webfact Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Police seek extradition of former abbot applying for asylum in Germany By Thai PBS Thai police have sought an extradition of former assistant abbot of Wat Sampanthawong Phra Prommethi who is reported to be seeking political asylum in Germany, Deputy Prime Minister Gen Prawit Wongsuwan said on Monday. He said national police chief Pol Gen Chakthip Chaijinda, has followed the required procedure to seek the extradition of the former monk but admitted that the process was stalled. He said he didn’t know the reason behind the delay since Thai police have followed all necessary steps in accordance with the law. Full story: http://englishnews.thaipbs.or.th/police-seek-extradition-former-abbot-applying-asylum-germany/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2018-06-18 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AGareth2 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 does Thailand have an extradition treaty with Germany? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post beano2274 Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) Says that they "followed all necessary steps in accordance with the law" whose law, theirs or Germanys? have the documents been sent, as the rule is The request for extradition must be presented to the German court within 40 days from the date of arrest (Article 16 para 4 of the CoE Convention on Extradition) Also have they read this Standard procedure: If the person sought does not consent to his extradition, the Higher Regional Court has to decide if the extradition is to be allowed. Then the extradition has to be granted by the Federal Office of Justice with the consent of the Foreign Office and other Ministry whose portfolio would be affected. Not an easy task as German Bureacracy is horrendous!!!! Also if the person requires Medical treatment then the German Courts will not allow Extradition due to the fact that good medical treatment might not be available in the prison, this happened in 2016 when Thailand tried to extradite someone from Germany. Edited June 18, 2018 by beano2274 7 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post colinneil Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 Thai police seek extradition, should the silly bar stewards not have been better doing that before 13 spongers went off on an expenses paid jolly? 6 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Vacuum Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 5 minutes ago, colinneil said: Thai police seek extradition, should the silly bar stewards not have been better doing that before 13 spongers went off on an expenses paid jolly? And miss a paid vacation? 2 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 43 minutes ago, webfact said: He said he didn’t know the reason behind the delay since Thai police have followed all necessary steps in accordance with the law. Your application has to be compliant with GERMAN law, not Thai law, you dummies! 6 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Cadbury Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 25 minutes ago, colinneil said: Thai police seek extradition, should the silly bar stewards not have been better doing that before 13 spongers went off on an expenses paid jolly? Don't be too negative. There has been one positive out of all this. They are making Thailand's leadership appear as complete and utter fools; not only on the domestic scene but on the international stage as well. The loss of face must be galling for one certain individual. They have collectively made a complete stuff-up of the operation. When Mr. Grumpy returns home from the UK some heads are sure to roll, with one notable exception, that being the ugly head of buffoon Prawit, the man in charge. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nikmar Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 no problems with translation then. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sammieuk1 Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 Did the blinged up soft lad not say 3 days now looking like 3 years what a Time for your face to fall off in full public glare. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Briggsy Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 Which Thai ministry would be responsible for submitting a formal extradition request? (I don't believe one has been submitted - they are always claiming to have submitted extradition requests when they actually haven't) I would have thought it would not come directly from the Thai Police. It may be dealt with by the Foreign Ministry and / or the Interior Ministry. Not sure why the press are asking the National Police Chief unless they have been sent there by Prawit. Sounds like Prawit and Chakthip are playing a game of pass the [unwanted] parcel with this case. It's all downside for them. They don't know how to get him back, they can't get him back, they won't get him back, it all costs time and money for no result but neither of them wants to admit to failure, accept blame for failure or admit they can't do it so they try to push it away by claiming to have done everything possible (they haven't) and saying it will all be sorted out soon (it won't). 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post JAG Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 He doesn't know why the process is stalled? Possibly because the deputy prime minister in charge of the whole business is a General who obtained the post as the result of a military coup? That often stalls extradition requests which are dealt with by the independant courts of democratic countries... 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scorecard Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 2 hours ago, Vacuum said: And miss a paid vacation? and shopping, there's always an extra day for shopping... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Misterwhisper Posted June 18, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted June 18, 2018 Here is the leaked extradition request. I have a hunch the Germans may not heed it. To Germany Government.pdf 3 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curlylekan Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 But is there really a delay? Didn't we read about a week ago that the German authorities told them the process could take up to 2 months? I do like how someone mentioned an independent German court has to look into it. So long as the Thai government followed all procedure, it's just a waiting game, the process has not been stalled, as far as I understand. Upo to 2 months = up to 2 months, not in 3 days like you want. Governments all over the world, want what they want right then and there, but can't give others the same - example of the guy who posted about his waiting time of 5-7 years to become a thai citizen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kandi Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, AGareth2 said: does Thailand have an extradition treaty with Germany? No, they don't. I guess not fleeing to the US or the UK, who both do have an extradition treaty with Thailand, was a smart move. However, under the principle of reciprocity in extradition, requests for extradition may be made by states which have no treaty of extradition with Thailand. But these states must clearly express a commitment to grant extradition of fugitives required by Thailand in a similar manner when requested. This being the case, extradition requests will usually be considered from states with no formal treaty on an ad hoc basis. Edited June 18, 2018 by kandi Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorG Posted June 18, 2018 Share Posted June 18, 2018 It is my understanding that the asylum case would first need to be settled before consideration could be given to the extradition. Perhaps the Thais could present a case at the asylum hearing. I do not know if this is possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Cadbury said: Don't be too negative. There has been one positive out of all this. They are making Thailand's leadership appear as complete and utter fools; not only on the domestic scene but on the international stage as well. The loss of face must be galling for one certain individual. They have collectively made a complete stuff-up of the operation. When Mr. Grumpy returns home from the UK some heads are sure to roll, with one notable exception, that being the ugly head of buffoon Prawit, the man in charge. I'm not certain if the leadership realise that - are they that worldly-wise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Amazing. Just amazing. These yoyos are just unbelievable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 42 minutes ago, bluesofa said: I'm not certain if the leadership realise that - are they that worldly-wise? I'm not at all sure they understand it either. Surely if they did, they'd keep their mouths shut? Instead, they seem addicted to making a laughing stock of themselves and the country. A day's just not complete until they've made someone else laugh at Thailand... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiwiKiwi Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: Here is the leaked extradition request. I have a hunch the Germans may not heed it. To Germany Government.pdf Pshaww, that's not genuine. It's too long and the English is too good. That won't fool anyone... Edited June 19, 2018 by KiwiKiwi 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinneil Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 16 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: Here is the leaked extradition request. I have a hunch the Germans may not heed it. To Germany Government.pdf Misterwhisper, priceless mate bloody priceless, best laugh today. Good thing i am cathered or i would have peed myself 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluesofa Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 8 minutes ago, KiwiKiwi said: 16 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: Here is the leaked extradition request. I have a hunch the Germans may not heed it. To Germany Government.pdf Pshaww, that's not genuine. It's too long and the English is too good. That won't fool anyone... Good job they probably can't spell 'defamation' too - haha! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolgeoff Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 asking germany to send him back,yet brother and sister and they know where they are not on the list to send them back or detain them for them to be collected.this is thailand i suppose 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggles45 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 As JAG said earlier, will anycountry with a democratic government and respected court system send some one back to a military dictatorship? Britain wouldn't. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Belzybob Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The obvious answer is to call in General 'Joke'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Telly Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 17 hours ago, Misterwhisper said: Here is the leaked extradition request. I have a hunch the Germans may not heed it. To Germany Government.pdf what about the first demand... sorry.. memo to the Germany Gimme ze monk You hab 3 days 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Swift Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 He's been spotted shopping in New York City with Yingluck and Thaksin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonathan Swift Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 18 hours ago, curlylekan said: But is there really a delay? Didn't we read about a week ago that the German authorities told them the process could take up to 2 months? I do like how someone mentioned an independent German court has to look into it. So long as the Thai government followed all procedure, it's just a waiting game, the process has not been stalled, as far as I understand. Upo to 2 months = up to 2 months, not in 3 days like you want. Governments all over the world, want what they want right then and there, but can't give others the same - example of the guy who posted about his waiting time of 5-7 years to become a thai citizen. His request for asylum will add a lot more delay time while it is considered. It puts the extradition request on hold until decided. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johng Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Amazing. Just amazing. These yoyos are just unbelievable."Now look at them yo-yo's that's the way you do itYou capture monks on the MTVThat ain't workin' that's the way you do itMoney for nothin' and chicks for free"[emoji15] [emoji1] 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 21 hours ago, colinneil said: Thai police seek extradition, should the silly bar stewards not have been better doing that before 13 spongers went off on an expenses paid jolly? That would involve knowing the procedures first, thinking, planning and coming up with a logical process. Not something that usually happens! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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