British family's heartbreaking plea to get body home after father-of-five dies in Thailand

[bluesofa]

33 minutes ago, colinneil said:

Are you joking about the British embassy?

All the embassy will say is .... Not our problem.

They will only tell you about the administrative Thai hurdles you need to clear in order to get the body released for repatriation.

[geronimo]

19 hours ago, jossthaifarang said:

It's so hard for me to understand, how a man can do such a thing to his children. His youngest will grow up without ever knowing his father, which is bad enough but the other four will never forget this, and at some point may even begin thinking it may have somehow been there fault. 

 

Really selfish thing to do mate..

He could do such a thing to his children because of his state of mind. We don't all see things from the same perspective ...

[Mad mick]

RIP sad to read but lots of people suffer with mental illness

not selfish take your own life depression is a disease in there head they believe its only way out of pain suffering and release the family burden, i have lost some friends they come happy talk smile you think they are OK but in some cases have already decided time to go

your right embassy will assist with a funeral overseas..

personally as other have quoted cremate him in Thailand bring ashes home, save money hes gone most people and im one dont want you to waste your money on a expensive funeral in your home country,  cremate him in Thailand bring ashes home..   

Edited October 27, 2018 by Mad mick

[Fairynuff]

22 hours ago, ukrules said:

Well that's going to be nearly everyone, so don't be surprised that a very large proportion of people think it's very selfish.

 

I think it was a very selfish thing to do, and no, I have no idea about it.

 

If someone I know kills themselves I won't even bother to go to the funeral.

No, not nearly everyone. Mental illness can happen to anyone at any time. It appears yours might have already started, only a sick b****** would speak so heartlessly

[Artisi]

15 hours ago, Rc2702 said:

RIP to the young chap but 5 kids to feed and choosing to off himself whilst on a jolly up with the lads should give some insight into where this guys priorities lay, before and after he me made those poor children bastards. 

Would you care to explain how his kids suddenly become illegitimate. 

[ivor bigun]

RIP young man...so sorry for his kids.
But...
Im sure the British Embassy will give all the help his family needs in getting this poor lads body home.
 

I love sarcasm

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[Different]

It is very sad but if topic is all about money to send his body home. I would say shame on British embassies and all embassies alike if they even have no regards for their citizens corpse.  Instead of cremation, bury him here in Thailand.

 

[Scouse123]

3 minutes ago, Different said:

It is very sad but if topic is all about money to send his body home. I would say shame on British embassies and all embassies alike if they even have no regards for their citizens corpse.  Instead of cremation, bury him here in Thailand.

 

 

 

And what about his family and his wife and kids who may want his remains to come home to the UK in whatever form that takes, body or ashes?

 

I cannot see them accepting what you propose as a solution.

 

Embassies do not consider it their duty to repatriate citizens, dead or alive, back to their country of origin unless involved in official humanitarian missions or in times of war.

[Different]

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3 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

Embassies do not consider it their duty to repatriate citizens, dead or alive, back to their country of origin unless involved in official humanitarian missions or in times of war.

To my understanding and firm knowledge, embassies are founded to serve citizens abroad. I don't know where you limited embassies duties are not obliged not serve citizens but only officials?

[sanemax]

2 minutes ago, Different said:

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To my understanding and firm knowledge, embassies are founded to serve citizens abroad. I don't know where you limited embassies duties are not obliged not serve citizens but only officials?

Embassys are not there to send deceased people home and they arent there to service citizens every need .

  They are not the DHSS/DSS offices abroad  

[Basil B]

Have him cremated, then his ashes can be sent back far cheaper,  is there really difference between a funereal service with a body in a coffin or a memorial service with the deceased ashes in an urn, can sill be laid to rest with a memorial stone above. 

[Different]

11 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Embassys are not there to send deceased people home and they arent there to service citizens every need .

  They are not the DHSS/DSS offices abroad  

Thank you for exposing truth about civilized western countries are not interested in majority of their people but only the rich.  BTW my country considered 3rd world country but they would take care of my body if I die abroad.????

[sanemax]

32 minutes ago, Different said:

Thank you for exposing truth about civilized western countries are not interested in majority of their people but only the rich.  BTW my country considered 3rd world country but they would take care of my body if I die abroad.????

My Country expects me to take care of myself , in this case, its up to the family to decide what they want to do .

  Governments are funded by tax payers , why should UK workers , many who cannot afford to travel to Thailand and cannot afford to have five children , pay to get this guy flown home ?

  They will probably now have to pay to bring his kids up , through social security .

Its unfair on the others(tax payers) , to expect them to pay

[Artisi]

1 hour ago, sanemax said:

My Country expects me to take care of myself , in this case, its up to the family to decide what they want to do .

  Governments are funded by tax payers , why should UK workers , many who cannot afford to travel to Thailand and cannot afford to have five children , pay to get this guy flown home ?

  They will probably now have to pay to bring his kids up , through social security .

Its unfair on the others(tax payers) , to expect them to pay

Yep, and he probably saved a few quid skimping of travel insurance, that's is even if he took out any. 

[callcharlie2001]

Cremation is not that accepted in the west, and some people value a final viewing of the body for closure.

[faraday]

21 minutes ago, callcharlie2001 said:

Cremation is not that accepted in the west, and some people value a final viewing of the body for closure.

It certainly is in the UK, Charles

[Scouse123]

4 hours ago, faraday said:

It certainly is in the UK, Charles

 

+1

 

It is by far the most widely used method these days.

 

I did say myself personally, on hindsight, after a lifetime of love and care from my mother I would have chosen a full service and burial. However, my sister who organized it as I live in Asia told me that my Mother, towards the end, both stopped attending other peoples funerals herself, and wasn't so religious anymore.

 

I think she stopped attending for two reasons, she was wheelchair bound and registered blind and I think fed up of relying on others to take her everywhere as she felt a burden, and also fed up at her age of 87 years old, of seeing her friends die around her.

 

Back to the present subject, much as I feel for the children and the widow, if they haven't the funds to repatriate the body, they should look at the sensible option of a cremation in Thailand as it is the most pragmatic approach.

 

I, as I said before, have no opinion on the circumstances of death, but feel it is wrong to ask strangers, Go fund me pages and crowdfunding to pay for things such as this.

Edited October 28, 2018 by Scouse123

[Artisi]

19 hours ago, Different said:

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To my understanding and firm knowledge, embassies are founded to serve citizens abroad. I don't know where you limited embassies duties are not obliged not serve citizens but only officials?

The post certainly didn't say only officials. 

[faraday]

@Scouse123

 

Pretty much the same for my Mum; & my sister organised everything, even having the service sent to me live here.

 

Couldn't view it on my tablet, so went to an internet shop. A few tears, but the people who were around me, were so discreet..

 

Will drop you a pm, as there's something I'd like to share with you about her last few months.

[ukrules]

On 10/26/2018 at 7:30 AM, webfact said:

The 36-year-old's sister, Lisa Rowlands said the whole family are still in complete shock, but they have been given four days to raise the funds to bring his body back to the UK.

The gofundme raised about £2600, the four days are up so I guess he's been cremated already.

[faraday]

18 minutes ago, ukrules said:

The gofundme raised about £2600, the four days are up so I guess he's been cremated already.

Wish I'd done a Gofundme, could've flown back to blighty business class!

 

[cleverman]

On 26 October 2018 at 2:55 PM, Artisi said:

I agree, cremate here and send his ashes back by mail, (registered of course) and put the money to good use, his kids. 

What are you all trying to say, that he should be cremated here?

 

[janclaes47]

On 10/26/2018 at 12:59 PM, jossthaifarang said:

It's so hard for me to understand, how a man can do such a thing to his children. His youngest will grow up without ever knowing his father, which is bad enough but the other four will never forget this, and at some point may even begin thinking it may have somehow been there fault. 

 

Really selfish thing to do mate..

 

If you don't understand then take the lesson that in life everyone makes his own decisions.

[wgdanson]

On 10/26/2018 at 4:29 PM, jgarbo said:

Good Christians

What's that got to do with it?

[wgdanson]

1 hour ago, cleverman said:

What are you all trying to say, that he should be cremated here?

 

I think that's the general consensus of opinon.

[wgdanson]

On 10/27/2018 at 4:19 PM, Basil B said:

or a memorial service with SOME ashes in an urn, can still be laid to rest with a memorial stone above. 

Only God would know!   lol 

[Basil B]

8 hours ago, Scouse123 said:

I, as I said before, have no opinion on the circumstances of death, but feel it is wrong to ask strangers, Go fund me pages and crowdfunding to pay for things such as this.

Well said, I know better causes to give to.

[sanemax]

Although the family want to see him again, they need to realise that had he wanted to see them again, he would have flown home

[Artisi]

7 minutes ago, sanemax said:

Although the family want to see him again, they need to realise that had he wanted to see them again, he would have flown home

Possibly he will.... 

[bwpage3]

Fishing Holiday to Thailand?

 

Maybe that is what he told his family.

 

Agree a very selfish thing to do when you have kids.

 

All the talk of mental illness yet can still plan a trip to Thailand and make it there from the UK?

 

It is sad, however not as sad as leaving your kids behind, apparently with nothing, so he could go to Thailand.

 

Always have enough to get to Thailand, but never enough to make it back should something go wrong.

 

It is hard to have any respect at all for someone that would do this when they have kids they should be providing for.

 

His kids will face a lifetime of suffering.