Australian doctor reveals how Wild Boars were sedated

[sanemax]

17 minutes ago, Aussie999 said:

Ketamine is used by medical practitioners and veterinarians as an anaesthetic, so NOT illegal, unless used by unlicensed people, so was not the reason for denying its use.              

 

Were the soldiers who administered the drug licensed to administer the drug?

Did the Aussie have a Thai licence ?

[greenchair]

Such a pity the ministry of culture and the psychiatrist have robbed these boys of their once in a lifetime moment of fame. By the time they have escaped the hospital prison and now the monestary, the media will have lost all interest. 

Once again thailand dropped the golden ball. It's nice that at least the divers are able to get some of the story out. 

 

[greenchair]

14 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Were the soldiers who administered the drug licensed to administer the drug?

Did the Aussie have a Thai licence ?

Part of their conditions for coming here is that they all had diplomatic immunity. There were papers signed before they even entered the cave, that they would not be responsible if any injuries occurred. It was organised by their respective governments. 

They were very well protected legally. 

[car720]

18 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The same stuff Thai cops regularly arrest party goers for here.

 

Interesting, a quick read says it was a common anesthetic used during the Vietnam War by U.S. battlefield military surgeons. And of course, it's also a common veterinary anesthetic.

 

 

so it was morphine then?

[Artisi]

59 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Were the soldiers who administered the drug licensed to administer the drug?

Did the Aussie have a Thai licence ?

Who cares, pedantic in the extreme 

[Thaidream]

Look at the interview clip that one of the poster's provided- it reveals several issues-

 

1.   The International and Thai team presented the plan to the Minister of the Interior and he approved it.

2.    The team actually practiced parts of the rescue at an unnamed Thai school in the area using Thai children as volunteers.

 

3.    The drug that was used to anesthetize the children was not named (and frankly doesn't matter)

4.    A major key to the rescue was the Australian doctor Harris who not only was an expert diver but a physician and anesthesiologist

5.  The actual rescue attempt was well planned and consisted of 150 people from several countries

 

The bottom line is that all 13 came out alive and basically unscathed  Co-operation and Teamwork-it works!!.

[sanemax]

50 minutes ago, Artisi said:

Who cares, pedantic in the extreme 

Legally, people could have been charged with manslaughter or some other legal technicality  , so , not "pedantic" at all .

   Had there been some fatalities , they families could have sued the unlicensed prople

  (I'MNot saying that they would have m , just people were covering themselves  for a worse case scenario )

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, greenchair said:

Part of their conditions for coming here is that they all had diplomatic immunity. There were papers signed before they even entered the cave, that they would not be responsible if any injuries occurred. It was organised by their respective governments. 

They were very well protected legally. 

The Thai soldiers administered the drugs in the cave , they wouldnt have been licencesed to do that

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, sanemax said:

Were the soldiers who administered the drug licensed to administer the drug?

Did the Aussie have a Thai licence ?

it was nto administered by soldiers.

 

it was administered by the Aussie doctor and then the rescue divers who brought the kids out. The Former has no Thai medical license and the latter have no medical licenses, period.

 

Hence the negotiation of immunity clause beforehand.

 

Desperate times, desperate measures.

[Sheryl]

A post in extremely bad taste has been removed along with reply quoting it.

[Artisi]

45 minutes ago, sanemax said:

The Thai soldiers administered the drugs in the cave , they wouldnt have been licencesed to do that

If they did,  so what - desperate times, what else would you suggest, a full medical team along with doctors, nurses and assistants stationed at each point when injections were due, and for all you know some of the divers stationed at each point may well have be qualified to give injections. 

And at the end of the day, it's all irrelevant - all were rescued in good condition. 

[revelstone]

6 hours ago, sanemax said:

Yes, but that wouldnt make it legal , laws need to be passed to make it legal .

Had the outcome not been successful , Prayrut could have faced manslaughter charges .

  Thailand has a history of prosecuting former leaders and Prayrut may have faced manslaughter charges once his leadership is over .

  

Section 44....anyway, usually the interior minister or health minister or prime minister can override these statutes temporarily as recently happened in the UK when the home secretary allowed the use of illegal cannabis oil to treat a severely epileptic kid. 

[revelstone]

5 hours ago, Proboscis said:

Nothing weird. No one cleared the precise nature of the evacuation with the PM and he took it upon himself to say what was going on.

 

As I mentioned in a previous post, declaring that someone is conscious in such a scenario does not make sense - they may or may not remember much of what happened in the evacuation. In the pic of the rescuerers around the patient in one of the links, one of the rescuers seems to be looking at a pulse-oximeter - something that you would expect. This device measures the pulse rate and the oxygen level in the blood of the patient. I would imagine that they also had resus bags and oxygen in small bottles (metal canisters) with them during the trip through the cave complex so that at each stage when they administered the anaesthetic they could check vitals and resuscitate if required. At the rate they rushed some of them to hospital, I would imagine they were resuscitating them at the end when they got out. For some of them, it must have been very touch and go. It would have been done against normal medical advice and standards - such anaesthetic would only be administered when there is a qualified person present, in a hospital with resus facilities and to a patient who has not been starved of food and oxygen in a cave in damp environment for weeks.

Two of the kids had pneumonia; probably one of the reasons for the use of ketamine, since it does not depress respiratory function

[Cake Monster]

It matters not which drug was used.

The effect of whatever drug was used, needed to sedate the lads and their Coach for the perilous trip out of the cave.

Dr. Harris you did a fantastic job, for which you should be very proud, as all the people got out and there were no casualties.

Thats all that really matters.

[sanemax]

1 hour ago, Artisi said:

If they did,  so what - desperate times, what else would you suggest, a full medical team along with doctors, nurses and assistants stationed at each point when injections were due, and for all you know some of the divers stationed at each point may well have be qualified to give injections. 

And at the end of the day, it's all irrelevant - all were rescued in good condition. 

I m not agreeing or disagreeing with anything , I am just suggesting as to why some people acted in the way that they did .

[sanemax]

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

 

 

2 hours ago, Sheryl said:

it was nto administered by soldiers.

it was administered by the Aussie doctor and then the rescue divers who brought the kids out. The Former has no Thai medical license and the latter have no medical licenses, period.

Yes, my point was that whoever administered the drugs didnt have a medical license , maybe I got confused between "rescue divers " and "Thai SEAL rescue divers/soldiers" .

[Artisi]

3 hours ago, Sheryl said:

it was nto administered by soldiers.

 

it was administered by the Aussie doctor and then the rescue divers who brought the kids out. The Former has no Thai medical license and the latter have no medical licenses, period.

 

Hence the negotiation of immunity clause beforehand.

 

Desperate times, desperate measures.

Not all that different than self injected insulin, no licence needed. 

[chama]

On 7/27/2018 at 7:58 AM, darksidedog said:

To be quite honest, I dont care what they used. It was a very dangerous situation, the divers thought it highly possible there would be some loss of life in the operation, but went for it anyway as all the other options were worse. The fact they got the whole lot out alive at all is testament to the skill, bravery and exceptional knowledge these guys had. That must have been a really hard thing to do. Drugging kids, knowing that anything could go wrong in the extraction and  that they might never wake up. They all deserve all the commendations they get.

And this comment cuts through all the BS and gets right to the core of the issue...a job well done. Everyone is out of the cave, out of the hospital and doing well. A job well thought out, well executed, and great outcome.

[Blue bruce]

if ketamine was used to calm the boys was is it still illegal in Thailand. Seems like ketamine works better than alcohol or yaba 

[RickBradford]

On 7/27/2018 at 6:24 PM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

So all that in the Thai PBS article, and they don't even mention what drug was used.

 

But, for some reason, the article keeps using the word "dangerous" drug over and over again.

 

Could it have been Michael Jackson's Propofol???

 

All anaesthetics are dangerous.

 

Consider what is being  done. A drug is being administered which KOs the central nervous system, but not enough to shut it down for ever. It's a delicate balance, which is why anaesthetists train for many years before becoming fully qualified.

 

Getting this right under such difficult conditions as Tham Luang presented is a considerable achievement.

 

As for the method of delivery, I think I'm right in saying that injection or inhalation are the only ways to do this; oral delivery is too uncertain.