UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[mommysboy]

Assuming Brexit goes ahead with the Chequers Deal, what exchange rate do people think we will get in Thailand? I'm working on about 37-40 baht to the pound!????

Edited October 29, 2018 by mommysboy

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

never mind a50,

what does the newly enacted law based on the a50 bill say?

 

is  it exit on 29 March for sure as retro mug says

or can it be changed as a50 allows for?

 

what does the UK act allow for?

 

try Google

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, mommysboy said:

Keep going- I'm sure you'll have it down to half a dozen before long.

No so fast! The Met top end estimate was 120k.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Brexiters should hope there is no second referendum; Paddy Power has Remain at 1/7 and leave at 4/1!

That must be for the Irish "little peoples" vote.

[melvinmelvin]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

try Google

right,

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/821124/Brexiteer-MP-Remainer-Gina-Miller-Brexit-Rees-Mogg

 

but since I was the only one reacting to this, 2 pages back, I assume this is just another piece of fake news then,

brexit on 29 March is not a given as r-mogg says

 

 

[vinny41]

45 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

right,

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/821124/Brexiteer-MP-Remainer-Gina-Miller-Brexit-Rees-Mogg

 

but since I was the only one reacting to this, 2 pages back, I assume this is just another piece of fake news then,

brexit on 29 March is not a given as r-mogg says

 

>

He does say ""There is no majority in Parliament to repeal that law."

so March 29th at 23:00 GMT is the date we leave the EU if there is no deal in place

[Patriot1066]

On 10/28/2018 at 10:01 PM, SheungWan said:

"...they all follow the same computer models which get proved wrong time and time again."  Amusing nonsense masquerading as insight.

But perfectly true and correct. 

[Patriot1066]

6 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Assuming Brexit goes ahead with the Chequers Deal, what exchange rate do people think we will get in Thailand? I'm working on about 37-40 baht to the pound!????

I'd rather get only 20 than be part of the EU. 

[Patriot1066]

4 hours ago, nauseus said:

No so fast! The Met top end estimate was 120k.

The Met  were trying to be optimistin to justify the policing costs. Most probably much less than 120 k as I understood they used EU accountants to work out how many attended. Plus all those blue flags and hats, with stars on take up so much space. Significantly in March they will be out of date when we leave as will have too many gold stars on. A bit like last years football strip. So they can be used as wipes to wash away the tears of defeat.

I can't really see the appeal of loving a foreign powers flag over your own, but hey they do. I guess in a democracy we have to accept these little. foibles people have and just smile.

[Patriot1066]

5 hours ago, nauseus said:

try Google

I did it check google, as you suggested, the bit I checked on the UKIP site said we were going to mint lots of celebration new coins to commemorate the great Brexit day where our country escapes the clutches of the EU. 

 

In fact I guess we can make millions of Brexit coins out of what we save, and they will go up in value as the EU implodes under the great mound of debt it has and the lack of effective accounting practices to see where the money we we give actually goes?

 

Just then maybee we can then reclaim what we spend on foreign aid at over 10 billion a year and spend it on our own poor, rather than propping up many third world dictators new private jets? Just a thought?

[Patriot1066]

15 hours ago, mommysboy said:

Ronald's trundling along:

 

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071?fbclid=IwAR2u5Bc-C7lZyejv6DFUUy_mS8L046rDUDF4MYhqI3fm2rkE1IVLhGWIG1Y

 

78,000 

78001 I just signed ????

[Patriot1066]

12 hours ago, Grouse said:

Gina Miller is a great bird!

 

Excellent article!

 

I'd vote for her; I'll bet she's a better dancer than May!!

 

What thought; anyone got a copy of The Exhange and Mart? ????????

She's certainly got odd views on democracy but your possibly on the button regarding her dancing May looks a rubbish dancer worse than me. Unfortunately mrs Millar is just yet another multi millionaire pushing a "people's vote". Not obviously a 'millionaires vote' no a 'people's vote' yes a 'people's vote' nothing to see here move on it's not a 'millionaires vote' it is definitely only a 'people's vote' not funded by er well millionaires like Gina Millar and that awful plumber guy.

[vinny41]

9 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

78001 I just signed ????

87,443 now

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071

[Patriot1066]

On 10/28/2018 at 9:41 PM, oilinki said:

Military is less than 2% of civilised countries budgets. That's the common complain by Trump for NATO partners. NATO partners are not spending enough to buy F-35 fighters and missile systems from USA.

 

Meanwhile Russia cries out because everyone wishes to be part of the Western union and nobody wishes to be part of Russian federation. We all know why.

 

Russia has not advanced as a country since 80's. Russia has a good potential if only Russia would gain a lot better president than the old GRU general is doing. 

 

Currently only thing what Russia is able to do, is to try to mess with the western world. This messing up and faking of being an enemy of the west doesn't work.

 

As friends, we would do much better. 

Russia is no friend to the UK. But Putin is much more popular than say Merkel?

[Patriot1066]

Just now, vinny41 said:

87,443 now

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071

 

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

87,443 now

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/226071

That's fantastic every little helps !!

[vinny41]

eu funded jolly for 60 EU officals in Pattaya

 

[Patriot1066]

On 10/28/2018 at 9:51 PM, SheungWan said:

Pamphlets and manifestos have no legal standing. Post-referendum implementation is the responsibility of Parliament.

No you are correct Parliament is supreme but they are the basis of trust if a political party states they will do something and don't then trust in our so called democracy is further eroded past it's already low point.

 

But the point is which you appear to neglect so eloquently is that people were told very clearly by the elected government that if we voted leave we would have what is termed a hard Brexit which is in fact Brexit it's not a hard Brexit simply Brexit. Why is it hard for remainers to accept these very simple facts?

 

[Patriot1066]

2 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

eu funded jolly for 60 EU officals in Pattaya

 

EU gravy train strikes again, it willl soon run off its tracks.

[Patriot1066]

21 hours ago, Grouse said:

No I don't and that is one of the key issues. Brexiteers do not care about others' views. They seem to believe a majority 28 months ago gives them carte Blanche. 

Yep your quiet correct!

[Patriot1066]

20 hours ago, vogie said:

If you care what other people think ie, people that don't share the same values as you, sometimes you and many of your peers have a funny way of showing it. I would suggest name calling and insults hardly makes that person or persons empathetic, infact can create hostility.

 

Again you are putting words into my mouth, I never said that getting a majority in the referendum was like winning the Lottery, but you already knew that, didn't you.

 

I am very pro European and not too keen on the Muslim culture, but being pro European don't mean I want them running our country. There is a vast difference in being pro European and anti EU in my honest opinion anyway.

I'm Pro Europe but anti EU. I love Europe going to away games !

[Patriot1066]

19 hours ago, nauseus said:

DIfferent elephant. If you are right about the "thinking", that's only driven by the continual effort of Rabid Remainers to completely undermine the result of the referendum.

There is no such thing as Hard Brexit it was a erm coined by Cleg Millar and the other elite millionaires.

 

There is only Brexit it's not hard soft or anything in between it's just Brexit.

 

leaving all the EU institutions and making our own independent way in the world.

 

thats what we were told we were voting for by the government of the day.

[SheungWan]

16 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Russia is no friend to the UK. But Putin is much more popular than say Merkel?

Stuffing the ballot box and knocking out the opposition should just about clinch it for Putin.

[damascase]

11 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

EU gravy train strikes again, it willl soon run off its tracks.

What a sick comment......

[SheungWan]

Just now, Patriot1066 said:

There is no such thing as Hard Brexit it was a erm coined by Cleg Millar and the other elite millionaires.

There is only Brexit it's not hard soft or anything in between it's just Brexit.

leaving all the EU institutions and making our own independent way in the world.

thats what we were told we were voting for by the government of the day.

What someone told you has little or no value unless your parents of course.

[Patriot1066]

16 hours ago, mommysboy said:

In effect then you are making the claim that the Remainers are to blame for the failure to strike a deal that the electorate and Parliament deems acceptable.  

 

It was clear early on that the most satisfactory deal was not available.  There is a very limited scope for negotiation anyway.  However, there are some attractive options such as EFTA that could have proved do-able had the Government applied its efforts effectively instead of pursuing a hard deal.

 

In my opinion, by far the biggest problem is the undue influence of the right wingers in the Tory Party, together with the Government's poor performance, although to some extent this may be mitigated by the former.

 

The biggest shame in all this is that when one examines the case for Brexit, as presented reasonably, then one can see that Leave has justifiable cause for alarm over the EU, though in my opinion the Leave cause fails when we consider economic strategy- 2/10 on this. Sadly, reasonable argument fell by the wayside mainly because of the misinformation perpetrated by the hard right, which started in the referendum and continues to this day.

 

 

 

 

There is a very good case for Brexit. I'm a socialist so it's not hard right please look at Labour leave not many hard right supporters there I must say. There is no such thing as hard Brexit just simply Brexit. Hard Brexit was invented by the remainer millionaires such as Cleg Millar Millibands one of who lives not even in the UK.

 

no hard Brexit just wonderful,Brexit

[SheungWan]

14 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

No you are correct Parliament is supreme but they are the basis of trust if a political party states they will do something and don't then trust in our so called democracy is further eroded past it's already low point.

But the point is which you appear to neglect so eloquently is that people were told very clearly by the elected government that if we voted leave we would have what is termed a hard Brexit which is in fact Brexit it's not a hard Brexit simply Brexit. Why is it hard for remainers to accept these very simple facts?

Typical Brexiteers confusion of opinion with nebulous facts.

[SheungWan]

Just now, Patriot1066 said:

There is a very good case for Brexit. I'm a socialist so it's not hard right please look at Labour leave not many hard right supporters there I must say. There is no such thing as hard Brexit just simply Brexit. Hard Brexit was invented by the remainer millionaires such as Cleg Millar Millibands one of who lives not even in the UK.

no hard Brexit just wonderful,Brexit

If you are a socialist, I'm a pickled egg.

[SheungWan]

17 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

No you are correct Parliament is supreme but they are the basis of trust if a political party states they will do something and don't then trust in our so called democracy is further eroded past it's already low point.

But the point is which you appear to neglect so eloquently is that people were told very clearly by the elected government that if we voted leave we would have what is termed a hard Brexit which is in fact Brexit it's not a hard Brexit simply Brexit. Why is it hard for remainers to accept these very simple facts?

Meaningless waffle again. No facts just repetitive guff. Got anything else?

[SheungWan]

18 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

I'm Pro Europe but anti EU. I love Europe going to away games !

Might be a bit of a problem there as your opinions seem more in tune with that of an expected Millwall supporter.

Edited October 29, 2018 by SheungWan

[melvinmelvin]

2 hours ago, vinny41 said:

He does say ""There is no majority in Parliament to repeal that law."

so March 29th at 23:00 GMT is the date we leave the EU if there is no deal in place

yes, ta, I saw that

of course, that is a relevant qualifier, parliament may revoke/amend the law or replace it with new stipulations,

which may close or open the door for a host of scenarios,

assuming that the law stays as is

 

Rmogg says exit 29 March full stop

 

if this is not correct, ok-fine, just more fake news

 

if it is correct then I understand this as the UK law is more restrictive than the treaty,

the law has removed the scope for agreed prolongation or deal/no deal scenarios

 

now, morning coffee