walls with no paint and just stained wood panels.

But as always the wife has just got in touch to say painting is in the wall price (she's paying :)) and they want to do it tomorrow please can I just go out and buy the paint and stain and whatever ready to go.

JUST!!!

 

Well the chalet of the house, already built is pale cream with dark brown rim and oxblood roof.

So I either have to match that for all the new build and the wall.......or choose a new colour scheme completely and go over the (nearly new) paint on the chalet.

 

So the wife said dark grey for the wall.....I said that does NOT go with cream and dark brown chalet (and maybe house)

 

The chalet has a fair roof overhang so maybe a darker colour would be OK for all.

There are some nice rather contemporary dark colour pairs I've seen to make a two tone wall.

Any ideas anyone?

 

ps also concerned that the other plain render 2 metre walls......about 95 metres of them already built......alaso have to match. I certainly have no mind to waste money painting them....about 400m2!!

 

pps IF I hadn't been rushed about this wall I think just some nice decorative tiles embedded in the render, just here and there, would have looked far nicer than paint.

[cheeryble]

13 minutes ago, VocalNeal said:

A380?

IS my brain slow today?

[VocalNeal]

Must be? 

 

[cheeryble]

The old fashioned Thai stuff is A380?

 

ps just sent wife pics of simple ivory crackle glaze tiles embedded in wall suggesting it can look nicer than paint.

 

She AGREES!

 

Course they should have gone in in minutes when the rendering was happening.

Now will need tile shapes angle ground and dug out of walls.

Edited April 26, 2018 by cheeryble

[VocalNeal]

17 hours ago, cheeryble said:

The old fashioned Thai stuff is A380?

If you type A380 into google instead of Thai Visa you will find it. But now you are going tiled it was all a waste of time? 

[VocalNeal]

15 minutes ago, Arjen said:

Sounds strange, but an old Thai style to color (and preserve!!) wood is a mixture from old (used) engine oil mixed with diesel. The diesel is to dilute it, so it is easier to apply.

 

I have no idea about health issues (it does not sound to healthy) the bad smell diappears in a few hour. Even after years, when the wood gets wet, the water runs off, without the wood absorbing water.

 

It gives a nice dark color.

We have a teak house from over 50 years old, and every 4-5 year we apply this mixture on the outside walls. 

 

Arjen.

555 I like it.

[cheeryble]

2 hours ago, Arjen said:

Sounds strange, but an old Thai style to color (and preserve!!) wood is a mixture from old (used) engine oil mixed with diesel. The diesel is to dilute it, so it is easier to apply.

 

I have no idea about health issues (it does not sound to healthy) the bad smell diappears in a few hour. Even after years, when the wood gets wet, the water runs off, without the wood absorbing water.

 

It gives a nice dark color.

We have a teak house from over 50 years old, and every 4-5 year we apply this mixture on the outside walls. 

 

Arjen.

very interesting Arjen

 

I had thought of engine oil as my dad used to use it in England, but the diesel sounds like a useful addition.

I still haven't found the stuff I know exists, but in fact it's a rather red colour normally and I'd prefer dark brown.

I don't know how efficacious Dad's stuff was but the fact you've actually been using it sounds good.

Last night I found an old can of chaindrite which i could chuck in the mix too.

Another thing it's possible to buy three powder colours....shades of dark brown/red ochre and yellow ochre if i remember.....which furniture makers and parquet guys use to make stains and filler. Maybe chuck some dark brown in.

I'm gonna try it I think.

If only the panels had been stained before going up, it's all going to have to be cut in and try to stop runs down the wall. May be difficult. Great example of lack of forethought.

Any brainwaves to stop the runs? I don't think masking tape will do it on a wall rendered with coarse sand.

 

I'm guessing quite a small amount of diesel would do the trick? 

 

Maybe I should go in the business :)

 

thanks!

Edited April 27, 2018 by cheeryble

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2 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

If you type A380 into google instead of Thai Visa you will find it. But now you are going tiled it was all a waste of time? 

A ha! never knew that one.

 

looks like they sell it at Suksawad too.

Dare say they sell the coloured powders there too, great shop.

 

I just went down and I think I don't have to cut the tiles INTO the render......I shall try one at the far end simply stuck onto the wall then a fill around the unglazed edges with cement based filler.

 

As for not painting......well not for now, but have to stain wood.....trouble is they've left render cement mix marks on the wood panels and it would take a damned long time to sand it off I tried it.....with forethought could have been wiped off easily when wet....such is life.

So I'll make up some stain next week and if I make it dark enough maybe it will disguise any remaining cement residue.

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1 hour ago, Arjen said:

My guess is you can also use new engine oil, has maybe a better (or, not such a bad smell) but that you have to buy, while old engine oil is very cheap available.

 

Yes we just add a so much diesel that it is easy to apply. Probably 10-15% diesel (estimated guess) You can also use petrol, but then smoking is a bit dangerous.... On this mixture you can kill a cigaret on the wood (I do not smoke) 

 

I did an other test, once you have set this wood on fire, it is nearly impossible to kill the fire..... You can submerse it, and when you take it out the water it burns again. But the wood lasts, and it looks great.

 

I am sure in my home country not allowed for many reasons....

 

Arjen.

Good stuff!

 

I remember all those decades ago sump oil always looked black.

Sure it wasn't good for the engine but great if u need a dark fence!