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Turkey's Erdogan - Khashoggi killing ordered at Saudi 'highest levels'

By Ece Toksabay

 

Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan addresses members of parliament from his ruling AK Party (AKP) during a meeting at the Turkish parliament in Ankara, Turkey, October 30, 2018. Murat Cetinmuhurdar/Presidential Press Office/Handout via REUTERS

 

ANKARA (Reuters) - The order to kill journalist Jamal Khashoggi came from the "highest levels" of the Saudi government, Turkish President Tayyip Erdogan said in the Washington Post on Friday and he called for the "puppetmasters" to be unmasked.

 

Khashoggi, a Washington Post columnist critical of the Saudi government and its de facto ruler Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, disappeared after he entered the Saudi consulate in Istanbul exactly one month ago on Oct. 2.

 

Erdogan, in an op-ed piece in the newspaper, said he did not believe "for a second" that King Salman had ordered "the hit" on Khashoggi and he also refrained from directly accusing the crown prince.

 

An adviser to Erdogan said last week that MbS, as the crown prince is informally known, had "blood on his hands" over Khashoggi’s killing, the bluntest comments yet from someone linked to Erdogan about Riyadh's de facto ruler in connection with the death.

 

The Saudi government initially insisted Khashoggi had left the consulate, later saying he died in an unplanned "rogue operation". Last week, the kingdom's public prosecutor Saud Al Mojeb said the attack was premeditated.

 

"No one should dare to commit such acts on the soil of a NATO ally again. If anyone chooses to ignore that warning, they will face severe consequences," Erdogan warned in the op-ed piece.

 

"PUPPETMASTERS"

 

Erdogan accused the Saudi consul in Istanbul of lying "through his teeth" and the Saudi chief prosecutor of refusing to cooperate, stalling the process and not answering simple questions.

 

Erdogan said there was more to Khashoggi's death than just action by "a group of security officials," he said.

 

"As responsible members of the international community, we must reveal the identities of the puppetmasters behind Khashoggi’s killing and discover those in whom Saudi officials — still trying to cover up the murder — have placed their trust."

 

Earlier on Friday, another Erdogan adviser said the team that killed Khashoggi in Istanbul cut up his body in order to dissolve it for easier disposal, the newspaper Hurriyet reported.

 

Yasin Aktay, who advises Erdogan and was a friend of Khashoggi's, told Hurriyet that the body was disposed of by dismembering and dissolving.

 

"According to the latest information we have, the reason they dismembered his body is to dissolve it easier."

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-03

 

[Trouble]

Where is the damn recording they are supposed to have?

[animalmagic]

Just now, Trouble said:

Where is the damn recording they are supposed to have?

Best tactic is not to show it and let the Saudis continue to lie and dig themselves into a deeper hole.  When they are so deep there is no possible escape or excuse, and the high level involvement and cover up is exposed; then release any videos.

[Srikcir]

4 hours ago, rooster59 said:

the reason they dismembered his body is to dissolve it easier."

As I mentioned before in other posts - a crime under Islamic law.

That is important from the perspective of the predominance of Islam in Turkey and Saudi Arabia, both claiming international leadership of the Islamic faith.

 

A further potential violation of Islamic beliefs if not a crime under Islamic law was the killing of Khashoggi within the consulate.

Khashoggi was in essence a guest, an invited visitor given permission to enter the consulate. It has been alleged that Khashoggi 'was enticed to Istanbul consulate from Saudi embassy in DC.' ( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jamal-khashoggi-latest-news-saudi-arabia-turkey-embassy-washington-dc-a8601961.html )

• Under Islamic law "…Let the believer in God and the Day of Judgment honor his guest."
• Honoring, or treating a guest well is coupled with two of the most important beliefs in Islam, belief in God and belief in the Day of Judgment. 
• In Islam, the hospitality relationship is triangular; it consists of host, guest, and God.  Hospitality is a right rather than a gift, and the duty to supply it is a duty to God."

https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10662/treating-guests-islamic-way/

Saudi Arabia would have then in essence desecrated the consulate grounds in addition to Khashoggi's body. Erdogan would have I believe a religious right to demand as a minimum that Saudi Arabia abandon the consulate and locate in another location. Also that the ambassador be subjected to physical punishment in Turkey (if not in Saudi Arabia) under Islamic law.  

[nausea]

If they had nothing to hide then they'd let the guys be tried in Turkey. Personally, I think the current Saudi position would be something like this:

"Who sued to me for him? Who, in my wrath,

Kneeled at my feet and bid me be advised?"

The problem with being an oligarch is that you're surrounded by sychophants and no-one actually gives you good advice. Or, if they do, they're killed, or ostracised.  There's a lot of truth in the saying keep your friends close, but keep your enemies closer. Killing them is not such a good idea, at least you know what you're dealing with. 

[Galactus]

On 11/3/2018 at 10:05 AM, Srikcir said:

As I mentioned before in other posts - a crime under Islamic law.

That is important from the perspective of the predominance of Islam in Turkey and Saudi Arabia, both claiming international leadership of the Islamic faith.

 

A further potential violation of Islamic beliefs if not a crime under Islamic law was the killing of Khashoggi within the consulate.

Khashoggi was in essence a guest, an invited visitor given permission to enter the consulate. It has been alleged that Khashoggi 'was enticed to Istanbul consulate from Saudi embassy in DC.' ( https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/jamal-khashoggi-latest-news-saudi-arabia-turkey-embassy-washington-dc-a8601961.html )

• Under Islamic law "…Let the believer in God and the Day of Judgment honor his guest."
• Honoring, or treating a guest well is coupled with two of the most important beliefs in Islam, belief in God and belief in the Day of Judgment. 
• In Islam, the hospitality relationship is triangular; it consists of host, guest, and God.  Hospitality is a right rather than a gift, and the duty to supply it is a duty to God."

https://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10662/treating-guests-islamic-way/

Saudi Arabia would have then in essence desecrated the consulate grounds in addition to Khashoggi's body. Erdogan would have I believe a religious right to demand as a minimum that Saudi Arabia abandon the consulate and locate in another location. Also that the ambassador be subjected to physical punishment in Turkey (if not in Saudi Arabia) under Islamic law.  

 

there is no islamic law or related physical punishment in Turkey though.

Erdogan cannot demand any religous rights and the position of khalife - spritual leader ship of Islam - is abolished in Turkey too.

 

And, you think Saudis are muslim? It is not islam. it is a degenerated form of Islam called wahabism.

[nausea]

On 11/3/2018 at 9:51 AM, Trouble said:

Where is the damn recording they are supposed to have?

They obviously had the place bugged; admitting this is a no-no. Or maybe it's just all bluff, in which case this is the greatest bluff in history, as they've called out every Saudi move. No-way the Saudis are gonna let these guys be tried in Turkey; unless they have nothing to hide, which is doubtful. Zero per cent chance they're not going to claim they were acting under orders. 

[Srikcir]

18 hours ago, Galactus said:

 

there is no islamic law or related physical punishment in Turkey though.

Erdogan cannot demand any religous rights and the position of khalife - spritual leader ship of Islam - is abolished in Turkey too.

 

And, you think Saudis are muslim? It is not islam. it is a degenerated form of Islam called wahabism.

you think Saudis are muslim? It is not islam

A Muslim is someone who follows or practices Islam.

Sharia is the religious law forming part of the Islamic tradition.

Your comment is suspiciously inappropriate.

 

Sharia applies in full, covering personal status issues as well as criminal proceedings.

It's not debatable that Sharia law applies in Saudi Arabia at the governmental level and demands that Saudi heed those laws and the associated punishments concerning Khashoggi's assassination within the Saudi Arabia Consulate in Turkey is independent of whether Turkey follows sharia law as a matter of governance. 

Thus, Turkey has authority to push the issue sharia law with Saudi Arabia, to further Turkey's own political agenda - weakening of Saudi Arabia's political and economic sphere of influence in the Middle East. The Saudi King is not going to deny sharia law and its application to those persons complicit in Khashoggi's assassination.