SURVEY: Is Russia the enemy?

[Scott]

There has been the on-going investigations into election interference in the US and another case of poisoning in the UK which is being blamed on Russia.   In your opinion, which of the following best describes your opinion on Russia?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

 

[Bluespunk]

Insidious is invading a country under the pretence of a falsified nuclear weapons threat. 

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Insidious is invading a country under the pretence of a falsified nuclear weapons threat. 

 

Insidious is holding a referendum that has two options, break away your country and join ours or break away from your country and go it alone and be at the mercy of the country you could have joined to avoid a conflict.

[Bluespunk]

24 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Insidious is holding a referendum that has two options, break away your country and join ours or break away from your country and go it alone and be at the mercy of the country you could have joined to avoid a conflict.

I’m no fan of Russia but to accept the bs notion they alone are a danger to world peace is not going to fly. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Kieran00001]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

I’m no fan of Russia but to accept the bs notion they alone are a danger to world peace is not going to fly. 

 

Who is saying that they alone are a danger to world peace?  Never heard it, people are always talking about Iran, N.Korea, USA, Israel, UK, etc.  who is claiming that only Russia is a threat?

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Who is saying that they alone are a danger to world peace?  Never heard it, people are always talking about Iran, N.Korea, USA, Israel, UK, etc.  who is claiming that only Russia is a threat?

I see only one country referenced with the word “insidious”  in the survey. 

 

How many do you see?

Edited July 7, 2018 by Bluespunk

[Kieran00001]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I see only one country referenced with the word “insidious”  in the survey. 

 

How many do you see?

 

Where did you see world peace referenced?  And why when someone asks if you think Russia is an insidious threat to the West do you take that as being asked if they are the only threat?

[Jingthing]

It's a complex question.

 

Definitely the Putin regime is a vile enemy of democracy in Russia and globally and actively so, but so is the current U.S. president to a somewhat lesser degree. 

 

Also normally I would suggest being fair to separate a people from a regime leader, and even though Putin is definitely a dictator, there is strong evidence he also enjoys massive majority support of his people. So in this case, less so, for now the agenda of Putin and Russia are largely the SAME THING. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Jingthing

[Bluespunk]

41 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Where did you see world peace referenced?  And why when someone asks if you think Russia is an insidious threat to the West do you take that as being asked if they are the only threat?

My point is that there is more than one threat to world peace. 

 

I feel that Russia, vile regime that it is,  is not the only one. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Bluespunk

[nontabury]

There has definitely been a great deal of anti Russian sentiment in the U.K.media.

Justified or not, I do not know. However what I do know is, this negative publicity has resulted in fewer English supporters traveling to Russia for the World Cup. And from what we now know from those supporters who have actually travelled there, these scare stories where completely unwarranted.

As a Brit, I consider we only have two enemies, the hated E.U. and their treacherous supporters in the U.K.

[AlexRich]

Putin's main objective is to dismantle NATO and the western alliances ... and since he's managed to place a stooge in the White House he's been doing a very good job. Russia are the biggest threat to our safety ... and Trump is doing their bidding.

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, nontabury said:

There has definitely been a great deal of anti Russian sentiment in the U.K.media.

Justified or not, I do not know. However what I do know is, this negative publicity has resulted in fewer English supporters traveling to Russia for the World Cup. And from what we now know from those supporters who have actually travelled there, these scare stories where completely unwarranted.

As a Brit, I consider we only have two enemies, the hated E.U. and their treacherous supporters in the U.K.

I really don't think you can fairly judge the geopolitical situation from a friendly reception at a sporting tournament. It's in the Russian government's interest to present a happy face for that. In fact, they had courses in how to SMILE.

[AlexRich]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I really don't think you can fairly judge the geopolitical situation from a friendly reception at a sporting tournament. It's in the Russian government's interest to present a happy face for that. In fact, they had courses in how to SMILE.

 

Not only that, the organised thugs that rampaged through Europe have been told in no uncertain terms not to show up at this tournament ... so English fans are safe because Putin wants a propaganda victory. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by AlexRich

[Scott]

1 hour ago, Bluespunk said:

My point is that there is more than one threat to world peace. 

 

I feel that Russia, vile regime that it is,  is not the only one. 

But this thread is about Russia.  

[Bluespunk]

35 minutes ago, Scott said:

But this thread is about Russia.  

I understand that and I do not sympathise with the Russian regime. Their behaviour in the Crimea and their actions in the U.K. for example, show how untrustworthy putins regime is. 

 

However I just don’t see them as being alone in sharing responsibility for destabilising the world we live in. 

 

That is why I went with option 2. 

Edited July 7, 2018 by Bluespunk

[sirineou]

Russia is being run by an organised crime regime. Enough said.

[JHolmesJr]

you only have to see the current world cup with its excellent facilities, atmosphere and security to know that Russia rocks.

 

bet all the media lapdogs are bummed that they cant find a single flaw to poke fun of.

 

so its back to all the collusion crap.

[sirineou]

4 minutes ago, JHolmesJr said:

you only have to see the current world cup with its excellent facilities, atmosphere and security to know that Russia rocks.

 

bet all the media lapdogs are bummed that they cant find a single flaw to poke fun of.

 

so its back to all the collusion crap.

“Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety.”

― Benjamin Franklin

[bristolboy]

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

There has definitely been a great deal of anti Russian sentiment in the U.K.media.

Justified or not, I do not know. However what I do know is, this negative publicity has resulted in fewer English supporters traveling to Russia for the World Cup. And from what we now know from those supporters who have actually travelled there, these scare stories where completely unwarranted.

As a Brit, I consider we only have two enemies, the hated E.U. and their treacherous supporters in the U.K.

Which according to the referendum would mean that 48 percent of UK citizens are traitors. The UK is doomed.

[TumblinDice]

I would never trust a Russian. I'd <deleted> one or two or three, but I'd never trust one.

[ezzra]

Still trying to get my head around the fact that Russia is actively engage in war activities in Syria among it massive bombing campaign that kills hundreds and displaced millions of people,  using russian civilians as private contractors army of whom thousands have died and caused an uproar in Russia, and all that at the "invitation of the Syrian government" guise, and all the above is to protect their interests in the middle east....

[bristolboy]

Trump reportedly treats Putin like a 'confidant' and the 2 men commiserate about how the 'fake news' and 'deep state' are against them

President Donald Trump treats Russian President Vladimir Putin as a confidant while bullying and ignoring other world leaders.

Putin, meanwhile, is playing to Trump's strengths and weaknesses — the two men often commiserate over how the "fake news" and "deep state" are against them.

"It's not us," Putin reportedly told Trump during one recent conversation. "It's the subordinates fighting against our friendship."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/ahead-of-nato-and-putin-summits-trumps-unorthodox-diplomacy-rattles-allies/2018/07/06/16c7aa4e-7006-11e8-bd50-b80389a4e569_story.html?utm_term=.a600a998ad46

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

It's a complex question.

 

Definitely the Putin regime is a vile enemy of democracy in Russia and globally and actively so, but so is the current U.S. president to a somewhat lesser degree. 

 

Also normally I would suggest being fair to separate a people from a regime leader, and even though Putin is definitely a dictator, there is strong evidence he also enjoys massive majority support of his people. So in this case, less so, for now the agenda of Putin and Russia are largely the SAME THING. 

I’m not sure why you talk of threats to democracy from Outin and from Trump as if they are two separate threats,

[Chomper Higgot]

7 hours ago, nontabury said:

There has definitely been a great deal of anti Russian sentiment in the U.K.media.

Justified or not, I do not know. However what I do know is, this negative publicity has resulted in fewer English supporters traveling to Russia for the World Cup. And from what we now know from those supporters who have actually travelled there, these scare stories where completely unwarranted.

As a Brit, I consider we only have two enemies, the hated E.U. and their treacherous supporters in the U.K.

You judge Russia on the experience of football supporters and then identify the EU as hated, completely missing Russia’s open hostility and efforts to bring about the collapse of the EU.

 

Treacherous you say.

 

I say shrill.

[bristolboy]

5 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

you only have to see the current world cup with its excellent facilities, atmosphere and security to know that Russia rocks.

 

bet all the media lapdogs are bummed that they cant find a single flaw to poke fun of.

 

so its back to all the collusion crap.

I absolutely agree.

What better way to judge a nation than by how well it hosts a sporting event.

Just like those fantastic Berlin Olympics of 1936 showed the truth about Germany.

 

[Kieran00001]

8 hours ago, nontabury said:

There has definitely been a great deal of anti Russian sentiment in the U.K.media.

Justified or not, I do not know. However what I do know is, this negative publicity has resulted in fewer English supporters traveling to Russia for the World Cup. And from what we now know from those supporters who have actually travelled there, these scare stories where completely unwarranted.

As a Brit, I consider we only have two enemies, the hated E.U. and their treacherous supporters in the U.K.

 

Are you seriously saying that you consider half the population of the UK to be your enemy? 

[klauskunkel]

The enemy is not Russia. 

Enemies are any unscrupulous, selfish, corrupt leaders of countries who feel they are entitled to whatever they want and use any means to get it.

[Kieran00001]

6 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

you only have to see the current world cup with its excellent facilities, atmosphere and security to know that Russia rocks.

 

bet all the media lapdogs are bummed that they cant find a single flaw to poke fun of.

 

so its back to all the collusion crap.

 

No, YOU only had to see the worldcup to be convinced that Russia rocks, that was enough for YOU to ignore the fate of Crimea, to ignore the fate of the Syrians, to ignore the fact the Putin has is linked to over 300 murders, to ignore that Putin has sent over 100 people to Siberian labour camps for the crime of having opposing political views, because all YOU care about is football so that is enough for YOU to think that Russia rocks, oh to be a simpleton.

[Kieran00001]

6 hours ago, JHolmesJr said:

you only have to see the current world cup with its excellent facilities, atmosphere and security to know that Russia rocks.

 

bet all the media lapdogs are bummed that they cant find a single flaw to poke fun of.

 

so its back to all the collusion crap.

 

No, YOU only had to see the worldcup to be convinced that Russia rocks, that was enough for YOU to ignore the fate of Crimea, to ignore the fate of the Syrians, to ignore the fact the Putin has is linked to over 300 murders, to ignore that Putin has sent over 100 people to Siberian labour camps for the crime of having opposing political views, because all YOU care about is football so that is enough for YOU to think that Russia rocks, oh to be a simpleton.

[Kieran00001]

6 minutes ago, klauskunkel said:

The enemy is not Russia. 

Enemies are any unscrupulous, selfish, corrupt leaders of countries who feel they are entitled to whatever they want and use any means to get it.

 

Of course, but when a country is led by one of these leaders who is clearly the enemy, we say that that country is the enemy, always have done.