8 hours ago, webfact said:

"I will give you a million dollars to your favourite charity, paid for by Trump, if you take the test and it shows you're an Indian," he said. "I have a feeling she will say 'no.'"

Time to pay up or shut up trump...

7 hours ago, lupin said:

The DNA results released by Elizabeth Warren show she is approximately 1/512 (0.1%) Native American, with a single ancestor, from around 400 years ago, possibly being Native American...

 

do we really accept that 0.1% legitimizes claims of being Native American?

Yes.

8 hours ago, webfact said:

Warren's release of the results was criticized by Cherokee Nation Secretary of State Chuck Hoskin Jr., who said; "Using a DNA test to lay claim to any connection to the Cherokee Nation or any tribal nation, even vaguely, is inappropriate and wrong."

LOL. Seems the Native Americans don't want her.

 

DNA testing can reveal almost everything, so it should prove the 1700 claim one way or another.

Regardless, a tiny part of one race does not give anyone claim to be part of that race. We are all mongrels if one goes back far enough, and of course, we all originated in Africa.

Just now, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Seems the Native Americans don't want her.

 

DNA testing can reveal almost everything, so it should prove the 1700 claim one way or another.

Regardless, a tiny part of one race does not give anyone claim to be part of that race. We are all mongrels if one goes back far enough, and of course, we all originated in Africa.

It was trump who alleged she was making false claims. It was Trump who challenged her to prove it. Now that she has, he's reneging. First he denied he said it, not he's resetting the terms for honoring it.

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It was trump who alleged she was making false claims. It was Trump who challenged her to prove it. Now that she has, he's reneging. First he denied he said it, not he's resetting the terms for honoring it.

Quelle surprise

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

It was trump who alleged she was making false claims. It was Trump who challenged her to prove it. Now that she has, he's reneging. First he denied he said it, not he's resetting the terms for honoring it.

The test proves that she is no more Cherokee than I am. I could very well have a tiny part Spanish in my ancestry, but I wouldn't go making any claims to be a Spaniard even if I did. As I recall, she made the claim as part of a political campaign, and has got called out on it. Even the members of her "tribe" don't want her.

2 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The test proves that she is no more Cherokee than I am. I could very well have a tiny part Spanish in my ancestry, but I wouldn't go making any claims to be a Spaniard even if I did. As I recall, she made the claim as part of a political campaign, and has got called out on it. Even the members of her "tribe" don't want her.

Since no one has taken a DNA test of you as far as i'm aware. you only betray your misunderstanding of genetics by making such an assertio And, once again you recall wrongly. Actually it was Scott Brown, her opponent in a Senate race that raised the issue. You know, you could look this stuff up instead of making it up by using something called google on something called the internet.

5 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Since no one has taken a DNA test of you as far as i'm aware. you only betray your misunderstanding of genetics by making such an assertio And, once again you recall wrongly. Actually it was Scott Brown, her opponent in a Senate race that raised the issue. You know, you could look this stuff up instead of making it up by using something called google on something called the internet.

Well, I do know that DNA testing revealed we all came from Africa, so it goes to prove we are all Africans, to use the Warren requirements of "belonging" to any ethnicity we choose to embrace.

 

 

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2017/dec/01/facts-behind-elizabeth-warren-and-her-native-ameri/

Warren’s central offense dates back to the mid 1980s, when she first formally notified law school administrators that her family tree includes Native Americans.

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Warren’s heritage wasn’t something she brought up during her 2012 Senate race against Republican Scott Brown.

The questions started with a Boston Herald story on April 27, 2012.

 

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Warren’s opponent Scott Brown jumped on the revelations and called on her to apologize for Harvard having touted her dubious ethnic roots. Brown also said she had used an invented minority status to make herself more attractive to law schools.

Warren refused to apologize, saying she didn’t know Harvard was promoting her that way. She did confirm, however, that she had told the law school association that she held a minority status.

 

8 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL. Seems the Native Americans don't want her.

 

DNA testing can reveal almost everything, so it should prove the 1700 claim one way or another.

Regardless, a tiny part of one race does not give anyone claim to be part of that race. We are all mongrels if one goes back far enough, and of course, we all originated in Africa.

PT doesn't believe her claim!  He also  said at the rally > He would discuss the wager after completing a test.  The test should be conducted at a debate on TV, if she was the candidate representing the DNC

 A native American also has some rather harsh views about her claim!

 

"No, these cretins in faux feather crowns must be criticized. Also, a DNA test doesn't make you Native and neither does family lore, but it does breed a parade of people who will use both for selfish gain".

"Warren claims now to have Native American heritage. And her claim to having such heritage -- versus a claim of actually being Native -- feels sneaky to me".

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/10/15/opinions/elizabeth-warren-native-heritage-where-has-she-been-moya-smith/index.html

"Warren's sample had a lot of markers that are common to European ancestry, and a few that are common to what the researchers think could be Native American ancestry. The reason Bustamante thinks Warren probably has a Native American ancestor is that some DNA segments in her sample matched with segments from people native to Mexico, Peru, and Colombia. Those similarities suggest Warren likely had a Native American relative about eight generations ago".

https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-science-2018-10

8 hours ago, iroc4life said:

Its funny she would release this knowing it proved him right lmao. The average American has +/-. 18 and she is less than that like .09, Trump is likely more Native American than she is. Hell my Son who is Thai/American shows 58% Southern Asian 42% European with 1.3% Native American mixed in there LMAO

Trump is from Germany. How do you think he acquires Native American genes - osmosis?

"In Warren's case, the test didn't conclusively say whether her DNA matches that of current Native American tribal populations in the US. The researchers said making that connection wouldn't be possible, since "Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population genetics studies."

https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-science-2018-10

1 hour ago, riclag said:

 The USA still is  a beacon for decency !

No, that all ended when the man-child moved into the WH.

3 minutes ago, Becker said:

No, that all ended when the man-child moved into the WH.

Your opinion, But the majority of American's are decent! To say otherwise is rubbish

I think it might be pointed out that not all the Cherokees were moved, along with other tribes during the, “Trail of Tears” forced westward migration. There were substantial numbers remaining in the Smokies where the Eastern Cherokees remain to this day.

You mean this trail of tears?
“But the most stunning discovery about the life of O.C. Sarah Smith Crawford is that her husband, Ms. Warren’s great-great-great grandfather, was apparently a member of the Tennessee Militia who rounded up Cherokees from their family homes in the Southeastern United States and herded them into government-built stockades in what was then called Ross’s Landing (now Chattanooga), Tennessee–the point of origin for the horrific Trail of Tears, which began in January, 1837.”
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2012/05/08/elizabeth-warren-ancestor-trail-of-tears/

 

2 hours ago, zydeco said:

Actually, scratch all that. It happens I am part Cherokee and Choctaw.  A helluva lot more than Warren is.  It would never occur to me to peddle that for any favors.  And, yes, I have not only photographs of my Cherokee ancestors but names, lineages, birthplaces, and death records.  It's not just "family lore."

Good...because it was pointed out more than once, that she didn't "peddle that for any favors"!

So you must be totally okay with her, now!

Oh and by the way: no one gives two hot $4!ts about your heritage, because you were never attacked about it, by the President of the USA!

Small but important difference between Chief Zydeco and Elisabeth Warren!

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The test proves that she is no more Cherokee than I am. I could very well have a tiny part Spanish in my ancestry, but I wouldn't go making any claims to be a Spaniard even if I did. As I recall, she made the claim as part of a political campaign, and has got called out on it. Even the members of her "tribe" don't want her.

It 

doesn't

matter

what 

you

probably

are!

 

Get it?!

But if you ever get attacked by a big mouth idiot, who challenges your Spanish- ancestry and you can prove it, I'd like to hear from you again!

2 hours ago, bristolboy said:

It was trump who alleged she was making false claims. It was Trump who challenged her to prove it. Now that she has, he's reneging. First he denied he said it, not he's resetting the terms for honoring it.

Okay, then Trump can pay out 1024th of a million dollars.

51 minutes ago, DM07 said:

Small but important difference between Chief Zydeco and Elisabeth Warren!

Uh, oh. Racist slur.

And here is the bottom line:  El Warren has been utterly devastated by this latest news.  She and those who support her have LOST.  She is being ridiculed, denounced, and criticized across the ideological and political spectrum.  A political goner.

2 minutes ago, zydeco said:

And here is the bottom line:  El Warren has been utterly devastated by this latest news.  She and those who support her have LOST.  She is being ridiculed, denounced, and criticized across the ideological and political spectrum.  A political goner.

Do you have sources that back that up ? I'm just sayin

1 minute ago, riclag said:

Do you have sources that back that up ? I'm just sayin

Well Cherokee nation is denouncing her, Democratic strategists asking why she pulled this stunt 3 weeks before the election, and native american academics wanting to know why Warren is dishonoring tribal sovereignty in deciding who belongs to Native American traditions and heritage. Run a simple search, you will be overwhelmed.  

 

9 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Okay, then Trump can pay out 1024th of a million dollars.

Trump said she had no ancestry and he would pay up if she could prove she did. In addition you're being misleading at best The DNA test said she could have a cherokee ancester in a range from 6-10 generatons back. So only if it were 10 generations would it be 1/1024. It could be as much as 1/32. Which would fit with the fact that she claims a great great great great grandmother being Cherokee. She never claimed more ancestry than that.

trump would lose many voters if he did a dna test, no more white supremacist vote once discovered he also is descended from africa probably like the rest of us oh and jesus

god too is also likely to have been african

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It could be as much as 1/32. Which would fit with the fact that she claims a great great great great grandmother being Cherokee.

See the three words that do not go together in your sentence?  "Could," "should," and "fact."

Edited October 16, 20187 yr by zydeco

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

See the three words that do not go together in your sentence?  "Could," "should," and "fact."

"In Warren's case, the test didn't conclusively say whether her DNA matches that of current Native American tribal populations in the US. The researchers said making that connection wouldn't be possible, since "Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population genetics studies."

https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-science-2018-10

1 minute ago, zydeco said:

See the three words that do not go together in your second sentence?  "Would," "should," and "fact."

It as a fact that she claims her great great great great grandmother was Cherokee. 

And anybody who writes this:

"And here is the bottom line:  El Warren has been utterly devastated by this latest news.  She and those who support her have LOST.  She is being ridiculed, denounced, and criticized across the ideological and political spectrum.  A political goner."

clearly believes facts are the same as wishful thinking.
 

Just now, riclag said:

"In Warren's case, the test didn't conclusively say whether her DNA matches that of current Native American tribal populations in the US. The researchers said making that connection wouldn't be possible, since "Native American groups within the US have not chosen to participate in recent population genetics studies."

https://www.businessinsider.com/elizabeth-warren-dna-test-science-2018-10

Yes, saw that. Her consultant used Indians from Peru and Colombia, I think. American Indians weren't consulted, nor their criteria.

3 minutes ago, zydeco said:

Yes, saw that. Her consultant used Indians from Peru and Colombia, I think. American Indians weren't consulted, nor their criteria.

Since their criteria have nothing to do with the science genetics, but are cultural why would her consultant use them? He's a scientist.

Just now, bristolboy said:

Since their criteria have nothing to do with the science genetics, but are cultural why would her consultant use them? He's a scientist.

 

10 hours ago, lupin said:

The DNA results released by Elizabeth Warren show she is approximately 1/512 (0.1%) Native American, with a single ancestor, from around 400 years ago, possibly being Native American...

 

do we really accept that 0.1% legitimizes claims of being Native American?

If true, it certainly means she is part native American. why would you think otherwise? She is not trying to lay claim to Cherokee benefits; that requires more like 1/16th or more.