UK voters should make final Brexit decision if talks with EU collapse: poll

[beautifulthailand99]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Tusk actually said 

European Council president Donald Tusk ruled out renegotiating Theresa May’s Brexit deal today, saying if parliament rejects the agreement then Britain must either crash out of the EU with no deal or abandon Brexit altogether.

So no deal and leave the EU is on the cards

http://www.cityam.com/269975/no-deal-brexit-remaining-eu-only-options-if-theresa-mays

abandon Brexit it is then....

 

[evadgib]

 

[vinny41]

Just now, beautifulthailand99 said:

abandon Brexit it is then....

 

Or Abandon the EU don't pay £39 Billion divorce bill I sure some members on here will have a whip round to help the EU

[melvinmelvin]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Tusk actually said 

European Council president Donald Tusk ruled out renegotiating Theresa May’s Brexit deal today, saying if parliament rejects the agreement then Britain must either crash out of the EU with no deal or abandon Brexit altogether.

So no deal and leave the EU is on the cards

http://www.cityam.com/269975/no-deal-brexit-remaining-eu-only-options-if-theresa-mays

 

bah bah bo bo

 

it's all over Europe that several PMs hold the door open for a50 prolongation and brushing up the deal

provided

parliament shoots down the deal

prolongation ends before new EU parliament becomes operational 

UK has a clear idea what she wants

 

 

[tebee]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

motion of no confidence in the government is unlikely to pass and that would be the same as a board of directors  ( Conservative MP voting themselves out of a job with all the benefits that go with that job) more likely is May will go and a new Conservative leader will be chosen rabb or JRM

Yes, we agree except on the outcome - Mogg is looking a spent force since he failed to get the 48 letters and Rabb has proved himself an idiot. If the motion of no confidence fails to pass then May remains the leader - what will she do then?

 

One suggested scenario is that after the deal fails on the 1st vote, she teams up with remainders to pass her bill conditional on a referendum, this gives both her deal and remain a fighting chance and takes no deal Brexit off the table, which is a priority for both of those camps
 

 

 

[melvinmelvin]

5 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Tusk actually said 

European Council president Donald Tusk ruled out renegotiating Theresa May’s Brexit deal today, saying if parliament rejects the agreement then Britain must either crash out of the EU with no deal or abandon Brexit altogether.

So no deal and leave the EU is on the cards

http://www.cityam.com/269975/no-deal-brexit-remaining-eu-only-options-if-theresa-mays

 

bah bah bo bo

 

it's all over Europe that several PMs hold the door open for a50 prolongation and brushing up the deal

provided

parliament shoots down the deal

prolongation ends before new EU parliament becomes operational 

UK has a clear idea what she wants

 

 

[billd766]

9 hours ago, melvinmelvin said:

when EU expanded eastwards several countries put a brake on east to west FoM and introduced

a gradual transition arrangement

(Sweden opened up fully from day 1 as far as I remember.)

 

this bit about getting employment within x hours or out I don't think is correct

that would mean it would be risky business to retire in EU

Portugal and Spain could just decide to throw out all retirees since they don't work

 

 

But do they pay their way without claiming anything as we do here in Thailand?

[melvinmelvin]

2 minutes ago, billd766 said:

But do they pay their way without claiming anything as we do here in Thailand?

 

have no idea

 

but this, get work within xxx or leave cannot be right I think

 

[vinny41]

7 minutes ago, melvinmelvin said:

 

bah bah bo bo

 

it's all over Europe that several PMs hold the door open for a50 prolongation and brushing up the deal

provided

parliament shoots down the deal

prolongation ends before new EU parliament becomes operational 

UK has a clear idea what she wants

 

 

Theresa May said on Thursday that any decision to extend the Brexit negotiating period would reopen the exit deal she has agreed with the European Union, adding that she would not seek any extension.

"What is clear is that any extension to Article 50, anything like that, reopens the negotiations, reopens the deal and at that point the deal could go, frankly, in any direction," May told a parliamentary committee. REUTERS

https://www.todayonline.com/world/uk-pm-may-says-any-article-50-extension-reopens-brexit-negotiations

[billd766]

5 hours ago, adammike said:

First I am not having an argument I was only asking the question about how are the brexiteers going to deal with more immigrants from outside Europe when they hate the the ones they already have that come from Europe.seems like a fair question to ask,granted it could be construed as dog whistle politics.You do make a compelling case but I am not sure everything you say is right.

Where do you get "how are the brexiteers going to deal with more immigrants from outside Europe when they hate the the ones they already have that come from Europe.seems like a fair question to ask" the Brexiteers hate from?

[vinny41]

11 minutes ago, tebee said:

Yes, we agree except on the outcome - Mogg is looking a spent force since he failed to get the 48 letters and Rabb has proved himself an idiot. If the motion of no confidence fails to pass then May remains the leader - what will she do then?

 

One suggested scenario is that after the deal fails on the 1st vote, she teams up with remainders to pass her bill conditional on a referendum, this gives both her deal and remain a fighting chance and takes no deal Brexit off the table, which is a priority for both of those camps
 

 

 

And then renage on the promise of a 2nd referendum

[melvinmelvin]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Theresa May said on Thursday that any decision to extend the Brexit negotiating period would reopen the exit deal she has agreed with the European Union, adding that she would not seek any extension.

"What is clear is that any extension to Article 50, anything like that, reopens the negotiations, reopens the deal and at that point the deal could go, frankly, in any direction," May told a parliamentary committee. REUTERS

https://www.todayonline.com/world/uk-pm-may-says-any-article-50-extension-reopens-brexit-negotiations

yep, that is her take and her privilege

ditching TM having another PM - the stage is clear for new plays

 

[tebee]

6 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

motion of no confidence in the government is unlikely to pass and that would be the same as a board of directors  ( Conservative MP voting themselves out of a job with all the benefits that go with that job) more likely is May will go and a new Conservative leader will be chosen rabb or JRM

Yes, we agree except on the outcome - Mogg is looking a spent force since he failed to get the 48 letters and Rabb has proved himself an idiot. If the motion of no confidence fails to pass then May remains the leader - what will she do then?

 

One suggested scenario is that after the deal fails on the 1st vote, she teams up with remainders to pass her bill conditional on a referendum, this gives both her deal and remain a fighting chance and takes no deal Brexit off the table, which is a priority for both of those camps
 

 

 

[vinny41]

1 minute ago, tebee said:

Yes, we agree except on the outcome - Mogg is looking a spent force since he failed to get the 48 letters and Rabb has proved himself an idiot. If the motion of no confidence fails to pass then May remains the leader - what will she do then?

 

One suggested scenario is that after the deal fails on the 1st vote, she teams up with remainders to pass her bill conditional on a referendum, this gives both her deal and remain a fighting chance and takes no deal Brexit off the table, which is a priority for both of those camps
 

 

 

And then renage on the promise of a 2nd referendum after all she has form

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

So wrong but never mind. TGIF.

I agree with you 100%.

 

When I first came here in 1993 the rates are as the link below.

 

http://fxtop.com/en/historical-exchange-rates.php?A=1&C1=GBP&C2=THB&DD1=01&MM1=01&YYYY1=1993&B=1&P=&I=1&DD2=31&MM2=12&YYYY2=1993&btnOK=Go!

 

The average over the year was 38.045 but who cares about facts on the Remainer forum?

 

 

 

[billd766]

1 hour ago, vinny41 said:

No but surely you would want to discuss any future plans that the EU may have towards these subjects for a time period of the next 50 years

Will the EU still be around in 5 years let alone 50?

[billd766]

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

Right, who stole the goal posts then?

 1 hour ago, Grouse said:

Well I live in the real world

 

You want to quote exchange rates from 1984? Be my guest.

 

I quoted rates from 1993 when I was here working in the real world.

 

How about you?

[bomber]

40 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Or Abandon the EU don't pay £39 Billion divorce bill I sure some members on here will have a whip round to help the EU

at 41.90bt to the pound there wont be enough a for beer.????

[nontabury]

3 hours ago, AlexRich said:

It would have to be the same terms, but at least the facts are on the table ... if leavers still believe people want this they should go for it, as victory would settle the matter for a generation.

 

The decision was made for a generation in 2018.

Since then of course we’ve had to endure the childish tantrums of those opposed to Democracy. 

[SheungWan]

4 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The decision was made for a generation in 2018.

Since then of course we’ve had to endure the childish tantrums of those opposed to Democracy. 

That would be the tantrums of the Hard Brexiteers who wanted the Government to bypass Parliament.

[SheungWan]

10 minutes ago, bomber said:

at 41.90bt to the pound there wont be enough a for beer.????

Hard Brexit takes us below 40.

[SheungWan]

23 minutes ago, billd766 said:

Will the EU still be around in 5 years let alone 50?

Maybe similar odds as most of the Grumpy Old Git Brexiteers being around in 5 years

[SheungWan]

8 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The decision was made for a generation in 2018.

Rip Van Winkle loses 2 years.

[nontabury]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

What next for Brexit? Four possible outcomes

 

https://www.ft.com/content/80774838-e8f5-11e8-a34c-663b3f553b35

   

    Britain holds a second referendum

The most likely route to this outcome is that Mrs May’s pact fails to be approved; Labour then calls a motion of no-confidence in the government and it fails to pass; Labour and Conservative MPs then opt for a second referendum believing the other options (no-deal or renegotiation) to be untenable.
 

Another outcome of course, would be for the U.K to walk away and in so doing, carry out the Democratic wish of the British people.

Edited November 30, 2018 by nontabury

[SheungWan]

Just now, nontabury said:

Another outcome of course,could be for the U.K to walk away and in so doing, carry out the Democratic wish of the British people.

No majority for that in Parliament. Dead in the water.

[bomber]

10 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Hard Brexit takes us below 40.

and Comrade corbyn to 30

[AlexRich]

29 minutes ago, nontabury said:

The decision was made for a generation in 2018.

Since then of course we’ve had to endure the childish tantrums of those opposed to Democracy. 

No, not 2018, I guess the democratic vote will happen some

time in 2019. Democracy didn’t stop after June 2016, and that doesn’t change because it upsets you.

[AlexRich]

26 minutes ago, SheungWan said:

Maybe similar odds as most of the Grumpy Old Git Brexiteers being around in 5 years

I watched a programme last night were the guy mentioned that by March next year the death rate of Brexiteers meant that they would no longer have a majority, even if the same people voted in the same way. Natural selection can work even after only two years.

[bomber]

4 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I watched a programme last night were the guy mentioned that by March next year the death rate of Brexiteers meant that they would no longer have a majority, even if the same people voted in the same way. Natural selection can work even after only two years.

as daft as it sounds its probably right.

[Stupooey]

11 minutes ago, AlexRich said:

I watched a programme last night were the guy mentioned that by March next year the death rate of Brexiteers meant that they would no longer have a majority, even if the same people voted in the same way. Natural selection can work even after only two years.

 

January 19 is the official "Crossover Day". Purely hypothetical, of course. It'll probably be earlier.