U.S. top court rejects Trump administration bid to halt climate trial

[rooster59]

U.S. top court rejects Trump administration bid to halt climate trial

By Lawrence Hurley

 

FILE PHOTO: The Supreme Court is shown in Washington, U.S., May 14, 2018. REUTERS/Joshua Roberts/File Photo

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The U.S. Supreme Court on Friday rejected for now a bid by the President Donald Trump's administration to block a trial in a lawsuit filed by young activists who have accused the U.S. government of ignoring the perils of climate change.

 

The loss for the administration means it now faces a high-profile examination of U.S. climate change policy during the trial that was due to begin on Oct. 29 in Eugene, Oregon but has since been postponed by the judge.

 

Chief Justice John Roberts on Oct. 19 had temporarily put the case on hold while the court as a whole decided how to proceed.

 

The Supreme Court's three-page order noted that the administration may still have grounds to take its arguments to the San Francisco-based 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals.

 

Conservative Justices Clarence Thomas and Neil Gorsuch indicated they would have granted the administration's request. There was no indication how Trump's new Supreme Court appointee, conservative Brett Kavanaugh, voted on the issue.

 

In the lawsuit, 21 activists, ages 11 to 22, said federal officials violated their rights to due process under the U.S. Constitution by failing to adequately address carbon pollution such as emissions from the burning of fossil fuels.

 

The lawsuit was filed in 2015 against former President Barack Obama and government agencies in a federal court in Eugene, Oregon. Both the Obama and Trump administrations have failed in efforts to have the lawsuit thrown out.

 

The administration has said a courtroom is not the appropriate venue for a debate on climate change policy.

 

"This suit is an attempt to redirect federal environmental and energy policies through the courts rather than through the political process, by asserting a new and unsupported fundamental due process right to certain climate conditions," Trump administration Solicitor General Noel Francisco said in court papers.

 

Francisco noted that the plaintiffs are seeking to hold the U.S. government liable for the cumulative effects of carbon dioxide emissions "from every source in the world over decades."

 

Lawyers for the young activists, led by Julia Olson of a Eugene-based group called Our Children's Trust that brought the lawsuit, have said their clients have suffered "irreparable harm" from the effects of a changing climate.

 

"This is a case about the fundamental rights of children and whether the actions of their government have deprived them of their inalienable rights," Olson said in court papers.

 

On July 30, the high court rejected an earlier application by the Trump administration, calling it premature.

 

Eugene, Oregon-based federal Judge Ann Aiken has repeatedly allowed the case to move forward to trial over the objections of the government. The trial will proceed if neither the high court nor the 9th Circuit intervene.

 

Aiken said in an Oct. 15 ruling that although the case raised questions about the role of the judiciary delving into a matter of policy those concerns were not enough to warrant a dismissal of the entire case.

 

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2018-11-03

[Bluespunk]

57 minutes ago, rooster59 said:

Eugene, Oregon-based federal Judge Ann Aiken has repeatedly allowed the case to move forward to trial over the objections of the government. The trial will proceed if neither the high court nor the 9th Circuit intervene.

 

Aiken said in an Oct. 15 ruling that although the case raised questions about the role of the judiciary delving into a matter of policy those concerns were not enough to warrant a dismissal of the entire case.

Great decision your Honour. 

[Boombum]

The ignorant kids seem unaware that the whole Global Warming Scam is designed to further enslave us humans....the “Warming” hoax had to change to “ Climate Change” when it’s was proving to be blatantly inaccurate...HOWEVER there is an Army of brainwashed  greenies who make a fantastic liveyhood from keeping the Hoax going....it’s just another way for Banksters to rip us off...and inflict yet more draconian controls on our everyday lives.

[Bluespunk]

6 minutes ago, Boombum said:

The ignorant kids seem unaware that the whole Global Warming Scam is designed to further enslave us humans....the “Warming” hoax had to change to “ Climate Change” when it’s was proving to be blatantly inaccurate...HOWEVER there is an Army of brainwashed  greenies who make a fantastic liveyhood from keeping the Hoax going....it’s just another way for Banksters to rip us off...and inflict yet more draconian controls on our everyday lives.

Global warming is real and is happening. 

 

Good to see the next generation taking the threat seriously and acting, instead of sticking their fingers in their ears, going LAH LAH LAH LAH and shouting out I’m not listening. 

 

Gives me hope there may be a future. 

Edited November 3, 2018 by Bluespunk

[farcanell]

8 minutes ago, Boombum said:

The ignorant kids seem unaware that the whole Global Warming Scam is designed to further enslave us humans....the “Warming” hoax had to change to “ Climate Change” when it’s was proving to be blatantly inaccurate...HOWEVER there is an Army of brainwashed  greenies who make a fantastic liveyhood from keeping the Hoax going....it’s just another way for Banksters to rip us off...and inflict yet more draconian controls on our everyday lives.

Yes... well... ignorance is bliss, I suppose... or blistering, as may well be the case, as the climate continues to change, faster than ever before in its history, according to most scientists, including those at NASA, who one could hardly describe as “brainwashed greenies”

 

That said, holding the US government responsible for changes to date, seems a little over the top, so imo, it is actually a case of attempting to change policy via the judiciary ....or perhaps more correctly, it’s using the judiciary to heighten public awareness, which may lead to policy change ( or reversion to the Paris accord) and that sounds fine to me... raising awareness by any means, is a positive step to addressing the issue.

[Tug]

Keep holding Donald’s feet to the fire!I am all for stimulating business like most people but we must be responsible about it not reckless we must think long term even if our life span is short 

[Krataiboy]

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Global warming is real and is happening. 

 

Good to see the next generation taking the threat seriously and acting, instead of sticking their fingers in their ears, going LAH LAH LAH LAH and shouting out I’m not listening. 

 

Gives me hope there may be a future. 

Global warming is real and is happening. 

 

The question is - why? Scientists have been wrangling about this for decades, so how long do you think a court is going to take to weigh the evidence and pronounce a judgement?

 

Don't hold you breath - unless, of course the air gets so polluted in the meantime, that we have no choice!

[the guest]

Not surprised at all given USA chooses to consistently ignore acclaimed scientists who have dedicated their whole lives to ensure our species carries-on.

 

So now USA is run by a moron, and it will seem if we carry-on this way and ignore the facts, then our existence will become suddenly snuffed out by our ignorance, well done mankind !

[Skeptic7]

From NASA.gov: 

 

Multiple studies published in peer-reviewed scientific journals show that 97 percent or more of actively publishing climate scientists agree*: Climate-warming trends over the past century are extremely likely due to human activities. In addition, most of the leading scientific organizations worldwide have issued public statements endorsing this position.

 

From ipcc:

 

The fifth Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) report states with 95 percent confidence that humans are the main cause of the current global warming. Many media outlets have reported that this is an increase from the 90 percent certainty in the fourth IPCC report, but actually the change is much more significant than that. In fact, if you look closely, the IPCC says that humans have most likely caused all of the global warming over the past 60 years.

 

The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) is the leading international body for the assessment of climate change. It was established by the United Nations Environment Programme (UNEP) and the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) in 1988 to provide the world with a clear scientific view on the current state of knowledge in climate change and its potential environmental and socio-economic impacts. 

 

Thousands of scientists from all over the world contribute to the work of the IPCC. Review is an essential part of the IPCC process, to ensure an objective and complete assessment of current information. IPCC aims to reflect a range of views and expertise. 

[nglodnig]

2 hours ago, farcanell said:

according to most scientists, including those at NASA, who one could hardly describe as “brainwashed greenies”

Except the Goddard Institute used to be headed by Hansen, who invented Global Warming when he discovered Venus was the same size of Earth (albeit with CO2 thousands and times more concentrated and an atmospheric pressure ninety times that of Earth but these are mere details). He handed the job over to his spiritual love child Schmidt who ran a climate hysteria web site that was predicting the end of the world on a weekly almost daily basis. Yeah right, totally impartial.

[Bluespunk]

1 hour ago, Krataiboy said:

Global warming is real and is happening. 

 

The question is - why? Scientists have been wrangling about this for decades, so how long do you think a court is going to take to weigh the evidence and pronounce a judgement?

 

Don't hold you breath - unless, of course the air gets so polluted in the meantime, that we have no choice!

Don’t care how long it takes.

 

It’s another way of making people just how real the global warming threat caused by humanities behaviour is. 

 

And as I said good to see youth leading where their elders are failing. 

[Na Lee]

Does anybody knows that one major vulcanic eruption cause more polution into the atmosfeer than all human activity in one year i agree with nglodnig it's a hoax by scientists who only want to keep their job secured. 

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Na Lee said:

Does anybody knows that one major vulcanic eruption cause more polution into the atmosfeer than all human activity in one year i agree with nglodnig it's a hoax by scientists who only want to keep their job secured. 

No. We don't know it. And the reason is that it's false.

"This argument that human-caused carbon emissions are merely a drop in the bucket compared to greenhouse gases generated by volcanoes has been making its way around the rumor mill for years. And while it may sound plausible, the science just doesn’t back it up.

According to the U.S. Geological Survey (USGS), the world’s volcanoes, both on land and undersea, generate about 200 million tons of carbon dioxide (CO2) annually, while our automotive and industrial activities cause some 24 billion tons of CO2 emissions every year worldwide. Despite the arguments to the contrary, the facts speak for themselves: Greenhouse gas emissions from volcanoes comprise less than one percent of those generated by today’s human endeavors."

https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/earthtalks-volcanoes-or-humans/

[farcanell]

2 hours ago, nglodnig said:

Except the Goddard Institute used to be headed by Hansen, who invented Global Warming when he discovered Venus was the same size of Earth (albeit with CO2 thousands and times more concentrated and an atmospheric pressure ninety times that of Earth but these are mere details). He handed the job over to his spiritual love child Schmidt who ran a climate hysteria web site that was predicting the end of the world on a weekly almost daily basis. Yeah right, totally impartial.

Hansen?

 

you mean this guy, who has a Ph. D in physics, a BA in math, with highest honors, and an M.S in astronomy?

 

the attached screenshot is a portion of a longer list, because the list was too big to fit on one page.

 

so... believe him and his co authors, or believe fossil fuel lobbyists... mmm .... hard choice... not

 

it was an interesting read, including the fact that he hypothesized that venus’s Clouds were sulphuric acid....( which later turned out to be true) whereas other scientists held differing and incorrect views.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Hansen

Edited November 3, 2018 by farcanell

[Ulic]

The thing I find funny is the suit was filed during the Obama presidency. The Donald is a complete denier of climate change and has done everything he can to curtail any kind of climate change mitigation. If the activist had a bone to pick with the Obama administration I just wonder how he feels now.

[Trouble]

While people may have a concern about global warming, and many here can cite statistics and studies to support their reasoning on either side of the issue, this lawsuit on behalf of children (21 Activists) is ridiculous. In the end what is it going to solve.  Everyone already knows that the emerging economies in China, India and elsewhere are going to negate any positive moves made by the West.  If these activists and others are so concerned I suggest they stop using electricity, cars, and transportation of all kinds to show they are first in line to stop the global warming. Nothing anyone does is going to stop global warming if indeed it is caused by human activity because in order to do that we would have to decrease the world's population (something I am in favor of).  However that is not going to happen. So my attitude is to enjoy my big SUV and travel on airplanes that they say add to carbon emissions and enjoy life. I will leave it to these brilliant lawyers to solve the problems through court actions.  These things are all about money somewhere along the line. These lawyers don't work for free.

[Boombum]

On 11/3/2018 at 5:51 PM, farcanell said:

Yes... well... ignorance is bliss, I suppose... or blistering, as may well be the case, as the climate continues to change, faster than ever before in its history, according to most scientists, including those at NASA, who one could hardly describe as “brainwashed greenies”

 

That said, holding the US government responsible for changes to date, seems a little over the top, so imo, it is actually a case of attempting to change policy via the judiciary ....or perhaps more correctly, it’s using the judiciary to heighten public awareness, which may lead to policy change ( or reversion to the Paris accord) and that sounds fine to me... raising awareness by any means, is a positive step to addressing the issue.

Well if you get all your propaganda from main stream media you will have a distorted view of the world ... poor kids don’t know they are slaves in a system with no Rights at all... they are PERSONS with PRIVILEGES & OBLIGATIONS...NOT Rights and Duties.

theyve been brainwashed by the scientists who ONLY get funding IF they tow the Propaganda line... most don’t know the difference between UNITED STATES of AMERICA and USA inc, or the United States of America...the 1st thing every “President” does is to sign the State of Emergency Act... WHO?? Is the enemy? Look it up...there’s the United States Supreme Court ...then the Supreme Court of the United States.....oh and 911?? Really bet them kids think it was as Fox News portray....another complete HOAX albeit very sad for those who suffered a loss.

[bristolboy]

20 minutes ago, Boombum said:

Well if you get all your propaganda from main stream media you will have a distorted view of the world ... poor kids don’t know they are slaves in a system with no Rights at all... they are PERSONS with PRIVILEGES & OBLIGATIONS...NOT Rights and Duties.

theyve been brainwashed by the scientists who ONLY get funding IF they tow the Propaganda line... most don’t know the difference between UNITED STATES of AMERICA and USA inc, or the United States of America...the 1st thing every “President” does is to sign the State of Emergency Act... WHO?? Is the enemy? Look it up...there’s the United States Supreme Court ...then the Supreme Court of the United States.....oh and 911?? Really bet them kids think it was as Fox News portray....another complete HOAX albeit very sad for those who suffered a loss.

Yes, scientists are just minions to the overlords of a worldwide conspiracy.

[stevenl]

On 11/4/2018 at 12:08 AM, Trouble said:

While people may have a concern about global warming, and many here can cite statistics and studies to support their reasoning on either side of the issue, this lawsuit on behalf of children (21 Activists) is ridiculous. In the end what is it going to solve.  Everyone already knows that the emerging economies in China, India and elsewhere are going to negate any positive moves made by the West.  If these activists and others are so concerned I suggest they stop using electricity, cars, and transportation of all kinds to show they are first in line to stop the global warming. Nothing anyone does is going to stop global warming if indeed it is caused by human activity because in order to do that we would have to decrease the world's population (something I am in favor of).  However that is not going to happen. So my attitude is to enjoy my big SUV and travel on airplanes that they say add to carbon emissions and enjoy life. I will leave it to these brilliant lawyers to solve the problems through court actions.  These things are all about money somewhere along the line. These lawyers don't work for free.

It is an attitude like yours that is killing the planet.

[Patriot1066]

On 11/3/2018 at 10:27 AM, Boombum said:

The ignorant kids seem unaware that the whole Global Warming Scam is designed to further enslave us humans....the “Warming” hoax had to change to “ Climate Change” when it’s was proving to be blatantly inaccurate...HOWEVER there is an Army of brainwashed  greenies who make a fantastic liveyhood from keeping the Hoax going....it’s just another way for Banksters to rip us off...and inflict yet more draconian controls on our everyday lives.

Yes to help big corporations the rich and lefty types????

 

The new flat earth earthers!

[mtls2005]

Our President...tweeted from Mar-a-Lago.

 

 

[Becker]

56 minutes ago, mtls2005 said:

Our President...tweeted from Mar-a-Lago.

 

 

The stable genius is at it again..

[farcanell]

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-climate-change-tweet_us_5bf6019ae4b0eb6d930b6d25

 

fake news.... too much blue on this map... everyone knows that the North American map is covered in red states... so true.

 

 

[mtls2005]

I was sort of expecting another tweet from potus along the lines of...."With all the ice cubes in my freezer, what happened to global warming?" #RakeAmericaGreatAgain #BringBackSteam #CoalInEveryonesStocking

 

 

Federal report sounds alarm on growing impact of climate change

 

A new climate report from the federal government released Friday warns that current global and regional efforts to stave off the devastating effects of climate change are insufficient. 

 

The report, the first of its kind released under the Trump administration, finds that climate change is expected to interrupt the way people live day-to-day as it ravages infrastructure, impacts human health, poses challenges to the global economy and threatens the world's energy supply.  

 

https://thehill.com/policy/energy-environment/418036-federal-report-sounds-alarm-on-growing-impact-of-climate-change

 

 

https://nca2018.globalchange.gov/