Denied Entry Both Border and Airport

[FarangTraveler]

16 hours ago, BritTim said:

Did you get a copy of this "expulsion form"? Did they put a stamp in your passport indicating deportation?

Yes they gave me a copy and the stamp in my passport basically says my reason for being denied. But whether it says deportation or not, I don't know. That's mainly what I'm asking here. Was I deported or is denial different? I think that's what is up for debate and I'm not sure if any of us on here truly know.

 

The form definitely says expulsion on it multiple times. The passport stamp is in Thai and I had a Thai friend translate. She said it says that I was denied for staying in Thailand for 6 months on Tourist visas. It's a stamp with a space where they write notes and that's what he wrote in there for the reason.

 

I typed out what the letter says:

A Legal Notice to the Aliens
Subject: Notification of the Expulsion: (My name)
By virtue of the provisions under Sections 19, 22 and 54 of the Immigration ACT, B.E. 2522 the Immigration Authorities taking the opportunity to notify you that:
-You are prohibited from entering the Kingdom or an alien who staying in the Kingdom without the permission as required by the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522, Section 12 () () or Section 54, Section 81, or Section 82 for.........
You shall be expelled from the Kingdom of Thailand in accordance with the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522.
You must be resided at_______________always, and be ready fo the expulsion which shall be set up by the authorities at any moment. Any offense, evasion, escaping or leaving the premise without permission is forbidden.
Objection to this action may be done by making an appeal to the Minister of Interior or to the Immigration Commission. Such appeal must be submitted within 48 hours after this legal notice has been received. The aliens who are prohibited from entering the Kingdom of Thaland under Section (1) or (10) are not allow to appeal.

_________________ (Immigration Officer's signature)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Backside of Paper)

Acknowledgement of the Expulsion Order

The legal notice number ________________________ dated _____________ subjected the notifaction of expulsion has been received on at____minutes. The notification is clearly understood.

Signature of Receiver _______________ (My signature)

 

Edited July 19, 2018 by FarangTraveler

[BritTim]

17 minutes ago, FarangTraveler said:

Yes they gave me a copy and the stamp in my passport basically says my reason for being denied. But whether it says deportation or not, I don't know. That's mainly what I'm asking here. Was I deported or is denial different? I think that's what is up for debate and I'm not sure if any of us on here truly know.

 

The form definitely says expulsion on it multiple times. The passport stamp is in Thai and I had a Thai friend translate. She said it says that I was denied for staying in Thailand for 6 months on Tourist visa. It's a stamp with a space where they write notes and that's what he wrote in there for the reason.

Could you please post a copy of this form, and the stamp in your passport, blanking out your passport number, and any other personally identifiable information.

[FarangTraveler]

14 hours ago, BritTim said:

Could you please post a copy of this form, and the stamp in your passport, blanking out your passport number, and any other personally identifiable information.

I'd rather not. They both have writing all over them that can be identified by the person that wrote them. Not trying to be identified myself if they comb these boards. Just know this happened and I'm trying to help others to get a clearer picture. You have all the information you need. That's what it says. A picture won't change that.

 

If anybody knows how I can appeal through the Interior of Ministry, please let me know. I have about 12 hours or so to do so and can't find anything about appeals in Google or on their website. I wonder if the 48 hours was set up to prevent you from basically making an appeal as it could take longer than that just to figure out how.

I think this does count as a deportation, despite both Aranyaprathet officers telling me to go to Siem Reap and try to fly in. This website about Thai deportation lists some of the legal clauses that were mentioned in this letter ?
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-deportation-of-the-aliens-sections-53-56/

Edited July 19, 2018 by FarangTraveler

[lkv]

 

1 hour ago, FarangTraveler said:

Just know this happened and I'm trying to help others to get a clearer picture. You have all the information you need. That's what it says. A picture won't change that.

 

 

Welcome to the ThaiVisa forum as a fresh member for 19 hours.

 

We are glad you took the time to prevent us.

 

Now that we are prevented, we'd like to thank you for your input.

Edited July 19, 2018 by lkv

[FarangTraveler]

15 hours ago, lkv said:

 

Welcome to the ThaiVisa forum as a fresh member for 19 hours.

 

We are glad you took the time to prevent us.

 

Now that we are prevented, we'd like to thank you for your input.

Not relevant at all. I've been here since 2006 under other nicks (so now we can deviate and change this whole conversation into the usual off topic where the regs start casting doubt on the newbie and questioning if he's a troll when he has no reason to troll. I know how this forum operates so let's not go there.)

I know the real reason why he's asking for that and it's because he doubts what I said (great, now we've deviated, as usual). Nothing else is accomplished by him seeing what I already said it says. I typed what it says word for word. There's no other reason for me to sit here and take all these pics and load them into microsoft paint and edit out every signature and date and time stamp just to appease his request. It says what I said it says and I typed it word for word. I am not a liar and I care enough for people to have the full scoop so I typed every single thing it says carefully. So what else is there to see? The white on the paper? I assure you, the paper is white.

Edited July 19, 2018 by FarangTraveler

[Gulfsailor]

3 hours ago, FarangTraveler said:

I'd rather not. They both have writing all over them that can be identified by the person that wrote them. Not trying to be identified myself if they comb these boards. Just know this happened and I'm trying to help others to get a clearer picture. You have all the information you need. That's what it says. A picture won't change that.

 

If anybody knows how I can appeal through the Interior of Ministry, please let me know. I have about 12 hours or so to do so and can't find anything about appeals in Google or on their website. I wonder if the 48 hours was set up to prevent you from basically making an appeal as it could take longer than that just to figure out how.

I think this does count as a deportation, despite both Aranyaprathet officers telling me to go to Siem Reap and try to fly in. This website about Thai deportation lists some of the legal clauses that were mentioned in this letter ?
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-deportation-of-the-aliens-sections-53-56/

Some info on the appeals process here;

good luck!

[FarangTraveler]

Thank you so much Gulfsailor! Very useful as well as that person's story.

[phuketrichard]

9 hours ago, FarangTraveler said:

Yes they gave me a copy and the stamp in my passport basically says my reason for being denied. But whether it says deportation or not, I don't know. That's mainly what I'm asking here. Was I deported or is denial different? I think that's what is up for debate and I'm not sure if any of us on here truly know.

 

The form definitely says expulsion on it multiple times. The passport stamp is in Thai and I had a Thai friend translate. She said it says that I was denied for staying in Thailand for 6 months on Tourist visas. It's a stamp with a space where they write notes and that's what he wrote in there for the reason.

 

I typed out what the letter says:

A Legal Notice to the Aliens
Subject: Notification of the Expulsion: (My name)
By virtue of the provisions under Sections 19, 22 and 54 of the Immigration ACT, B.E. 2522 the Immigration Authorities taking the opportunity to notify you that:
-You are prohibited from entering the Kingdom or an alien who staying in the Kingdom without the permission as required by the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522, Section 12 () () or Section 54, Section 81, or Section 82 for.........
You shall be expelled from the Kingdom of Thailand in accordance with the Immigration Act, B.E. 2522.
You must be resided at_______________always, and be ready fo the expulsion which shall be set up by the authorities at any moment. Any offense, evasion, escaping or leaving the premise without permission is forbidden.
Objection to this action may be done by making an appeal to the Minister of Interior or to the Immigration Commission. Such appeal must be submitted within 48 hours after this legal notice has been received. The aliens who are prohibited from entering the Kingdom of Thaland under Section (1) or (10) are not allow to appeal.

_________________ (Immigration Officer's signature)
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Backside of Paper)

Acknowledgement of the Expulsion Order

The legal notice number ________________________ dated _____________ subjected the notifaction of expulsion has been received on at____minutes. The notification is clearly understood.

Signature of Receiver _______________ (My signature)

 

says my reason for being denied

so staying for 6 months on a tourist visa ( 2 of them>?)

there MUST be lots more to this story,i know lots of people traveling that get 3,4,5 back to back tourist visas with no problem by using different embassies,

Eve Phnom Pehn will issue 3 in a row

 which border?

 

You may consider me a skeptic, but new posters always raise suspicion ..

Edited July 20, 2018 by phuketrichard

[FarangTraveler]

14 hours ago, phuketrichard said:

says my reason for being denied

so staying for 6 months on a tourist visa ( 2 of them>?)

there MUST be lots more to this story,i know lots of people traveling that get 3,4,5 back to back tourist visas with no problem by using different embassies,

Eve Phnom Pehn will issue 3 in a row

 which border?

 

You may consider me a skeptic, but new posters always raise suspicion ..

 

I know at least 15 people that have been doing back to back tourist visas for upwards of a year. One of them got a red warning stamp from Vientiane saying they will issue one more but this would be the last so he recently switched to a retirement visa. There's not much more to this story. I wasn't denied a tourist visa, I was denied entry on a Visa on Arrival after 2 back to back tourist visas. Had I gone to Phnom Penh to apply for a Tourist visa, or had I gone to Laos just for a Visa on Arrival, then chances are I would not be having this problem. Everybody I know is shocked that this happened to me because many of them have been in country longer than I was and have not had problems because they have mostly avoided Poi Pet. I am really kicking myself right now for choosing to do a crossing at this particular place and I feel that this is the only reason this happened.

 

I said that my situation was identical to the original poster's situation (KC) as she said she was denied for lack of funds as well. I did not have that much cash on me or proof of an onward ticket, which the guy asked for. He basically said that since I stayed in Thailand 6 months on two back to back Tourist Visa's, I would now need to have 10,000 baht on me and proof of an onward ticket. I said I would have to go to an ATM and buy the ticket online. He told me to stay one night in Poi Pet, then come back the next day and try again but "there will be a different officer here tomorrow and it's at their discretion".  I returned the next day with cash in hand (over 33,000 baht on me) and onward ticket, and was denied entry again now as the officer just kept repeating "I don't believe you. You say you want to visit Thailand but why you not go home to USA. Why you stay in Thailand so long. You belong in USA. That is your home." It just simply came down to how they felt at that moment. She called the airline to verify my ticket out of the country was valid, then still denied me. I don't even know why she verified that. It was almost like they were more interested in trying to catch me in a lie than maybe giving me then maybe giving me the benefit of the doubt (hey kinda like some regs here right?). There didn't seem to be any reasoning with them and I have a feeling even if I had the money and the onward ticket on the first day, the first man may have asked for some other requirement I couldn't fulfill. There was a Filipino guy in front of me who had also been in Thailand for some time and they were telling him the exact same thing. Both of them kept mentioning that I should just go to Siem Reap and fly in to Bangkok "You should not have a problem then, go fly".

 

So let's not keep playing this game where someone posts something just to get information out there, then all the regs on here start casting doubt on that person's story. You're suspicious of me. Ok. I'll accept that. But I'm not here to explain myself to you guys or to be judged. I'm simply giving my account for others to find when they google information about the Poi Pet border, in order to warn them. If you don't believe it, then so be it. I'm not here for you. Hopefully what happened to me will prevent others from making this mistake of crossing at the Poi Pet border.

 

I think next people on here will start asking if I'm the hippie type. I'm a clean cut American guy and I've seen people often ask on here if something happened due to someone looking like Khao San hippies. I was neatly dressed and shaven and polite and friendly. They just seem intent on not allowing anyone to cross here and the requirements and expectations seem to vary depending on which officer you get.

Now I am finished here. I have put my information out there and you have the full complete story. I don't have any more time for this game where people doubt what I say and I return to try to clarify for them. You know what happened. Pick this apart if you will but I will not respond again as you have everything you need to draw a picture of exactly what happened to me.

 

 

Edited July 20, 2018 by FarangTraveler

[stevenl]

10 hours ago, FarangTraveler said:

I'd rather not. They both have writing all over them that can be identified by the person that wrote them. Not trying to be identified myself if they comb these boards. Just know this happened and I'm trying to help others to get a clearer picture. You have all the information you need. That's what it says. A picture won't change that.

 

If anybody knows how I can appeal through the Interior of Ministry, please let me know. I have about 12 hours or so to do so and can't find anything about appeals in Google or on their website. I wonder if the 48 hours was set up to prevent you from basically making an appeal as it could take longer than that just to figure out how.

I think this does count as a deportation, despite both Aranyaprathet officers telling me to go to Siem Reap and try to fly in. This website about Thai deportation lists some of the legal clauses that were mentioned in this letter ?
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-deportation-of-the-aliens-sections-53-56/

If you want help, you have to post it here. I would not be afraid of individual immigration officers crawling the web for people they have denied entry, and jumping through hoops in order to identify and go after them.

[lkv]

2 hours ago, FarangTraveler said:

There's not much more to this story. I wasn't denied a tourist visa, I was denied entry on a Visa on Arrival after 2 back to back tourist visas.

 

All you had to do is tell us you have been denied at Poipet on a visa exempt, having tried your luck on a second in-out entry.

 

I am aware of a similar story, likely the same one, I have seen it posted on a Facebook visa forum on July 7th.

 

After seeing that story, I have immediately warned people again on this forum not to use Poipet for in-outs.

 

That story was credible in the sense that the guy posted his passport pic with the denial stamps and a copy of this so called "expulsion order". So I have seen all these pictures already.

 

So now that you have given more details, I believe what you are saying, but do understand we navigate through trolls all day long, we need to differentiate.

 

Edited July 20, 2018 by lkv

[BritTim]

If you were trying to enter visa exempt, forget about an appeal. Denial of a visa exempt entry is not appealable.

 

Giving you that deportation form was just to frighten you (as your passport stamp confirms) Denial of entry and deportation are not the same. How much did your Cambodian handler tell you it would cost to resolve the issue?

[lkv]

Having re-read that Facebook post I was reffering to, it seems a slightly different situation, because that person had an expired non B and then attempted two visa exempts at Poipet, the first one successful, the second one not. So it may be a different person but it's not relevant.

 

For the interest of the readers here, I will reattach the link. If one reads through the comments, one can locate copies of this "expulsion order".

 

https://m.facebook.com/groups/1395920320731833?view=permalink&id=2139139373076587

 

The moral is, Poipet is to be avoided for visa exempt entries.

Edited July 20, 2018 by lkv

[The manic]

On 6/28/2018 at 12:46 PM, elviajero said:

Visa exempt entry is not limited to ASEAN countries.

 

Filipinos qualify for visa exempt entry but all entries are at the discretion of the immigration officer. Young Filipinos have a high chance of being denied entry on the suspension of working because many do work illegally.

I thought ASEAN members could work in other ASEAN countries.  Same EU countries.  Otherwise what's the point? I have noticed a lot of Philippines people working here  now. Reception staff, bouncers, estate agents etc.

[ubonjoe]

14 minutes ago, The manic said:

I thought ASEAN members could work in other ASEAN countries.  Same EU countries.  Otherwise what's the point? I have noticed a lot of Philippines people working here  now. Reception staff, bouncers, estate agents etc.

Not correct. There is no provision in the AEC for most workers. There is one for certain highly skilled professions (such as doctors) but Thailand is now just now in the process of complying with it.

For those from Myanmar, Cambodia, Laos and Vietnam there is rules for migrant laborers here from those counties.

[elviajero]

18 hours ago, FarangTraveler said:

I'd rather not. They both have writing all over them that can be identified by the person that wrote them. Not trying to be identified myself if they comb these boards. Just know this happened and I'm trying to help others to get a clearer picture. You have all the information you need. That's what it says. A picture won't change that.

 

If anybody knows how I can appeal through the Interior of Ministry, please let me know. I have about 12 hours or so to do so and can't find anything about appeals in Google or on their website. I wonder if the 48 hours was set up to prevent you from basically making an appeal as it could take longer than that just to figure out how.

I think this does count as a deportation, despite both Aranyaprathet officers telling me to go to Siem Reap and try to fly in. This website about Thai deportation lists some of the legal clauses that were mentioned in this letter ?
http://library.siam-legal.com/thai-law/thai-immigration-act-deportation-of-the-aliens-sections-53-56/

Although you were technically deported you were not processed as being deported, but as being refused entry. You were not, based on your posts, formally deported. Formal deportation is usually only for people that have been found in the country illegally, and/or that have broken the law.

 

Having been denied entry does not prevent you from entering in the future, although any entry is subject to the decision IO at the border.

 

If you had been formally deported you would have paperwork specifically stating you were being deported and the reason for the deportation, and almost certainly have a stamp in your passport confirming the deportation. They would use the word deported.

 

 

[Tomtomtom69]

On 6/28/2018 at 12:16 PM, elviajero said:

Visa exempt entry is not limited to ASEAN countries.

 

Filipinos qualify for visa exempt entry but all entries are at the discretion of the immigration officer. Young Filipinos have a high chance of being denied entry on the suspension of working because many do work illegally. 

Correct.

 

At the Phu Nam Ron border, immigration has a deal with visa run companies to allow Lao and Vietnamese nationals back into Thailand every 30 days even though they have no work permits and are clearly working illegally (usually as domestic workers, karaoke staff and similar jobs). Hundreds of mostly Lao and smaller numbers of Vietnamese and Cambodians cross this border daily, mainly in the mornings. Vietnamese entering Thailand from Cambodia are questioned at length and could be denied entry, especially if traveling independently. Those entering from Myanmar are left alone. Different immigration offices, different treatment.

[Tomtomtom69]

On 7/12/2018 at 3:51 PM, phuketrichard said:

if ur paying 5,000 baht  have sucker written on you or ur using a non official crossing

 

There ONLY 4 official land crossings

1. Mae Sai / Tachilek
2. Mae Sot / Myawaddy

3. Ranong to Victoria Point 

4. Htee Kee to Phunaron 

 

I have used them all and NEVER been charged by thai immigration

It's Phu Nam Ron, not phunaron. Semantics maybe, but people won't be able to find it if it's spelled incorrectly.