Popular Post MASSMAN Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Does CONSTRUCTIVE criticism still exist in society? And if so, is still considered valuable? I write this not as something for a philosophy forum, but rather something which has a very real impact between people and across the internet. People used to value constructive criticism highly because of the positive contributions it made to society. Nowadays, however, it seems to me that nearly all criticism is construed as negative. There is certainly plenty of genuine negative criticism flying around; though, I wonder if constructive criticism has been misconstrued as negative and thus creating unnecessarily negative (and destructive) interactions. I, personally, would prefer being apart of more constructive and positive interactions with people in general. I welcome your CONSTRUCTIVE criticism and POSITIVE additions to this topic. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I think constructive criticism is better known as advice. I'm not trying to be negative, but calling something criticism without providing some direction towards a solution is always going to sound like criticism, which some people will take negatively, regardless of its helpful intent. And saying "I'm not trying to be negative..." is kidding no-one but yourself. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Crossy Posted November 7, 2018 Popular Post Share Posted November 7, 2018 Moved to The Pub for constructive criticism. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marko kok prong Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 well not everone likes my posts but i do try to make them witty at least. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirineou Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 hours ago, MASSMAN said: Does CONSTRUCTIVE criticism still exist in society? And if so, is still considered valuable? Of course it does, just the other day someone criticized my thong bathing suit but suggested that I was wearing it backwards and it would be better if I wore the string part at the back. 4 hours ago, MASSMAN said: I, personally, would prefer being apart of more constructive and positive interactions with people in general. You might have something there, perhaps it will catch on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brunolem Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Constructive criticism is the opposite of "yes men" that so many unsecure leaders, of all tripes, like to surround themselves with. Perhaps the most famous example of constructive criticism were the historical debates between Einstein and Niels Bohr and his group of quantum theorists. Einstein didn't believe in quantum theory and came with multiple refutations, supported by examples/experiments. His criticism were pushing the quantum theorists to find answers, and in the process proved very valuable in giving credibility to the theory. Obviously, the concerned persons were smart enough to accept criticism, as long as they were based on something solid. Nowadays, criticism are generally poorly received, and not tolerated at all within the hierarchy, including in scientific research, which probably explain why we discover Botox rather than, say improving space travel... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) What a pointless topic in a Thai Forum! Does the comment I have just made above "qualify" as "constructive criticism" or am I just showing my true feelings as to why it was started in the first place. Total pretentious waffle. ???? Edited November 7, 2018 by scottiejohn 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 49 minutes ago, sirineou said: Of course it does, just the other day someone criticized my thong bathing suit but suggested that I was wearing it backwards and it would be better if I wore the string part at the back. You might have something there, perhaps it will catch on. Like a rash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grollies Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 2 hours ago, marko kok prong said: well not everone likes my posts but i do try to make them witty at least. it's not working (I say that with the best of intentions, I.e. constructive criticism) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, scottiejohn said: What a pointless topic in a Thai Forum! Does the comment I have just made above "qualify" as "constructive criticism" or am I just showing my true feelings as to why it was started in the first place. Total pretentious waffle. ???? <removed> Or to be more constructive, and helpful, without bossing anyone around - have you tried being less of a <removed> But let's avoid any personal criticism - have you tried avoiding such < Removed> comments? But "less" is a bit negative; let's focus on the positive alternatives. Why not try saying something a normal person would say, rather than something that a <removed> might witter? Edited November 7, 2018 by CharlieH Offensive term removed 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 6 minutes ago, grollies said: it's not working (I say that with the best of intentions, I.e. constructive criticism) Say it three times and it might be true... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Was that little tirade a positive or negative affirmation or just a collection of disconnected and unwarranted insults. <removed> You have just proved what an assinine topic this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Maybe some people should not go to the pub... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottiejohn Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 4 minutes ago, StreetCowboy said: Maybe some people should not go to the pub... Please explain that comment without "constructive criticism". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 Just now, scottiejohn said: Please explain that comment without "constructive criticism". If you're expecting learned discussion and high culture, then the pub is not the place to look. If you're expecting a bit of banter, and you don't mind getting the piss taken whenever you take a walk on the pretentious side, then you'll probably enjoy yourself in the pub. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turgid Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 I usually see the problem of staying on topic, expressing pragmatism over emotion and personalising the problem. Respond pragmatically to the point and ignore the emotion is usually the best way to go but that actually winds up people looking for a fight. Allow people a bad day, give up after the second attack. But most forum post go down a rabbit hole of attack or emotion eventually. Remember that 16% of the population despise who you are an what you represent regardless. If you arent seeing or hearing anything that offends you you are probably in a bubble. And to quote Michael Caine in Batman some people just want to see the world to burn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 12 minutes ago, turgid said: I usually see the problem of staying on topic, ... Too often, people get side-tracked into discussions on tyre pressure, and while advice on tyre pressure is meant well, it can distract from the purpose of the thread. I used to get loads of punctures, but one of the things that reduced my puncture rate most significantly was keeping my tyre pressure much higher - easier once I bought a floor pump with a pressure gauge on it. I think a floor pump with a pressure gauge is one of the best investments a person can make, especially if they have a bicycle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzaa09 Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 True critical and independent thought is waning, if not lost already. cyclical systems of dumbing down are in it's place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StreetCowboy Posted November 7, 2018 Share Posted November 7, 2018 10 minutes ago, zzaa09 said: True critical and independent thought is waning, if not lost already. cyclical systems of dumbing down are in it's place. "...its place" You try to put a sensible point across and you get pulled up by irrelevant pedantry at every turn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 (edited) All the little princes and princesses of today have been so indoctrinated by the PC, everyone is a winner, society we live in that they are unable to accept any criticism of any description, without becoming mortally offended. Not actually a recent phenomenon either. I started my working life in the military, and when I left it to work in civvy street, I was amazed at how easily offended people were. Bunch of sukky babies, IMO. A while back I lost a friend of 30 years because he couldn't take constructive criticism, though he relished in giving me criticism, and not always constructive. Mind you, he had a high opinion of himself because he made a high salary, though he was pants at doing anything physical, like DIY. Edited November 8, 2018 by thaibeachlovers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mstevens Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 Constructive criticism is important and when you're given well-meaning constructive criticism it's a chance for reflection. You might have been made aware of something you do that you didn't realise, perhaps something that's not endearing. This criticism if well-intentioned can help you improve yourself. I think the important thing with criticism is that it's well-intentioned, which I guess is much the same as constructive. If the intention of giving it is good then the person being criticises would welcome it and appreciate that the person who made it cares enough to raise this with them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MASSMAN Posted November 8, 2018 Author Share Posted November 8, 2018 14 hours ago, scottiejohn said: What a pointless topic in a Thai Forum! Does the comment I have just made above "qualify" as "constructive criticism" or am I just showing my true feelings as to why it was started in the first place. Total pretentious waffle. ???? Thank you for your CONSTRUCTIVE criticism. THIS is why wrote about this topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted November 8, 2018 Share Posted November 8, 2018 I agree with above cowboy who used the word advice... and it is more easily taken when solicited... Unsolicited criticism is rarely well received... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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