UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[Patriot1066]

5 hours ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

From this so called 'journalist' 's ????  article in, you guessed it - The Guardian.:

 

'First the trucks will be jammed all the way to Wales, because the borders are back. Then the fuel will run out at filling stations and medicines will run out in pharmacies. And once all the Polish plumbers have gone home, there will be nobody to call when the toilet gets blocked.'

 

'Go ahead. A hard Brexit will cost the rest of us a lot – there’s no question about that – but it is nothing compared to what is awaiting you Britons'.

 

'So there you are: left in your water-damaged homes, without fuel and aspirins, but with extremely bad-tempered Russians as neighbours'

 

...the government in London wouldn’t speak up for right-thinking people who want to stay close to the EU.' 

 

Pure conjecture, insult and unfounded scaremongering. Typical BS, but it's worrying that a load of partisan horse**** like this passes for journalism these days and is taken seriously / circulated in a broadsheet anywhere in Europe. Highly hypocritical too, considering the state of Germany in recent years and the views of an increasing number of his compatriots. He is a dodgy, dodgy character himself who has managed to enrage large portions of foreign nations with his bizarre diatribes and histrionic nonsense.

 

 

I just love the Guardian they sound like tin hat preppers.

 

They will have been stockpiling humus and brown rice for weeks already !

[SheungWan]

Just now, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

No one is denying their 'constitutional right' to, but you said it yourself in the above post - they're required to deliver on our vote. If they do not make good on promises made in public - to the public then they would be responsible some disastrous consequences. Why is that I wonder? Democratic vote and promises made by the top politicians in the land have anything to do with it? You can waffle on all you want about the ifs and buts and 'we're entitled to another one cos we lost', but the facts remain the same no matter how much sulking is done or how many irrelevant points are made. 

If the government decides to renege on the guarantees made by the PM of the previous Tory government, then they would be proving to the already disillusioned electorate that democracy in the UK is merely a sham.

Parliament is not constrained by any so-called "guarantee". Promises made in public have No ifs, no buts. Parliament is also entitled to hold another Referendum if it so wishes. "Promises made in public". Worthless unless tested in Parliament. Not surprising that Hard Brexiteers unable to follow constitutional logic but then they never did. Uber Nationalists never do.

[Jip99]

1 hour ago, adammike said:

Leave was 37 % of the electorate hardly the will of the people,leave won a vote by 52% to 48% again hardly the will of the people.

 

 

52% is a win....

[SheungWan]

Just now, Patriot1066 said:

I just love the Guardian they sound like tin hat preppers.

They will have been stockpiling humus and brown rice for weeks already !

As opposed to the tin foil hat Hard Brexiteer brigade.

[nauseus]

2 hours ago, Grouse said:

Your ignorance is starting to aggravate me. Do us all a favor and read a little before posting nonsenses. Do you want Germany to spend 2% of 4 trillion USD per annum on defense of what? Get a grip!

 

8,000 LeopardII main battle tanks EVERY YEAR????

 

the USA have 1,600 tanks in total.

 

Maybe you would prefer Germany to build some nuclear weapons?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-46108633

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-41971867

Edited November 6, 2018 by nauseus

[Patriot1066]

11 hours ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

I know of white collar boxing, never been to a match, but would like to. My brother in law is an ex-Muay Thai instructor and having practiced it myself since 16, I can honestly say I'd like to meet OJ in the ring too. I think I'd almost feel too guilty to smack him one though, he looks like he never hit puberty, poor little lad. Probably among the reasons behind his apparent social angst and his burning political hatreds. ????

I’ve been a few times to white collar it’s ok but I prefer ju jitsu really. I’ve never had anywhere the flexibility for Muay to be honest ???? Owen will be like rice pudding in a wet paper bag but god would it be good to find out.

 

Good your brother in law is an instructor that’s really cool like really really cool.

 

After Brexit we will be able to get people like him to come and teach in the UK instead on the EU masses as will have a more open needs based immigration system.

 

Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won

 

Remain lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

14 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Parliament is not constrained by any so-called "guarantee". Promises made in public have No ifs, no buts. Parliament is also entitled to hold another Referendum if it so wishes. "Promises made in public". Worthless unless tested in Parliament. Not surprising that Hard Brexiteers unable to follow constitutional logic but then they never did. Uber Nationalists never do.

All I can say is integrity, honesty or 'doing as you say you will' clearly mean nothing to you - perhaps even less than they do to the treacherous, pocket-lining politicos in Parliament? The Remain crowd seems to be replete with these kind of amoral, dishonourable traitors. It's genuinely depressing to witness 

 

And yes, please keep chucking your witless slurs, they simply serve to make yourself sound a bigger fool than you do at present. It's funny how your comments never gain any traction or get even a solitary like, from what I can see...despite the amount of Remoaners that we have to suffer on here. Why is that I wonder? I've laboured an incredibly simple point enough - as have many others - I think it's best to leave you in your fantasy world, undisturbed and unchallenged from now on. ???? Laa-gon.

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[SheungWan]

Just now, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

All I can say is promises, honesty or 'doing as you say you will' clearly mean nothing to you - even less than they do to the treacherous, pocket-lining politicos in Parliament. The Remain crowd seems to be replete with these kind of amoral, dishonourable traitors. 

And yeh, please keep chucking your witless slurs, they simply serve to make yourself sound an even bigger fool. It's funny how your comments never gain any traction or get even a solitary like, from what I can see...despite the amount of Remoaners that we have to suffer on here. Why is that I wonder? I've laboured an incredibly simple point enough - as have many others - I think it's best to leave you in your fantasy world, undisturbed and unchallenged from now on. ???? Laa-gon.

Certainly uber laborious. But then it would be, not able to follow simple logic. Life just a litany of traitors and Enemies of the People.

[SheungWan]

5 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won

Remain lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Intellectual Hard Brexiteer role model.

[adammike]

8 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

All I can say is integrity, honesty or 'doing as you say you will' clearly mean nothing to you - perhaps even less than they do to the treacherous, pocket-lining politicos in Parliament? The Remain crowd seems to be replete with these kind of amoral, dishonourable traitors. It's genuinely depressing to witness 

 

And yes, please keep chucking your witless slurs, they simply serve to make yourself sound a bigger fool than you do at present. It's funny how your comments never gain any traction or get even a solitary like, from what I can see...despite the amount of Remoaners that we have to suffer on here. Why is that I wonder? I've laboured an incredibly simple point enough - as have many others - I think it's best to leave you in your fantasy world, undisturbed and unchallenged from now on. ???? Laa-gon.

 

That's me bang to rights.

[Patriot1066]

15 minutes ago, Jip99 said:

 

 

52% is a win....

Yep if it’s more than 50% it’s a win. Without a doubt.

 

For remainers who don’t understand let’s make it simple;

 

100~2=50 so that means 50 is half. So percentage is based out of 100 or 100% to be accurate.

 

So the 52.9% is above half, are you following carefully? It’s above have as over 50 which is half of a hundred

 

Sooooooo simple if you explain things like you do to a five year old!

 

When we get Brexit sorted we should consider re education camps for remainers so we can teach them the right path, add up, understand basic political things and now work in percentages????

[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Intellectual Hard Brexiteer role model.

Thank you for re posting my Brexit great to get more publicity !

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

20 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

I’ve been a few times to white collar it’s ok but I prefer ju jitsu really. I’ve never had anywhere the flexibility for Muay to be honest ???? Owen will be like rice pudding in a wet paper bag but god would it be good to find out.

 

Good your brother in law is an instructor that’s really cool like really really cool.

 

After Brexit we will be able to get people like him to come and teach in the UK instead on the EU masses as will have a more open needs based immigration system.

 

Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won

 

Remain lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahahaha! 

 

Thanks. Surprisingly enough my brother in law lives here in Bangers and has done for 12 years now, but is originally from St.Neots in Cambridgeshire, close to where I'm from originally.

 

He is my sister's fella and not a relative of my missus (who's Thai-Burmese), though I understand why you would think the latter. He trained the European champion at welter weight some 20 years back now at his gym Surprendre Muay Thai - in Cambridge.

 

Personally, I love MT, having done it for many years now, albeit sporadically, I really appreciate it and the effect it has had on me growing up. It (martial arts in general) teaches you respect, composure and also a lot about yourself. Important lessons. BJJ is of course a great martial art too. Great conditioning and very effective if performed competently. Something I'd like to learn in the future. 

 

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by CanterbrigianBangkoker

[SheungWan]

22 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

I just love the Guardian they sound like tin hat preppers.

They will have been stockpiling humus and brown rice for weeks already !

Not sure about stockpiling humus.

[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

Hahahaha! 

 

Thanks. Surprisingly enough my brother in law lives here in Bangers and has done for 12 years now, but is originally from St.Neots in Cambridgeshire, close to where I'm from originally.

 

He is my sister's fella and not a relative of my missus (who's Thai-Burmese), though I understand why you would think the latter. He trained the world champion at welter weight some 20 years back now at his gym Surprendre Muay Thai - in Cambridge.

 

Personally, I love MT, having done it for many years now, albeit sporadically, I really appreciate it and the effect it has had on me growing up. It (martial arts in general) teaches you respect, composure and also a lot about yourself. Important lessons. BJJ is of course a great martial art too. Great conditioning and very effective if performed competently. Something I'd like to learn in the future. 

 

 

Yes that shows a small world it is. If they taught more martial arts to young people it would save a lot of street crime as really does teach all the skills you need. Consideration, risk assessment, self control, anger management, environmental factors, basic anatomy, and maths as you always need to know how many targets you face or use the running skill you will also learn lol.

[Patriot1066]

6 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Not sure about stockpiling humus.

Maybe they have a fridge? But no fuel for it according to them so it will all be off!

[Justin Side]

Of course he voters should have the last say.

Why would anyone say different?

[Patriot1066]

2 minutes ago, Justin Side said:

Of course he voters should have the last say.

Why would anyone say different?

What will they have a say on?

[Kieran00001]

34 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

I’ve been a few times to white collar it’s ok but I prefer ju jitsu really. I’ve never had anywhere the flexibility for Muay to be honest ???? Owen will be like rice pudding in a wet paper bag but god would it be good to find out.

 

Good your brother in law is an instructor that’s really cool like really really cool.

 

After Brexit we will be able to get people like him to come and teach in the UK instead on the EU masses as will have a more open needs based immigration system.

 

Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won Brexit we won

 

Remain lost !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Is it not past your bed time little one?

[melvinmelvin]

 

hmm,

seem to learn a bit about the nature of Brexiteers here,

people who indulge in violence against fellow humans

 

sad state the foggy islands is in, indeed

 

martial art my a

 

[Patriot1066]

2 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

hmm,

seem to learn a bit about the nature of Brexiteers here,

people who indulge in violence against fellow humans

 

sad state the foggy islands is in, indeed

 

martial art my a

 

You need to understand things before you comment!

 

White collar boxing is a voluntary club where people in jobs where you might not be attracted come to fight it is quiet civilised.

 

https://www.ultrawhitecollarboxing.co.uk/?gclid=EAIaIQobChMI3Yrp4_6_3gIVTbTtCh2XnwVBEAAYASAAEgL4LPD_BwE

 

There you go now you can comment knowing the facts 

 

Boxing for fun

[melvinmelvin]

28 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

Yep if it’s more than 50% it’s a win. Without a doubt.

 

For remainers who don’t understand let’s make it simple;

 

100~2=50 so that means 50 is half. So percentage is based out of 100 or 100% to be accurate.

 

So the 52.9% is above half, are you following carefully? It’s above have as over 50 which is half of a hundred

 

Sooooooo simple if you explain things like you do to a five year old!

 

When we get Brexit sorted we should consider re education camps for remainers so we can teach them the right path, add up, understand basic political things and now work in percentages????

In your constant stream of post diarrhea crapping down this thread, you have posted some real stuff for a change

yes, the referendum win was a decisive win, I agree with that

the referendum reflected a statistically clear win - nothing by chance here

 

[CanterbrigianBangkoker]

 

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

3 hours ago, SheungWan said:

And then there are those guys who think that if they shovel enough words in one's direction, it will provide enough ballast for their rubbish argument to ride in on the tide. For one or two guys its their party piece routine????! ..........Parliament retains the right to run another referendum irrespective of what Cameron or Uncle Tom Cobbley and All may or may not have said. And that goes for the terms of Brexit. withdrawal as well.

 

3 hours ago, nontabury said:

 So what you’re suggesting, is that Parliament should ride roughshod over the will of the British people. Why not go the whole hogg, and ban the populace from voting, or even thinking.

 

I've no doubt that given the chance, SW and those of the same ilk - with their entrenched neo-liberal, socialist views - would want to see all but a very small proportion of the populous allowed to vote. The plebs don't count after all, and according to him and many others of an equally warped mindset, that's over half the country! - 'Let them eat cake'. ????

 

If you didn't laugh you'd cry!

 

[Justin Side]

17 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said:

What will they have a say on?

Leave and destroy the British economy.

Stay and prosper.

Seems an easy choice to most people who do not have extreme ideology. 

[billd766]

3 hours ago, nauseus said:

8000 tanks? Yearly. Really? Well they must sell a lot!

 

They had 244 combat tanks, with only 105 operational in February this year.

 

https://www.ft.com/content/36e2cd40-0fdf-11e8-940e-08320fc2a277

Please stop confusing Grouse with facts. You must know by now the only facts he believes in are the ones that are anti Brexit.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/24/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable/?utm_term=.4216161c1c65

 

About half of all Leopard 2s — the tank which is most common in the Bundeswehr — were out of order as recently as November, which left the country with only 95 tanks of that type. By comparison, Russia is believed to have over 20,000 combat tanks, even though it is not known how many of them are operational.

[Patriot1066]

2 minutes ago, Justin Side said:

Leave and destroy the British economy.

Stay and prosper.

Seems an easy choice to most people who do not have extreme ideology. 

Hilarious !!

 

How about;

 

Stay and build more long term debt for your children and Grandchildren !

 

Stay see the EU expand less money for your own country as we will be rebuilding someone else’s.

 

Jobs takes away as EU subsidises new factories like Ford Transit in Turkey. Or new Jaguar factory in Slovakia.

 

90 percent of fish given away to foreign powers.

 

more subsidising of foreign powers military budgets.

 

Look forward to a vote based on actual facts not those sponsored by Soros and his Bliknaute Cabel.

[SheungWan]

Just now, CanterbrigianBangkoker said:

I've no doubt that given the chance, SW and those of the same ilk - with their entrenched neo-liberal, socialist views - would want to see all but a very small proportion of the populous allowed to vote. The plebs don't count after all, and according to him and many others of an equally warped mindset, that's over half the country! - 'Let them eat cake'. ????

If you didn't laugh you'd cry!

And some Brexiteers wonder why they aren't taken seriously....... Well don't look up!

(Lovely weather in HK today, looking out over Victoria Harbour)

[rixalex]

All I can say is integrity, honesty or 'doing as you say you will' clearly mean nothing to you - perhaps even less than they do to the treacherous, pocket-lining politicos in Parliament? The Remain crowd seems to be replete with these kind of amoral, dishonourable traitors. It's genuinely depressing to witness 

Indeed it is.

Re "doing as you say you will meaning nothing to them", can you imagine how quickly they would change their tune on that were there another referendum and were they to win? I bet then they'd be advocating for the sake of democracy that the will of the people had to be respected. I bet also that if it was then debated after they won about whether we should have a soft or a hard remain, or whether we needed another referendum to check people hadn't changed their mind, they would answer that remain should mean remain, and that the matter was decided once and for all, and that we should all just get on with remaining in the EU.

All I can say is, if remainers do get their way and manage to overturn the democratic vote, the undoubted hypocrisy dishonesty and treachery it will expose in them all, as they suddenly turn 180 degrees with all of the arguments they have been making over the last couple of years, will make an utter joke of them, and they'll be torn apart in any serious debate. I will take no satisfaction in the mess it creates for the country, that will far exceed any mess that would be created by Brexit, but I'll take immense satisfaction in seeing those who played a role in overturning democracy having their careers disintegrate and fall apart, as they most certainly will.

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[Patriot1066]

3 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Please stop confusing Grouse with facts. You must know by now the only facts he believes in are the ones that are anti Brexit.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2018/01/24/afraid-of-a-major-conflict-the-german-military-is-currently-unavailable/?utm_term=.4216161c1c65

 

About half of all Leopard 2s — the tank which is most common in the Bundeswehr — were out of order as recently as November, which left the country with only 95 tanks of that type. By comparison, Russia is believed to have over 20,000 combat tanks, even though it is not known how many of them are operational.

That’s because they spend half what they agreed to in military spending.

[Patriot1066]

Just now, rixalex said:

 

Indeed it is.

Re "doing as you say you will meaning nothing to them", can you imagine how quickly they would change their tune on that were there another referendum and were they to win? I bet then they'd be advocating for the sake of democracy that the will of the people had to be respected. I bet also that if it was then debated after they won about whether we should have a soft or a hard remain, or whether we needed another referendum to check people hadn't changed their mind, they would answer that remain should mean remain, and that the matter was decided once and for all, and that we should all just get on with remaining in the EU.

All I can say is, if remainers do get their way and manage to overturn the democratic vote, the undoubted hypocrisy dishonesty and treachery it will expose in them all, as they suddenly turn 180 degrees with all of the arguments they have been making over the last couple of years, will make an utter joke of them, and they'll be torn apart in any serious debate. I will take no satisfaction in the mess it creates for the country, that will far exceed any mess that would be created by Brexit, but I'll take immense satisfaction in seeing those who played a role in overturning democracy having their careers disintegrate and fall apart, as they most certainly will.

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It will be interesting to see if they dare!