UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[Patriot1066]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

Yes the Irish PM is gay and yes the French were not happy bunnys

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1002236/Brexit-news-France-ports-ireland-Brexit-eu-shipping-route-UK-trade

 

27 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

what do you mean EU? what is EU?

 

why should anyone have any formal concern with where Paddy wants to land his wares?

France, ZeeBrugge, Rotterdam or Copenhagen/Venezia for that matter?

 

 

He doesn't have a long family tree of been Irish, but does it matter if he's a gay or a 'new Irish' he is an idiot and there are plans to close his route through England for his trucks if the EU get awkward as he's done more to ruin Irish UK relations than any previous Tiosch (Prime minister). We bailed them out in the financial crisis when no one else would lend them money now they kick us in the €€locks.

 

The Irish use mainly 3 ports to enter the U.K. To drive to Dover, it doesn't take a lot of legally slow moving traffic to cut off their route does it? They are only allowed in the first two lanes of the motorway. He will regret his play hard get hard, he will soon be finding out how produce rots in his vehicles after Brexit.

 

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/exporters-to-keep-uk-land-bridge-after-brexit-36385212.html

 

They want to frustrate Brexit do they not realize our peaceful ways of cutting off their only viable route for all their produce and it would take them years to find another cost effective nautical route.

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, oilinki said:

So it seems that Britain is going to stay at EU's customs union. Well that's fine. 

 

In that way UK will not lose many of it's businesses and outside of EU, UK is not able to hinder further integration development of the EU which are urgently required to solve various issues inside EU. 

 

That's almost like eating the cake and keeping it. 

Like Turkey, Andorra and The Isle of Man? ????

[Grouse]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

tebee rarely gives links but does specialise in meaningless blanket statements.

Teebee, what's your favorite color of blanket? Can you provide an official statement?

[Patriot1066]

4 hours ago, kwilco said:

Do we need another referendum - apparently yes - I have never supported the general idea of referendums in a democracy - thy need to be well considered etc before being put forward and their legal status needs to be clear and any changes in constitution need to be a super-majority - however.......the lumpen masses who have no idea what democracy is, think referendums are "democratic", so we have to play that game - highly dubious though it is.

 

it is my firm belief that the only democratic way out of this mess is a general election - rid parliament of all MPs who keep changing their mind to suit which way the wind blows, get rid of May and Johnson and co., and put them on trial for treason.

 

 

 

Yes as they will be starting to run out of cheap labor. So will have to pay living wages at last. I note former boss of BT and Sainsbury in the article so he's not a business person he's retired!

 

 

[Patriot1066]

13 hours ago, tebee said:

Any move ( or none) is political suicide at the moment !

Your right they will be mostly pondering how to get out of what they created, but what if there was a vote would the options be?

[Patriot1066]

4 hours ago, vinny41 said:

Not according to the Irish Govt Hence this new ship

t is hoped its size will allow hundreds of thousands of additional tonnes of freight go to and from the Continent each year, bypassing Britain and the border controls and paperwork that may be inevitable if a hard Brexit becomes a reality.

Ireland in the EU France is in the EU the UK soon will be out of the EU  Irish trucks travelling from Dublin to France via the UK will be subject to checks and extra processing as we have been told many times you can't have you cake and eat it

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/brexit-busting-ferry-launched-from-dublin-port-1.3468760

Yes but it takes ages and they need the land bridge.

 

 

Brexit busting no chance no cake if you won't buy us lunch.

[Patriot1066]

7 hours ago, SheungWan said:

yeah, right.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/tommy-robinson-mcdonalds-fight-antifa-london-gang-attack-edl-video-a8250421.html

 

lots turn up for Tommys marches they had nearly 30,000 recently in London for FPA anti sharia march.

 

mainstream media didn't cover it at all.

 

The MSM only cover when the lefts bully boys and violent childlike ANTIFA turn up and get a kicking. Then they blame the far right (anyone aposed to immigration) for defending ourselves.

 

SheeungWan

 

Have you ever actually  managed to visit my beautiful country, or does your mum not let you go out on your own until you get older?

[Patriot1066]

56 minutes ago, Grouse said:

Like Turkey, Andorra and The Isle of Man? ????

Albania?

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Teebee, what's your favorite color of blanket? Can you provide an official statement?

 

1 hour ago, Patriot1066 said:

Yes but it takes ages and they need the land bridge.

 

 

Brexit busting no chance no cake if you won't buy us lunch.

M/V Celine

Built: South Korea

Owned: CLdN (Luxembourg)

Cruising speed: 17 knots

Present Location: Killingholme UK (R. Humber).

 

Cruising time Dublin to Rotterdam: 1.73 days.

Including loading/unloading say 2 days total (EU port to EU port). 

 

Not too long really. Not sure why this is not done more anyway. 

They don't need the UK road trip if they have quite a few more ships like this.

 

 

 

 

Edited November 4, 2018 by nauseus

[My Thai Life]

So much of this thread focuses on the UK, naturally, but it's worth looking occsaionally at the EU and its issues. The Observer today splashes with "EU mired in [non-Brexit] crises".

 

How about this from George Soros from Business Insider earlier ths year:

 

“The European Union is in the midst of an "existential crisis" and may cease to exist”

"There is no longer any point in ignoring the reality that a number of European Union member countries have explicitly rejected the EU’s goal of "ever closer union,'" Soros said.

"Since the financial crisis of 2008, the EU seems to have lost its way. It adopted a program of fiscal retrenchment, which led to the euro crisis and transformed the eurozone into a relationship between creditors and debtors. The creditors set the conditions that the debtors had to meet, yet could not meet. This created a relationship that was neither voluntary nor equal – the very opposite of the credo on which the EU was based.""

 

Edited November 4, 2018 by My Thai Life

[melvinmelvin]

41 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

M/V Celine

Built: South Korea

Owned: CLdN (Luxembourg)

Cruising speed: 17 knots

Present Location: Killingholme UK (R. Humber).

 

Cruising time Dublin to Rotterdam: 1.73 days.

Including loading/unloading say 2 days total (EU port to EU port). 

 

Not too long really. Not sure why this is not done more anyway. 

They don't need the UK road trip if they have quite a few more ships like this.

 

 

 

 

 

need more ships like that

 

question, these Irish and UKish trucks that transport wares deep into the EU dungeons and beyond,

are they LH drive or RH drive?

 

[bristolboy]

Uh oh. It looks like fake Brexit may be on the way:

May reportedly secures 'secret' Brexit concessions to keep whole of UK in a customs union — killing the Irish backstop problem

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-reports-of-secret-concessions-by-eu-to-uk-in-exit-talks-2018-11

[Guest]

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Uh oh. It looks like fake Brexit may be on the way:

May reportedly secures 'secret' Brexit concessions to keep whole of UK in a customs union — killing the Irish backstop problem

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-reports-of-secret-concessions-by-eu-to-uk-in-exit-talks-2018-11

EU should quickly accept Turkey's EU membership so that Turkey would be able to give orders to UK as a real EU member ????

 

Just kidding, it's never going to happen. 

 

 

[Jip99]

1 minute ago, oilinki said:

EU should quickly accept Turkey's EU membership so that Turkey would be able to give orders to UK as a real EU member ????

 

Just kidding, it's never going to happen. 

 

 

 

 

 

That actually made me smile...

 

 

 

Some people's votes were encouraged by the fact that they thought that would happen!

[melvinmelvin]

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Uh oh. It looks like fake Brexit may be on the way:

May reportedly secures 'secret' Brexit concessions to keep whole of UK in a customs union — killing the Irish backstop problem

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-reports-of-secret-concessions-by-eu-to-uk-in-exit-talks-2018-11

PM TM the famed BS assassin

 

BS aray?  bull-shit <deleted> brown-stains breast-strap bra-strap bother-some booze-swinging back-stops ball-suspenders

 

whatever May kill 'em

 

[damascase]

17 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Uh oh. It looks like fake Brexit may be on the way:

May reportedly secures 'secret' Brexit concessions to keep whole of UK in a customs union — killing the Irish backstop problem

https://www.businessinsider.com/brexit-reports-of-secret-concessions-by-eu-to-uk-in-exit-talks-2018-11

So Brexit is not going to be Brexit - at least not if the UK remains in the Customs Union?

[melvinmelvin]

 

Guys help me out, I have some difficulties understanding what a vote/ref on a deal actually means, how can this be accomplished in a meaningful manner?

 

what would the ballot paper look like?

 

deal = text published by gov as xxxxxxx

 

are you happy with this?    tick here

are you unhappy with this?   tick here

 

Majority concludes happy, fine - government speeds ahead and try cast the deal into treaty text with  EU

Majority concludes unhappy, ??? what then? what does the government do? crash out with no deal? Try to prolong the a50 period for further negos? Or what?

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, damascase said:

So Brexit is not going to be Brexit - at least not if the UK remains in the Customs Union?

Brexit means Brexit!!!

[Tweedle dee]

Do you guys ever go off line to have a sleep ?

[Guest]

26 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Brexit means Brexit!!!

LOL ????

[mommysboy]

As MTL says, EU has issues.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/brexit-sideshow-for-eu-beset-by-problems

[nauseus]

1 hour ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

need more ships like that

 

question, these Irish and UKish trucks that transport wares deep into the EU dungeons and beyond,

are they LH drive or RH drive?

 

RH as far as I Know. But this is not so critical with vision from these cabs. 

[nauseus]

2 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

As MTL says, EU has issues.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/brexit-sideshow-for-eu-beset-by-problems

And now some polls have Le Pen ahead of The Macaroon.

[mommysboy]

15 minutes ago, nauseus said:

And now some polls have Le Pen ahead of The Macaroon.

Yes I saw that. And indeed look what's happening around the world, eg, Brazil.

 

[Basil B]

We it looks like one of the instigators is about to get his collar felt, and Putin is about to realise £2mil of his £10mil went missing...

Quote

Businessman Arron Banks has been challenged to explain where the money for his Brexit campaign came from.

Mr Banks is the subject of a police probe into claims he was not the "true source" of £8m loaned to his Leave.EU campaign at the 2016 EU referendum.

The Electoral Commission referred the case to the National Crime Agency, which said potential criminal offences may have been committed.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46089236

 

Edited November 4, 2018 by Basil B

[SheungWan]

2 hours ago, oilinki said:

EU should quickly accept Turkey's EU membership so that Turkey would be able to give orders to UK as a real EU member ????

Just kidding, it's never going to happen.

 

1 hour ago, Jip99 said:

That actually made me smile...

Some people's votes were encouraged by the fact that they thought that would happen!

Only if they followed some of the scam messages from nutty pro-Brexit websites.

[SheungWan]

38 minutes ago, nauseus said:

And now some polls have Le Pen ahead of The Macaroon.

I thought Brexiteers poo-pooed polls?

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

lots turn up for Tommys marches

Certainly the usual BNP and other assorted neo-Nazis do.

[SheungWan]

4 hours ago, Patriot1066 said:

SheeungWan

Have you ever actually  managed to visit my beautiful country, or does your mum not let you go out on your own until you get older?

Own apartment in Zone 1 dear.

[billd766]

49 minutes ago, mommysboy said:

As MTL says, EU has issues.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/nov/04/brexit-sideshow-for-eu-beset-by-problems

A short quote from the Guardian post.

 

"Last month the European commission took the unprecedented and high-risk step of rejecting the draft budget of the third-biggest economy in the eurozone, in a move designed to force the country’s democratically elected government to rein in its spending.

With borrowing at 130% of gross domestic product, second only to Greece in the EU, Italy is said to be a danger to financial stability across Europe. Its government has been told to come up with a revised financial plan by 13 November, or face huge fines."

 

That seems a brilliant EU plan to me.

 

Italy is deep in debt and the EU says if you don't trim your budget we will fine you even more money. And if they refuse and the EU fines Italy and they don't pay, what next?

 

Bigger and heavier fines perhaps?

 

Suspension or expulsion from the EU.

 

The EU is like a house of cards and one or two cards are being taken away IMHO.