Suspected CIA black site in Thailand to become tourist destination

[CLW]

Bridge over the river Kwai is the only one that springs to mind.   The AVG or Flying Tigers bombed Thailand extensively form China.  The RAF did too from Burma.   Sure if you read up, you might find some things. 
 
A friend of mine, his brother was wounded by insurgence from Lao while at the Ubon Air Force Base, back in the early 70's.  That is when his parents lost faith.  They thought he was safe in Thailand, and the fact he was wounded meant there must be many things the government was hiding at the time.  One of my bosses was there too.  A lot of bad things happened there during the war.

Yes. The Bridge and especially the Hellfire Pass Memorial Museum, which is excellent.

[Gandtee]

Obviously fake news. The powers that be assured us there were no secret. interrogation sites.?

[bendejo]

14 hours ago, Darcula said:

Locals can get waterboarding at half price?

 

That would be the Songkran Special.

 

 

[whaleboneman]

9 hours ago, CLW said:

This is a serious question: Are there any sites in Thailand from WW2 or the Vietnam era worth visiting?

Trying to hijack the thread - are you CIA?

[MyFriend You]

16 hours ago, worgeordie said:

Maybe also a warehouse for Air America, they used to fly

a lot of product around

regards worgeordie

Hard Rice....................

[radiochaser]

I do not know if there were or were not any secret CIA torture bases in Thailand.  I do know, the CIA were not operating one at Ramasun Station.  

The CIA did work out of the Royal Thai Air Force Base in Udon.  They had a hanger on the base and I saw tall, blond haired pilots getting into and flying airplanes and helicopters from there.  Must have been members of the Laotian Air Force though. 

Yes, there is a tunnel on the, now, Thai military base outside of Udon Thani.  That tunnel went from the Operations building to the center building of the FLR/9 antenna array.  Its purpose was for the many cables and wiring connecting  the two buildings.  

Yes, there was secret stuff going on there.  But the correct terminology would be, there was classified work going on at Ramasun Station. 

 

If there were any CIA interrogations that occurred at Ramsun Station, then it was done while the Thai Army had control of the base.  I know the Thai Army has occupied the place since 1988, when I first returned to visit Thailand.  

P.S. The 7th RRFS was never a radar base!

P.P.S.  There was and still is a radar base on the mountain at Chiang Mai and another one somewhere in the north east part of Thailand, I think, within a 50 kilometer radius of Udon Thani.

My thoughts on the Australian news story.  B.S. 

[Get Real]

18 hours ago, Darcula said:

Locals can get waterboarding at half price?

Yep, and it´s going to be a very hard time to explain why tourists have to pay double here, and all the benefits of that.

 

18 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

is this place for sale? I could open a S&M club.

No, you have to contact CIA headquarter to rent it.

 

18 hours ago, owl sees all said:

I did live just two killometers from the Voice of America site on the 2022 in  Udon Thani.

 

Military helecopters flying in at night. Screams and cries. Armed guards everywhere. Massive water bills.

I guess it´s true then! You do see and hear all!

 

18 hours ago, Mikeasq60 said:

And whats wrong with waterboarding, kids stuff!

Nah, if you can´t get a grip on that, then I think it´s far to late for an explaination.

[LomSak27]

2 hours ago, radiochaser said:

The CIA did work out of the Royal Thai Air Force Base in Udon.  They had a hanger on the base and I saw tall, blond haired pilots getting into and flying airplanes and helicopters from there.  Must have been members of the Laotian Air Force though. 

what 1966 through 1973? What decade are you living in Tonto?
 

[radiochaser]

1 hour ago, LomSak27 said:

what 1966 through 1973? What decade are you living in Tonto?
 

I am living in the current decade, 2010-2019.

I worked at the 7th in 1972-1973 and at the RTAFB with the aviation unit that was attached to the 7th. 

The aviation unit had an office that was in the CIA run Air Continental Airlines hanger.  

And my Cherokee name is,  Radio Chaser, Kemosabe!   ?  That is also a hint of what I did for more than 30 years. 

 

Oh, and look at my avatar.

 

[bendejo]

4 hours ago, radiochaser said:

They had a hanger on the base and I saw tall, blond haired pilots getting into and flying airplanes and helicopters from there.  Must have been members of the Laotian Air Force though. 

 

Thanks, that cracked me up.

 

We get so many former Green Berets, SAS, CIA etc among the expats who are obviously lying it's a bit of a shock to come across someone who actually is.

I was taking classes in California around 1983 and I had a classmate in a few of them who claimed to be an ex-Seal: aside from being unconvincing he was obviously too young.  I never called him on it, waiting for him to encounter a real vet and seeing him get a proper ass-whooping.

 

[nong38]

It was so secret even the General did not know about it and as for Udon Thani where on earth can that be?

[radiochaser]

3 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Thanks, that cracked me up.

 

We get so many former Green Berets, SAS, CIA etc among the expats who are obviously lying it's a bit of a shock to come across someone who actually is.

I was taking classes in California around 1983 and I had a classmate in a few of them who claimed to be an ex-Seal: aside from being unconvincing he was obviously too young.  I never called him on it, waiting for him to encounter a real vet and seeing him get a proper ass-whooping.

 

Some of the guys that worked at the 7th, actually became Special Forces qualified.   Other guys went from their MOS school to become Special Forces qualified.  

When I was in a Detachment of the Company I was assigned to in Vietnam, my last Det. Commander was Special Forces qualified.  

James replaced Jim as Det Commander.  Both were SSg's but Jim was a ... screwed up Sargent. 

James was pulled from a MAC-SOG Unit that was working in Laos at the time.  

I had the smarts to be one, but I did not believe that I could be a member of Special Forces.  The closest that I came to that was in California, when a Special Forces Reserve unit wanted me to join.  I was a qualified radio morse operator with almost 2 years experience in Vietnam.   

I would not have been in the field with the Special Forces units, I would have been a communications specialist at the Net Control Station back a base.  

[radiochaser]

11 minutes ago, nong38 said:

It was so secret even the General did not know about it and as for Udon Thani where on earth can that be?

What was so secret that the general did not know about it?

Do you mean the 7th RRFS?

If so, that could be true.  If the General did not have a security clearance high enough and a need to know, then he might know about the 7th RRFS, but he probably would not know what was done there!.  

And if you mean, where on Earth is the 7th RRFS / Radar Station.  Use google earth.

 17°17'33.21", 102°52'5.04"

This is not in Udon Thani, it is at Nong Sung (sp?), Thailand, about 15-17 K. from Udon. 

[radiochaser]

Arial View of the 7th RRFS.
The tunnel should be from the white building on the right of the circular array, to the round building in the middle of the array.  

That array is 355 meters plus or minus a few meters. 

 

 

[radiochaser]

57 minutes ago, bendejo said:

 

Thanks, that cracked me up.

 

We get so many former Green Berets, SAS, CIA etc among the expats who are obviously lying it's a bit of a shock to come across someone who actually is.

I was taking classes in California around 1983 and I had a classmate in a few of them who claimed to be an ex-Seal: aside from being unconvincing he was obviously too young.  I never called him on it, waiting for him to encounter a real vet and seeing him get a proper ass-whooping.

 

I met a guy in Santa Cruz, California.  Told me he was a Vietnam vet.  While talking to him, he told me that he was with an Army unit that flew, in a Huey Helicopter, from Taiwan to Vietnam to rescue some POW's.  I said, "you mean you flew from Thailand". 

No, he said, from Taiwan.  I asked, "do you mean you flew, in a Huey, from the island of Taiwan to Vietnam, rescued POW's, and flew back to Taiwan with them.  Yep, he says.  Where did your helicopter refuel at, I asked.  He said they flew round trip from Taiwan on the fuel in their tanks that were filled at Taiwan!   I just walked away!

At most, a Huey has a 200 Nautical mile range, one way, and maybe less that that, depending on the particular helicopter, the pilots flying skills, the weather, and the take off weight.  

Taiwan is around 1,800 nautical miles, round trip, from Vietnam.  Maybe more, maybe less, depending on where you left from in Taiwan and went to in Vietnam.  Let's not consider the fact, that there were MIG 15's in Vietnam, capable of shooting down a Huey!

[sungod]

7 minutes ago, radiochaser said:

I met a guy in Santa Cruz, California.  Told me he was a Vietnam vet.  While talking to him, he told me that he was with an Army unit that flew, in a Huey Helicopter, from Taiwan to Vietnam to rescue some POW's.  I said, "you mean you flew from Thailand". 

No, he said, from Taiwan.  I asked, "do you mean you flew, in a Huey, from the island of Taiwan to Vietnam, rescued POW's, and flew back to Taiwan with them.  Yep, he says.  Where did your helicopter refuel at, I asked.  He said they flew round trip from Taiwan on the fuel in their tanks that were filled at Taiwan!   I just walked away!

At most, a Huey has a 200 Nautical mile range, one way, and maybe less that that, depending on the particular helicopter, the pilots flying skills, the weather, and the take off weight.  

Taiwan is around 1,800 nautical miles, round trip, from Vietnam.  Maybe more, maybe less, depending on where you left from in Taiwan and went to in Vietnam.  Let's not consider the fact, that there were MIG 15's in Vietnam, capable of shooting down a Huey!

He wouldn't have been the navigator by any chance?

[radiochaser]

2 minutes ago, sungod said:

He wouldn't have been the navigator by any chance?

Could be.  I don't know.  He said he was one of the rescue force.  

 

But he was positive that the helicopter flew from Taiwan and not Thailand!

 

If he had said it was Thailand. I would have asked where in Thailand. 

 

I don't remember if I asked what unit he was in.  

 

 

[Wake Up]

On 8/28/2018 at 12:39 PM, ChrisY1 said:

Great idea....allow tourists to see where Thailand allowed torture by foreign agencies!

“Allowed.” Read more history and you will understand that is not a fair depiction of what occurred. Thais are proud of never being colonized. There are reasons why they were “allowed” to keep their sovereignty and also why land was taken from them by colonialists countries. Tough times and easy to sit today and judge the past of others. 

[bendejo]

2 hours ago, radiochaser said:

But he was positive that the helicopter flew from Taiwan and not Thailand!

 

Could be just plain confused.  When you travel and take commercial flights you have to know where you're going, but when you're made to board a plane that's drops you off somewhere unfamiliar...

Americans are notoriously bad at geography.  Austria and Australia are the same place, right?

 

There is a place for people faking it, http://guardianofvalor.com/hall-of-shame/

and you've no doubt heard of the Stolen Valor laws.  IMO you gotta be real stupid to go around in a fake uniform and think you can get away with it.

A little while back there was this movie called Ronin with Robert DeNiro, seemed to be playing constantly in every expat bar and on TV in Pattaya.  After I finally sat down and watched the whole thing I suspect a certain scene in it that relates to this post is one reason it was so popular.

 

 

[mike324]

I do know for a fact that the special forces training center in lopburi has an ice chamber?!

[bheard]

Read the book on Kindle "The Ramasun Files" by M H Burton to realise it's no fairy tale.

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[radiochaser]

14 minutes ago, bheard said:

Read the book on Kindle "The Ramasun Files" by M H Burton to realise it's no fairy tale.

Sent from my H4133 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app
 

He posted in one of the ASA facebook groups, that he was allowing free downloads for kindle.    I thought it was just for ASA people though.  

I don't have kindle though.  

[radiochaser]

46 minutes ago, mike324 said:

I do know for a fact that the special forces training center in lopburi has an ice chamber?!

What is a Special Forces ice chamber?

I don't recall hearing about something like that. 

[mike324]

1 hour ago, radiochaser said:

What is a Special Forces ice chamber?

I don't recall hearing about something like that. 

 

its exactly what it sounds like, apparently its for "training" use. Well if I know about it, it can't be a secret cell used for torture.

[radiochaser]

1 minute ago, mike324 said:

 

its exactly what it sounds like, apparently its for "training" use. Well if I know about it, it can't be a secret cell used for torture.

That is what I first thought, then denied that to myself thinking it could not be that simple.

 

[bheard]

He posted in one of the ASA facebook groups, that he was allowing free downloads for kindle.    I thought it was just for ASA people though.  

I don't have kindle though.  

Actually it's just one of a number of books telling if experiences in that arena. "The Ravens" by Christopher Robbins and "Air America in Laos" by Stephen I Nichols are examples. All interesting reading!

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[radiochaser]

21 hours ago, bheard said:

Actually it's just one of a number of books telling if experiences in that arena. "The Ravens" by Christopher Robbins and "Air America in Laos" by Stephen I Nichols are examples. All interesting reading!

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I experienced some of the things that some have written about in that area, during that era.  

I was with ASA from 1969 - 1973.  Vietnam, Thailand. 

 

 

[RKASA]

On 8/28/2018 at 5:28 PM, CLW said:

This is a serious question: Are there any sites in Thailand from WW2 or the Vietnam era worth visiting?

No most of the best brothels have long be closed.

[watcharacters]

On 8/29/2018 at 11:37 AM, radiochaser said:

I met a guy in Santa Cruz, California.  Told me he was a Vietnam vet.  While talking to him, he told me that he was with an Army unit that flew, in a Huey Helicopter, from Taiwan to Vietnam to rescue some POW's.  I said, "you mean you flew from Thailand". 

No, he said, from Taiwan.  I asked, "do you mean you flew, in a Huey, from the island of Taiwan to Vietnam, rescued POW's, and flew back to Taiwan with them.  Yep, he says.  Where did your helicopter refuel at, I asked.  He said they flew round trip from Taiwan on the fuel in their tanks that were filled at Taiwan!   I just walked away!

At most, a Huey has a 200 Nautical mile range, one way, and maybe less that that, depending on the particular helicopter, the pilots flying skills, the weather, and the take off weight.  

Taiwan is around 1,800 nautical miles, round trip, from Vietnam.  Maybe more, maybe less, depending on where you left from in Taiwan and went to in Vietnam.  Let's not consider the fact, that there were MIG 15's in Vietnam, capable of shooting down a Huey!

 

I hope you were wearing sufficiently high waders while talking  with the fellow.

 

Sounds like  it was piled on deep.

[radiochaser]

12 hours ago, watcharacters said:

 

I hope you were wearing sufficiently high waders while talking  with the fellow.

 

Sounds like  it was piled on deep.

Thanks for the warning, but too late.  

I was with one guy and he took me to where two others were, I forget why.  We found the other two sitting facing each other and sitting on a rail road track and we sat next two them.  

So, the BS was knee deep and we were sitting  about 8 inches above the railroad bed.