UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[Tweedle dee]

This post would have been banned within minutes on errrrmmm P/A shhhhhh after 14000 posts with my membership...i got banned just because i stand by the flag of my country....thumbs up would help...cos i have a mini trip to report from the boonies of Surin to return my 2 kids to my ex who runs a bar on the dark side...i will make further info ONLY if any one is interested. TD,

[Grouse]

49 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

If Scotland leaves which in my opinion a very good option what about your islands?

 

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scottish-independence-indyref2-shetland-islands-uk-norman-lamont-referendum-a7675666.html

To which islands do you refer?

 

Sounds like pie in the Skye to me

[vinny41]

Just now, Grouse said:

What tosh

 

Its an international club

 

You think we should have more rights than others?

 

You are 100 years out of date

The only Tosh I see is comming from your posts

Where did I state that Uk nationals should have more rights than others

A good balance would be that no non UK national should have more rights than a UK national

But as we don't you can see why people voted to leave the EU

I would imagine there would be uproar in Thailand if only Farangs were allowed to purchase Land and Thai nationals weren't

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Patriot1066 said:

They should as can come and effectively after three months claim as much as someone who has lived in the UK paying taxes all their life. That cant be fair can it?

Reciprocity 

 

Also, no job, 3 months, out. In accordance with EU regs. 

 

Of course brexiters dont understand that. 

 

It is not the fault of the EU that we don't apply the statutes.

 

BTW, Patriot, a statute is one of those big heavy things standing in parliament square.

[Grouse]

8 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

The only Tosh I see is comming from your posts

Where did I state that Uk nationals should have more rights than others

A good balance would be that no non UK national should have more rights than a UK national

But as we don't you can see why people voted to leave the EU

I would imagine there would be uproar in Thailand if only Farangs were allowed to purchase Land and Thai nationals weren't

Thailand is not in the EU

 

Reciprocity is a good thing and should be appreciated by all.

 

Sorry you don't get it

[mommysboy]

9 minutes ago, Grouse said:

To which islands do you refer?

 

Sounds like pie in the Skye to me

Large parts of Scotland particularly the eastern islands and southernmost regions appeared more for the UK than the UK as a whole.  Perhaps we'd be looking at a much smaller Scotland.

[vinny41]

Just now, Grouse said:

Thailand is not in the EU

 

Reciprocity is a good thing and should be appreciated by all.

 

Sorry you don't get it

Your the one that doesn't get you choose to ignore the fact the EU nationals have more rights in the UK than Uk Nationals

IT'S NOT RIGHT 

6million EU citizens in UK will have MORE rights than Brits after Brexit under Brussels plans

A think tank warned that EU proposals would give Europeans in the UK disproportionate rights

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/3792399/6million-eu-citizens-in-uk-will-have-more-rights-than-brits-after-brexit-under-brussels-plans/

 

Brexiteer MP Jacob Rees-Mogg lashed out at the new findings comparing EU citizens in the UK to "colonial occupiers".

He said: "You could not have a situation here where an EU citizen living in the UK had more rights than a British citizen. That would give them the status of colonial occupiers."

https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/860487/brexit-news-eu-citizens-more-rights-than-british-legal-system

 

 

[Grouse]

1 hour ago, Patriot1066 said:

They should as can come and effectively after three months claim as much as someone who has lived in the UK paying taxes all their life. That cant be fair can it?

You think social welfare only exists in the UK? Wake up, we are at the bottom! For the world's 6th economy our basic living standards are derisory. You going to blame that on the EU???

[Tweedle dee]

This is actually rather entertaining ..  glad i joined this forum ...beats coronation ST by miles !

[Grouse]

59 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I think your missing the point

How is this fair?': readers on the non-European spouses income ruling

We hear from citizens as the UK’s supreme court ruling backed the £18,600 earning threshold for non-European spouses

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/feb/23/how-is-this-fair-readers-on-the-non-european-spouses-income-ruling

 

Example 2 British passport holders got married in BKK last week to 2 Thai women

1 of the British passport holder is British born live in the UK all his life earns approx £15,000 per year

the other British passport holder was born In Germany Move to the UK acquired  British citizenship also earns £15,000 per year

Which British passport holder will be allowed to bring their spouse to the UK

 

So you're saying that other EU states are more civilised than the UK?

 

They are BTW

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, Grouse said:

So you're saying that other EU states are more civilised than the UK?

 

They are BTW

No I am saying The British passport holder was born In Germany Move to the UK acquired  British citizenship also earns £15,000 per year can bring his spouse into the UK while the British passport holder is British born live in the UK all his life wouldn't 

Hence EU nationals living in the UK have more rights that British Nationals living in the UK Although this will change once we have left the EU

[Grouse]

14 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

Large parts of Scotland particularly the eastern islands and southernmost regions appeared more for the UK than the UK as a whole.  Perhaps we'd be looking at a much smaller Scotland.

To which Eastern isles do you refer? I'll bet they are outnumbered by the Western ones

[Tweedle dee]

4 minutes ago, Grouse said:

So you're saying that other EU states are more civilised than the UK?

 

They are BTW

Pop corn for sale !! this thread could make me a fortune .

[Grouse]

1 minute ago, vinny41 said:

No I am saying The British passport holder was born In Germany Move to the UK acquired  British citizenship also earns £15,000 per year can bring his spouse into the UK while the British passport holder is British born live in the UK all his life wouldn't 

Hence EU nationals living in the UK have more rights that British Nationals living in the UK Although this will change once we have left the EU

Who are you blaming?

[vinny41]

Just now, Grouse said:

Who are you blaming?

I not blaming anyone I am giving one of many reasons why people voted Leave

If you have a 2 tier laws and rules that favour one group of Nationals over UK nationals  in the UK you would expect those UK nationals to ensure changes take place to remove any favouritism

[Patriot1066]

43 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

This has been overlooked.  Not only is Scotland as split on independence as UK is on Brexit, but some regions are staunchly pro UK.

 

Any further referendum would surely have to be by super-majority and by block (as the ill starred Brexit should have been).  Otherwise we're in a bugger's muddle again.

Yes they are indeed! Lots of unionists !

[Patriot1066]

33 minutes ago, Grouse said:

To which islands do you refer?

 

Sounds like pie in the Skye to me

he he! quiet clever ????

[melvinmelvin]

35 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

No I am saying The British passport holder was born In Germany Move to the UK acquired  British citizenship also earns £15,000 per year can bring his spouse into the UK while the British passport holder is British born live in the UK all his life wouldn't 

Hence EU nationals living in the UK have more rights that British Nationals living in the UK Although this will change once we have left the EU

these may change if you leave eu

 

[melvinmelvin]

43 minutes ago, Tweedle dee said:

This is actually rather entertaining ..  glad i joined this forum ...beats coronation ST by miles !

 

have a ball

 

[rixalex]

Reciprocity is a good thing and should be appreciated by all.

Why should it be appreciated by all? How does it benefit the 95% or more British citizens who actually happen to live in Britain? Answer is, it doesn't.

Sure, it benefits people like you and tebee, living in the EU. For everyone else, who don't wish to live outside of the Britain, what does reciprocity do for them?

Why not try thinking about all this with your own personal interests, and that of your family, put to one side for a minute?

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[Tweedle dee]

3 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

have a ball

 

That wont be difficult from where i am sitting.

[Patriot1066]

8 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

these may change if you leave eu

 

No I am saying The British passport holder was born In Germany Move to the UK acquired  British citizenship also earns £15,000 per year can bring his spouse into the UK while the British passport holder is British born live in the UK all his life wouldn't 

Hence EU nationals living in the UK have more rights that British Nationals living in the UK Although this will change once we have left the EU

 

AND YOU ARE QUIET CORRECT IT IS WRONG

[rixalex]

To which Eastern isles do you refer? I'll bet they are outnumbered by the Western ones

What if they are?

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[melvinmelvin]

38 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I not blaming anyone I am giving one of many reasons why people voted Leave

If you have a 2 tier laws and rules that favour one group of Nationals over UK nationals  in the UK you would expect those UK nationals to ensure changes take place to remove any favouritism

I was waiting for that one to come up

bringing a non eea lass into uk

 

yes, easier for frogs than for limey - fact

 

however, I don't think 2 tier and favouring are correct terms re describing this

 

making stipulations IS NOT EASY, I think what we see here is an unfortunate mishap,

its not unfairness by design

 

when you make regulations, there will almost always be sharp corners,

cases that don't fit, hence room for what the plebs call unfairness

 

 

[Patriot1066]

51 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

I not blaming anyone I am giving one of many reasons why people voted Leave

If you have a 2 tier laws and rules that favour one group of Nationals over UK nationals  in the UK you would expect those UK nationals to ensure changes take place to remove any favouritism

ONE OF THE REASONS AMONGST THE HUNDREEDS OF OTHER GOOD REASONS

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

You think social welfare only exists in the UK? Wake up, we are at the bottom! For the world's 6th economy our basic living standards are derisory. You going to blame that on the EU???

I rather think someone from Romania, Hungary, and Poland will tell a different story. 

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Who are you blaming?

That's a good point.  It was the UK that limited rights for its citizens.

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Reciprocity

 

Also, no job, 3 months, out. In accordance with EU regs.

 

Of course brexiters dont understand that.

 

It is not the fault of the EU that we don't apply the statutes.

 

BTW, Patriot, a statute is one of those big heavy things standing in parliament square.

BTW My learned friend that is a statue you refer to !

 

A statute is:

 

statute

/ˈstatʃuːt,ˈstatjuːt/  

noun

noun: statute; plural noun: statutes

1. a written law passed by a legislative body.

   "the Act consolidated statutes dealing with non-fatal offences"

   synonyms:

   law, regulation, enactment, act, bill, decree, edict, rule, ruling, resolution, promulgation, measure, motion, dictum, command, order, stipulation, commandment, directive, pronouncement, ratification, proclamation, dictate, diktat, fiat, covenant, demand, by-law; More ordinance; ukase; pronunciamento "the statute in question gave rise to an action for damages"

   • a rule of an organization or institution.

     "the appointment will be subject to the statutes of the university"
   • archaic

     (in biblical use) a law or decree made by a sovereign, or by God.

      

      

[Patriot1066]

Just now, mommysboy said:

That's a good point.  It was the UK that limited rights for its citizens.

Yes but when Cameron tried to enforce them he had terrible trouble.

 

Shultz said at the time he would not tolerate EU citizens being treated worse than UK Citizens!

 

That's one of the reasons Cameron failed and we are leaving?

[melvinmelvin]

3 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

BTW My learned friend that is a statue you refer to !

 

A statute is:

 

statute

/ˈstatʃuːt,ˈstatjuːt/  

noun

noun: statute; plural noun: statutes

1. a written law passed by a legislative body.

   "the Act consolidated statutes dealing with non-fatal offences"

   synonyms:

   law, regulation, enactment, act, bill, decree, edict, rule, ruling, resolution, promulgation, measure, motion, dictum, command, order, stipulation, commandment, directive, pronouncement, ratification, proclamation, dictate, diktat, fiat, covenant, demand, by-law; More ordinance; ukase; pronunciamento "the statute in question gave rise to an action for damages"

   • a rule of an organization or institution.

     "the appointment will be subject to the statutes of the university"
   • archaic

     (in biblical use) a law or decree made by a sovereign, or by God.

      

      

 

of all the options I go for dictum,

sounds good when talkin' about scrotum