"So sorry about that" says "drunk" British woman after claiming she was raped on Koh Phangan

[cyberfarang]

14 minutes ago, Vacuum said:

It's just you. It's very possible to forget things after a piss-up.

True.

 

It is possible to aggressively attack someone else while drunk, it is possible to kill someone while driving under the influence of alcohol, it is possible to commit rape while drunk, it is possible to rob someone while drunk and it is possible to falsely claim rape while drunk.

 

Are you suggesting people that commit criminal acts while drunk should be treated more leniently or let off the hook?

 

Some women that have behaved badly and been tumbled have been known to try and cover up by claiming they were either too drunk or drugged to have known what they were doing and in extreme cases even claimed they were raped to protect their reputations. 

 

I think it was last year in Britain, when a girl went to a hotel with a well known footballer and ended up having sex with him and his friend. Later she claimed to have been drunk and taken advantage off. The footballer was changed with rape. It was only when CCT footage was found that she proven to be a liar and the guy found not guilty. No legal action was taken against the girl.

[Sheryl]

This gal is in trouble. Election wise is the junta smart to forgive her or go after her for the jugular?. 

As I read the article she never made a formal charge. In fact did not even herself go to the police. So there is hardly anything to go after her for.

 

What seems to have happened is that she thought something might have happened and told her father who in turn called the British Embassy. At which point they and the RTP sprang uncharacteristically into action and made a thorough investigation. And then went to pains to widely publicize the matter which for sure is related to the Koh Tao business.

 

Someone mistakenly thinking a crime might have occurred and it turns out it didn't, is far from unusual. Sometimes people think money or jrwelry has been stolen and a search of their room finds it somewhere they stashed and forgot it. Sometimes people report someone missing or even kidnapped and they turn out to be fine. It happens and would not normally make the papers.

 

 

It is not as if she filed charges against anyone, she did not.

 

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[Vacuum]

5 minutes ago, cyberfarang said:

Are you suggesting people that commit criminal acts while drunk should be treated more leniently or let off the hook?

Certainly not! I was 'educating' one poster about total loss of memory after drinking. Happened to me a few times, not a good feeling.

[geriatrickid]

21 hours ago, MadMuhammad said:

Let’s see all the humble apologies and retractions of abusive and incorrect statements  toward the RTP. Oh wait....... 555

She didn't claim  wrongdoing by the RTP.   She did not even make a police report. She told her  father, who reported the event. She was summoned for the investigatio,

Her allegation was made in respect to another farang

 

Do you see the difference now, between this  and the other cases involving violence and non investigation?

[Sheryl]

Did she claim she was raped or did she just go to the police suspecting she might have been raped? The article isn’t clear. 

Neither from the way the article reads. Thought she might have been raped and told her father who called the Embassy here .

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[mauGR1]

On other news, the Police seems not to be very happy about the English girl's claims.

[brianthainess]

I,m a bit concerned for myself, as i woke up this morning and all my clothes were on the floor. ???? and i did have 2 large leo last night.

Edited September 25, 2018 by brianthainess
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[holy cow cm]

1 hour ago, Sheryl said:

As I read the article she never made a formal charge. In fact did not even herself go to the police. So there is hardly anything to go after her for.

 

What seems to have happened is that she thought something might have happened and told her father who in turn called the British Embassy. At which point they and the RTP sprang uncharacteristically into action and made a thorough investigation. And then went to pains to widely publicize the matter which for sure is related to the Koh Tao business.

 

Someone mistakenly thinking a crime might have occurred and it turns out it didn't, is far from unusual. Sometimes people think money or jrwelry has been stolen and a search of their room finds it somewhere they stashed and forgot it. Sometimes people report someone missing or even kidnapped and they turn out to be fine. It happens and would not normally make the papers.

 

 

It is not as if she filed charges against anyone, she did not.

 

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Unfortunately it doesn't have to have anything formal as TIT and defamation for making Thailand look bad is a fun game for them. I personally think they will drop the issue. . 

[johnarth]

22 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Did she claim she was raped or did she just go to the police suspecting she might have been raped? The article isn’t clear. 

That would clear up a lot. but then no story no crime to solve

[Just Weird]

On ‎9‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 12:40 PM, darksidedog said:

Extremely fortunate! Plenty of people have been charged for making false allegations about many things, lesser than this. To wander off without consequence seems to be amazingly lucky.

Perhaps it was clear to the police that she genuinely thought something had happened and that she was just as genuinely remorseful about having made her uncorroborated accusation, as opposed to others (and another in particular recently) that kept banging on about their unlikely story with just as much evidence as this girl, i.e. none so far.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, DeeMak9 said:

FYI, if GHB is used there is absolutely no chance theres a trace of it left after a few hours.

What's that revelation got to do with this?   Even is she had taken GHB she hadn't been raped!

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, JusticeGB said:

She should be named and shamed and her photo shown to prevent others from making false claims. What about the true rapes that are never followed up because of idiots like her!

Why?  She apologised and admitted that she made a mistake! 

 

Which "true rapes" are never followed up, could you be more specific or are you making an unjustifiable allegation just for the hell of it?

Edited September 25, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, falangjim said:

What a horrible, irresponsible beast.  

Don't be so hard on her, she did apologise.

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, NanLaew said:

Consistency! Nice to see that non-victim blaming gets as much bandwidth on TV as victim blaming.

 

What I take away from this story is how the diligent and professional Koh Phangan police adhered to procedures, took her statement, collated the evidence and took their time to jointly view the cctv footage before mutually agreeing that bugger all of the sort happened. I guess maybe these guys weren't on duty back in late June when the other lass allegedly got rolled on the beach at Koh Tao.

 

Doesn't the statute of limitations on that rape claim expire today or tomorrow? Is Big Joke still over there doing his friendly interview thing?

My betting is that she (Baxter) will start shouting again as soon as she knows there's no more that can be done due to the SOL and she won't have to suffer the ignominy that may follow her being interviewed by the police.

Edited September 25, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Galactus said:

why doing a drug test for a might be rape victim???

just to say like, 'hey, this girl was doing drugs etc etc'

what a nonsense! 

To see if she had been drugged by a third party, perhaps?

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, AGareth2 said:

cctv shows no evidence

so it works

now why does cctv not work at other times?

makes me wonder

"now why does cctv not work at other times?"

Because other CCTV is not the same CCTV as was used in this case!

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, bristolgeoff said:

Name and shame her would be a good start too

Why?  She made a genuine mistake and admitted it.  And apologised.

[Just Weird]

21 hours ago, alien365 said:

(Head in hands...) It's the usual rhetoric we hear when a Thai is caught doing something. They apologise to their own country or for affecting tourism.  Personally I hope she gets punished for this. You can't put such a strong fictitious claim out there and expect no repercussion. Just like with that Musk guy. You can't call someone a paedo and get away with it if it is unfounded.

She hasn't named anyone as a rapist, not publicly, at least.  Not much to get away with there.

[Miss Pickle]

These young girls go out to these islands and drink buckets of all sorts of booze totally irresponsible. She should have a think about this and never touch another bit of alcohol. My son was at a full moon party a few years ago and had to pull a young unconscious girl from the water who had passed out she was so drunk. If they had not turned up she would have been dead for sure it was on a very quiet part of the beach but lucky for her the hotel they stayed at was near it. What a time waster seems they claim rape if they don’t know what happened the night before.

[Just Weird]

21 hours ago, Oziex1 said:

Hmm, so how does this work, A women who can't remember anything and likely was not assaulted gets the full cooperation from the cops, who apparently go about their business in a methodical manner.

 

A woman who reports she was assaulted on Koh Tao gets stonewalled in every way.

 

Different methods to show there was no rape.

The differences are that this one went to the police, was interviewed by the police (not a British rag), was sent to hospital for rape check and drug test which were negative, then apologised.  Is it any wonder she got full co-operation!  The other one you refer did not get stonewalled.

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, dunroaming said:

The problem is it gives a lot of ammunition to the Thai authorities who constantly try to rebuke genuine claims of rape by foreigners in Thailand.

Garbage, unless you can point to a case, of course.

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, hottrader77 said:

who said she was raped in her room ? nobody has interviewed the british guy who she was talking to and see what he says happened she might have been drugged and  raped near the swimming pool , then the rapist left her there and after she woke up and went back to her room alone , and left her knickers on the bed and fell asleep , but apart from that there is no evidence , she apparantly has got pissed up at the pool while talking to a british guy and gone to her room alone 

No evidence of there not being a rape?  How about the hospital examination?

 

There's no need to talk to the British man, she knows that she as not raped!

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

Sounds excactly like the girl on koh tao to me 

Sounds more like the complete opposite!

[Just Weird]

22 hours ago, Sheryl said:

There would still be forensic evidence of rape though. And from the article it sounds like she had no actual recollection of rape either.   Plus  there is apparently CCTV footage showing no one else entered the room with her or after her.  Seems clear no rape (nor consensual sex) occurred.

 

Unusual that it was so promptly and thoroughly investigated and I have not heard before of British Embassy officials travelling down to be present at meetings with police. I wonder if the hoopla about the Koh Tao case has prodded them into action? (And, to be cynical, the fact that the possible suspect was a farang may have helped from RTP persepctive?).

And, to be cynical, the fact that the possible suspect was a farang may have helped from RTP persepctive?

Really?  What nationality was the phantom Koh Tao "rapist" alleged to be, then?

 

Or, to be cynical, what nationality was "Martin"?

Edited September 25, 2018 by Just Weird

[Just Weird]

21 hours ago, Derek B said:

A good use of hotel CCTV and lucky that it was still available unlike that other recent case. After agreeing to be medically examined locally I bet she was happy with the result.

The CCTV was available because she didn't wait weeks to start shouting about it like the other one did!

[Just Weird]

19 hours ago, maxcorrigan said:

Does seem a bit far fetched as other posters have pointed out, girl cries rape police immediately swing into action, girl taken to hospital finds no evidence of rape. cctv cameras checked out all working nothing amiss, girl apologises and admits she is in the wrong,  in other words everything  is in order  and police doing  their job, cameras working, hospital does a thorough job, all seems a bit like the honest taxi drivers syndrome, this all seemed to materialise after the other Brit girl cries rape on KT that the joke said there was no proof of rape!

"...joke said there was no proof of rape!

He was right.  And there still isn't!

[Just Weird]

18 hours ago, sanemax said:

Sometimes CCTV cameras are working and sometimes they are broken .

And most of the time, after a certain period, they are taped over, as per normal.

[Sheryl]

And, to be cynical, the fact that the possible suspect was a farang may have helped from RTP persepctive?
Really?  What nationality was the phantom Koh Tao "rapist" alleged to be, then?
 
Or, to be cynical, what nationality was "Martin"?

The woman on Koh Tao teports waking up on the beach with a Thai man beside her and injuries ariund the rectum indicating anal sex. Assuming he was the rapist and not someone who came along afterwards then the answer to your first question is, Thai. I don't understand the second question.

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[Just Weird]

14 hours ago, Catkiwi said:

correct, her father made the complaint.

But she obviously carried through with it by being interviewed by the police and medically examined, that's probably classed as effectively making a complaint in this kind of case.

[Just Weird]

6 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

The woman on Koh Tao teports waking up on the beach with a Thai man beside her and injuries ariund the rectum indicating anal sex. Assuming he was the rapist and not someone who came along afterwards then the answer to your first question is, Thai. I don't understand the second question.

She didn't.  She said that when she woke up a man was standing over her, she did not say that he was beside her or that he was a Thai!  Listen to her Times interview.

 

Martin was the one who took her, drunk, to the beach as opposed to seeing her safely home as he had told her friends he would do.