1 minute ago, LomSak27 said:

 

“colonial ambition”, Way too  ‘Euro Conspiracy theory’ tripe. Thailand got off from paying the rice reparations to Malaysia Singapore, because they scammed a “shortage – famine”, (what did you expect),  in their own country.

 

“Britain regarded Thailand as having been partly responsible for the damage dealt to the Allied cause and favored treating the kingdom as a defeated enemy. However, the US had no sympathy for what they considered British and French colonialism and supported the new government. Thailand thus received little punishment for its wartime role under Phibun”.

 

Americas colonial ambition was little more than no sympathy for the Old Colonialism

All correct.  The Thai ambassador to USA also refused to deliver the declaration of war on USA too.   That would have helped.   I think they maybe did actually get to declare war on G.B.  Cant remember and too lazy/busy to look it up now.  And yet, 70 years later, America is one of the big Three colonial aspirants.  USA, Russia and Islam!!!!

"“He resented being scolded by the couple,”

 

Sorry azz excuse for a brother. May he rot in jail.

13 hours ago, theguyfromanotherforum said:

Confession! 

 

Punishment will probably be halved to 250b and half a wai

How's Canada going?

 Missing Thailand?

   And the Thai-centric forums and Rent-a-Print-Standard replies?

RIP to the victims in a truly tragic case.

Edited September 26, 20187 yr by thaiguzzi

5 minutes ago, The Deerhunter said:

  And yet, 70 years later, America is one of the big Three colonial aspirants.  USA, Russia and Islam!!!!

What is an aspirant ?? pray tell where they aspire too and how are they making it a "colony" ?? You are using centuries old concepts that do not make sense in the modern world.

 

Granted the USA does want British Columbia, but due to the CIA's hold on Tim Hortons and Mac and Cheese supplies, the US already controls it. 

Edited September 26, 20187 yr by LomSak27

side effect of putting msg, fish sauce, oyster sauce and other crap on their fake food because they are thai ?

mixed with alcohol & ya ba

11 hours ago, gerritkaew said:

So sad,

you want to spent your years with your loved ones and get killed by your brother in law??

whats becoming off thailand, its not like 10 or 20 years ago when thing like this not happening...

R.I.P People.

Ive been around in Thailand for close to 40 years and now i hear this discussion about 'Farang/Thai' relationships....................

My thoughts are that 40 -30- 20 years ago there wasn't quite the number of Farangs living as ex-pats............. I think the number has grown a lot in, let's say the last 20 years........ Many farangs, while in Military, met and married Thai wifes and took them to their home countries............ Only to move to Thailand in recent years in 'Retirement' as ex-pats...........

BUT THE REAL 'EYE-OPENER' is....... when you consider that we didn't have....... UNTIL recent years...... Social media and 'such agressive' news reporting ............... until 'RECENT YEARS''..............................

So it could have been happening and we didn't hear so much............. OR.........  Maybe it didn't happen so much in the past...............

R.I.P. to both.  The Police did an excellent job here. They should be promoted, and put in charge in Koh Tao.

2 hours ago, kensisaket said:

As a general rule it isn't the foreigner who flaunts his wealth; but, a very large majority of their wives become "HiSo" overnight.  

Exactly.   Maybe not flaunted, but assumed "Hiso" and living the "good life. 

 

It must be painful for Thai patriarchs (with an ego), if they are belittled or compared (by family and friends) to the new farrang in the family, or new neighbour, and can't compete or provide in a similar way.

I think those saying the couple were killed because of the way they lived just might be the same people who say a woman got raped because of the way she looked.

21 minutes ago, LomSak27 said:

What is an aspirant ?? pray tell where they aspire too and how are they making it a "colony" ?? You are using centuries old concepts that do not make sense in the modern world.

 

Granted the USA does want British Columbia, but due to the CIA's hold on Tim Hortons and Mac and Cheese supplies, the US already controls it. 

Modern colonialism is still the same as the old style but managed differently. It involves moving in, in either a physical or digital sense and taking control of a country's economy,  it's most valuable natural resource, shipping choke points  or location in terms of positioning overseas military bases   And I am wrong.  China is the 4th huge  colonial aspirant at the moment. Go into YouTube and type    "China road and belt"  That will keep you busy for a while.  The U.S. in Guam and The Philippines and China in Djibouti and Malaysia (this one; as we speak), are three prime examples.  There is one You tube vid detailing five countries China has virtually bankrupted in order to control lately.  But we are way off topic by now.

Edited September 26, 20187 yr by The Deerhunter

10 minutes ago, Development at Khaoyai said:

R.I.P. to both.  The Police did an excellent job here. They should be promoted, and put in charge in Koh Tao.

the brother didn't really make it difficult for the police and i fail to see what KT has to do with it

'Scolded' as a reason for murder- the actions of a spoilt brat not a middle aged man. One article reported him as the 'mastermind' of this disgusting double murder- I think they should have looked up the definition of 'mastermind' before utlising it. 

 

The wife looks like a quiet inoffensive little lady who had found happiness.

 

I feel very sad for the two of them who clearly had the burden of greedy relatives that they would not pander to-ultimately leading to their demise..

I'm worried, who's feeding the ducks? :-((

3 minutes ago, CanuckThai said:

Exactly.   Maybe not flaunted, but assumed "Hiso" and living the "good life. 

 

It must be painful for Thai patriarchs (with an ego), if they are belittled or compared (by family and friends) to the new farrang in the family, or new neighbour, and can't compete or provide in a similar way.

QUITE SO.................... I agree ......... But... Many Thai families do live 'Happily on' and not want to kill their 'benefactors' OR their own family members (sister in this case)............ 

I, after 40 years have just developed a distrust (and just my own personal thing) for the 'TYPICAL' Thai man............ NOT ALL mind you....... BUT.... I do scrutinize 'Thai men' closely...... whether it is cases like this, Rapes. girls with babies and no Father (support) for baby..... etc.......   

I FIND:  such a large percent (not 100%) of Thai men (young and old) who do not work and live off their 'wife's' income........... Commonly known in Thailand as 'Mang-daa's................ (Mang-daa is that giant cochroach found around outdoor toilets)........

I am a firm believer in Percentages.......... and what I see in 'Thai men' is depressing............. PLEASE don't take me wrong..... I Know GOOD Thai Men........ I am considering 'PERCENTAGES'................

Thai people are all about flaunting wealth, all you have to look at is the number of red plates over 3 months old. That man seemed meek enough. Just jelousy. He seems to be good a digging holes with a digger, we'll see how good he is with his handsif he gets hard labour. RIP in the twilight of their lives.

3 hours ago, mercman24 said:

i have a friend from the UK, had a farm and a son in Chang Rai, maybe 5 years ago, he was met by his wifes 2 brothers, who said if he did not walk away he would be buried on the farm, no questions asked. needless to say he walked away back to the UK

 

It was never his farm to begin with.... 

Worst case Scenario: The wife's family will inherit the land, property, cattle's, duck's and everything on the farm, and use the money to get the killer Warut Wattanasajjakit and his hit-men out of jail.

12 hours ago, Enoon said:

 

The question of how (generally poor) Thai people perceive foreigners wealth (what constitutes "flaunting") and how foreigners (living among those Thai people) perceive their own wealth (and what constitutes flaunting) is well worth a discussion away from the emotive arena that has been set up on this particular thread.

 

I was told by a Thai person, 8 years ago, that it takes surprisingly little (by forum members oft expressed economic expectations/standards) to be perceived as arrogant and overmighty.

 

 

 

Totally agree. I often wonder how my relatives perceive me. My missus tells me that they slag her (and presumably me) for being tight with them. From my perspective I live modestly despite being well off....but I (my wife) has a 10 million baht house, We drive a pick up (brand new) and a Ford Fiesta (which is a dreadful car). But her brothers have no money at all in their pockets most of the time, and when they have any, it goes on cigs and booze. My wife paid for the entire education of her niece up to university, and then I paid for her university. I am now funding a nephew through uni.

I rented land for one brother in law, bought a Kubota etc for him so he could grow rice at a cost of 300K to try to make him self sufficient.....but he is probably the laziest person in the world...and so never makes any money. I just paid for the party for a novice monk (another nephew) at a net cost of 100K after getting most of the envelopes.

We pay her mother a monthly sum and I gave her 20K this year to fix up her house.

I've paid for kidney dialysis and many other emergencies...and apart from the kidney dialysis have received no thanks at all.....

 

So having dumped probably about 2 million baht into the family over the past few years l I am still seen as tight by all the family and get no thanks at all.

 

My wife has recently scolded her brother and his wife off in front of the family and has cut them of from all money in the future. She will not go back to the village even to visit her mother she is so sick of her family.. 

 

Overall this murder has made me think about how vulnerable I am to this sort of thing and made me thing about how we are perceived by the family. I am well off by any standard but I have to make provision for my wife after  I die and I do have another family back in the UK. My pension is easily enough to live on, but I have alimony payments to my ex and financial support of my grown up kids (house deposits and the like). This means I am eating into my savings....I do resent it therefore when I am called tight by the family and I feel like telling them to <delete> off.

 

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

You're only kidding yourself on that the US is the good guy pal.   

 

I never said they were the good guy - You said that   

 

You went form Colonial ambitions post WWII to neo colonial, then backtracking it to no colonies but stealing resources so fast so fast it made my head swim ......  I have to go out for some Quiteo Bed, its getting lunch time. That should give you time to figure out what you mean
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For all the talk about being a "millionaire" this guy had a nice house, great on the inside, but pretty low key. Interesting how the media are framing it He's a "millionaire" and all the camp followers are chiming in with He was playing PU YAI Farang among poor people. Who the heck knows any of this ... Who has some first hand facts about him in Phrae and can verify any of this?  No one so far.  

 

 

11 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Totally agree.

I rented land for one brother in law, bought a Kubota etc for him so he could grow rice at a cost of 300K to try to make him self sufficient.....but he is probably the laziest person in the world...and so never makes any money. I just paid for the party for a novice monk (another nephew) at a net cost of 100K after getting most of the envelopes.

We pay her mother a monthly sum and I gave her 20K this year to fix up her house.

I've paid for kidney dialysis and many other emergencies...and apart from the kidney dialysis have received no thanks at all.....

 

So having dumped probably about 2 million baht into the family over the past few years l I am still seen as tight by all the family and get no thanks at all.

 

 

 

The problem is now they think you have the magic money tree.

Some people could be grateful, others would be just envious.

Stay safe out there.

15 hours ago, poohy said:

63 and cant handle being scolded utter madness !

 

didn't want any money, thats good cause he cant spend over the next 20 years in prison

oh while we are here now about this brother

 

now how much did the rest of the family know?

Everything....

14 hours ago, thequietman said:

It's called FACE and it is and continues to be, the downfall of this country.

 

Lovely country but needs a population transplant.

Or brain transplants. 

40 minutes ago, Pedrogaz said:

Totally agree. I often wonder how my relatives perceive me. My missus tells me that they slag her (and presumably me) for being tight with them. From my perspective I live modestly despite being well off....but I (my wife) has a 10 million baht house, We drive a pick up (brand new) and a Ford Fiesta (which is a dreadful car). But her brothers have no money at all in their pockets most of the time, and when they have any, it goes on cigs and booze. My wife paid for the entire education of her niece up to university, and then I paid for her university. I am now funding a nephew through uni.

I rented land for one brother in law, bought a Kubota etc for him so he could grow rice at a cost of 300K to try to make him self sufficient.....but he is probably the laziest person in the world...and so never makes any money. I just paid for the party for a novice monk (another nephew) at a net cost of 100K after getting most of the envelopes.

We pay her mother a monthly sum and I gave her 20K this year to fix up her house.

I've paid for kidney dialysis and many other emergencies...and apart from the kidney dialysis have received no thanks at all.....

 

So having dumped probably about 2 million baht into the family over the past few years l I am still seen as tight by all the family and get no thanks at all.

 

My wife has recently scolded her brother and his wife off in front of the family and has cut them of from all money in the future. She will not go back to the village even to visit her mother she is so sick of her family.. 

 

Overall this murder has made me think about how vulnerable I am to this sort of thing and made me thing about how we are perceived by the family. I am well off by any standard but I have to make provision for my wife after  I die and I do have another family back in the UK. My pension is easily enough to live on, but I have alimony payments to my ex and financial support of my grown up kids (house deposits and the like). This means I am eating into my savings....I do resent it therefore when I am called tight by the family and I feel like telling them to <delete> off.

 

Well tell them and upstakes and move else where to a safe haven. 

3 hours ago, Moti24 said:

That doesn't surprise me!  Apparently, the latest Thai craze is tugging-off whilst driving.

They can't even get that right as it's much more fun with two

13 hours ago, samsensam said:

 

indeed; but it's all relative, to an average village dwelling thai someone, thai or foreign, with two cars and a decent house with a swimming pool would be seen as a wealthy person, but to your average westerner probability not so.

 

this is, of course, one of the main reasons why so many thai women (and men) from a poorer less educated background are attracted to foreigners. and not because they have arrived in thailand and suddenly become hansum.

Two cars, a decent house and a swimming pool makes them wealthy to me as well!  RIP Alan and Nott.

Just now, Father Fintan Stack said:

Since Thailand was never a British or French colony the argument not punishing Thailand for WWII crimes because of the US being against colonialism is a nonsensical one. 

 

Now you have something to argue about.

 

I'm more  concerned about how the Newspaper framed this tragic double killing with "Millionaire". This is a clear cut ugly murder and they try to sidetrack that fact. It doesn't help that the minions come in on que to bark the same tune.. So he has more than a million Euros/pounds/Dollars ?   No kidding? Where did that come from?  Any Facts and by the way, and what does that have to do with the murder?   

 

15 hours ago, moe666 said:

More than likely borrowing money and finally told no. The Brit had the right to spend his money as he saw fit but why flaunt your wealth in a poor country next to poor relatives.

 

Were the relatives "poor"?

 

Apparently the couple were killed because the brother felt annoyed about being spoken down to. He was able to afford BHT50k to hire killers. 

 

Loss of 'face' was the main motive here (and of course the inane thought process).     

22 minutes ago, NeilSA1 said:

Apparently the couple were killed because the brother felt annoyed about being spoken down to.

 

Says the murderer .... Why would I believe him. 

I don't buy his pathetic excuse as being true any more than I believe in the tooth fairy. I just don't see that the Brit guy would be a Thai scolding specialist throwing out scolds left, right and centre in fluent Thai demeaning this guy until he lost all self respect and flew into an uncontrollable rage, oh, wait a minute, it was premeditated, with hired help, so it was planned, a little over zealous for a scolding then and as the daughter starts her probes, she will probably find a lot more missing than the pick-up, probably a series of things that he just needed to fund his escape, Yabba, booze, girlfriends, petrol, murder plot nights etc. etc.

6 hours ago, robblok said:

I actually disagree and agree with you *LOL*. 

 

I for one find the Thais in Pattaya where there are many foreigners a lot less friendly then in my area where there are a lot less foreigners. I would say foreigner concentrations build resentment for sure. You see it in other countries too in Spain there are area's where they don't want any English people anymore as they change the local value's too much. So it can work both ways. I can see your scenario happen too.

 

I live here among Thais (same style house so no obvious wealth though the house is better maintained then others and never have a problem. Besides one crazy neighbor... but the others are nice. Its not a matter of him being anti foreigner.. its just that he is an ass and other neighbors agree. I can see if you flaunt wealth (no victim blaming here as I am not talking about this case here) in a real poor area it could of course build resentment. 

I wasn't thinking of Bangkok when I made that comment. I was thinking more of sparsely populated rural communities.

 

Regarding nasty neighbours - one is enough to ruin your life. I had lots of great neighbours, but that one caused nightmares. That one bad one turned everyone else against us. I'm glad I didn't own the place I had to leave.