BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 29 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: Spot on. Poroshenko really wants the West to step in. The Ukraine has been playing that game since the 1640's with astonishingly dire results. Wouldn't stop Poroshenko tho'. May the comedian win. Well ... no more elections so Poroshenko stays on ???? Not to sure if suspended indefinitely or postponed pending the circumstances. Either way Poroshenko gets at least 6 more months Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 8 hours ago, stevenl said: So the EU and other countries, some in the EU, condemn this. What don't you understand? What he doesn't understand (I assume) is that legally the EU is a separate entity from its members. It is in fact what Brexiters would refer to as 'Brussels'. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Putin's popularity is down too. Crimea is Ukraine. Building that bridge was a provocation. I don't love either side but Russia is the obvious bully in this conflict. I understand not wanting to go to war over this but let's not delude ourselves. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 9 hours ago, Topdoc said: Independent journalist Graham Phillips reporting on this story from Crimea He may, or may not be, 'independent'. Given who he (apparently) works for, as shown on his broadcast, it's not perhaps entirely surprising that what he has to say is rather STRONGLY anti-Ukraine & anti-NATO. People can draw their own conclusions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mfd101 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 7 hours ago, tumama said: U.S and its lackey states are at it again with their blatant hypocrisy. 1. Ukraine illegally violated Russian territorial waters. 2. Ukraine refused verbal orders to stop. 3. Ukraine ignored warning shots. You may be right, or not. The strength of your assertion does suggest that you do have inside information on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theguyfromanotherforum Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Vlad Su Su Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Putin's popularity is down too. Crimea is Ukraine. Building that bridge was a provocation. I don't love either side but Russia is the obvious bully in this conflict. I understand not wanting to go to war over this but let's not delude ourselves. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app BS, Crimea was briefly part of Ukraine , historically was always part of Russia . However in this situation , this is totally irrelevant, Crimea was annexed , bridge was built and it’s a fact . Ukraine decided to play cat and mouse with Russia . Your personal dislike of Putin has no relevance here at all. Introduction of martial law is clear evidence of Poroshenko plan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 21 minutes ago, mfd101 said: You may be right, or not. The strength of your assertion does suggest that you do have inside information on the matter. It’s public information with a number of video clips . Do not neeed to be an “insider” to get access to either???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, BestB said: It’s public information with a number of video clips . Do not neeed to be an “insider” to get access to either???? Yes-inded it is. The fellow is a clown and has tried the usual gambit feeding into the usual paranoia. Hopefully everyone will ignore him and think seriously about these dumb Eastern European would be dictators-and that includes Hungary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 BS, Crimea was briefly part of Ukraine , historically was always part of Russia . However in this situation , this is totally irrelevant, Crimea was annexed , bridge was built and it’s a fact . Ukraine decided to play cat and mouse with Russia . Your personal dislike of Putin has no relevance here at all. Introduction of martial law is clear evidence of Poroshenko plan. Nothing to like about Putin.You can play act his propagandist but most people aren't so dumb as to buy that. Here's some good background on the current crisis. Why the Russia-Ukraine Conflict Is Now Flaring at Sea https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/why-the-russia-ukraine-conflict-is-now-flaring-at-sea-quicktake Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) With Nato playing in the old Soviet fields, it is going to be a conflict sooner or later. Russia is no better or worse than many of our alliance friends and friends of friends. Russia was left with broken back by USA, and given horrible terms and loans after the Afghan failure. It is quite difficult game we are playing, and some reactions is expected. I have full understanding why the russia need Crimea, and not go west for their needs. Less ice in North, and trading partner and stronger allied with China, we will see another game for sure. Pick your game with care I would say. Crimea is a ok offer for anything else on the table. Edited November 27, 2018 by Hummin 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Nothing to like about Putin. You can play act his propagandist but most people aren't so dumb as to buy that. Here's some good background on the current crisis. Why the Russia-Ukraine Conflict Is Now Flaring at Sea https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/why-the-russia-ukraine-conflict-is-now-flaring-at-sea-quicktake Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Again totally irrelevant and again your personal diskike of Putin has nothing to do with this incident 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 10 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Nothing to like about Putin. You can play act his propagandist but most people aren't so dumb as to buy that. Here's some good background on the current crisis. Why the Russia-Ukraine Conflict Is Now Flaring at Sea https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-11-26/why-the-russia-ukraine-conflict-is-now-flaring-at-sea-quicktake Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Again totally irrelevant and again your personal diskike of Putin has nothing to do with this incident Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Just now, BestB said: Again totally irrelevant and again your personal diskike of Putin has nothing to do with this incident Yup-the guy obsessively shrieks about Trump and Putin. Apparently Americans are totally binary in their approach to life. Too much Forrest Gump one would expect.It must be hell to discover that life isn't just like a box of chocolates-especially after you have eaten them all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: Yup-the guy obsessively shrieks about Trump and Putin. Apparently Americans are totally binary in their approach to life. Too much Forrest Gump one would expect.It must be hell to discover that life isn't just like a box of chocolates-especially after you have eaten them all. It is not about Putin or Trump, it is about Nato provoking Russia! Imaging Canada start dealing with Russia as a neighbour? Edited November 27, 2018 by Hummin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Hummin said: It is not about Putin or Trump, it is about Nato provoking Russia! I was responding to another post deriving from 'Jingthing' so we have a major parenthesis happening here.. Never mind..some music.. Edited November 27, 2018 by Odysseus123 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Putin wants more than Crimea. Obviously. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Putin wants more than Crimea. Obviously. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app More nonsense, if he did, he would have taken it already. Repetitive anti Putin bs does not become any more true with repeating it over and over 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 More nonsense, if he did, he would have taken it already. Repetitive anti Putin bs does not become any more true with repeating it over and over Others can see more clearly what he's done and what he's doing. The reason he goes in steps is to test the pushback. Duh. Russia’s latest attack on the Ukrainians is a warning to the West On Saturday evening, three small Ukrainian naval vessels left the Ukrainian port of Odessa and headed for the Ukrainian port of Mariupol. Along the way, they had to pass through the Kerch Strait, a sliver of water that lies between the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula and the Russian mainland. The Ukrainian ships were well within their rights to be there — a similar group of ships went through the strait just a month ago, and a 2003 treaty guarantees the rights of both nations to use those waters. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russias-latest-attack-on-the-ukrainians-is-a-warning-to-the-west/2018/11/26/5c1f3634-f1b6-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Odysseus123 Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, hyku1147 said: A feminist kicks a guy in the balls, then he calls her a bitch, and she screams "misogyny". In no time, the Twitter twits want him castrated. LOL!???? Eh? This thread's about diplomacy,gun boats,a whiff of cordite and the usual fantasies associated with male activities.. Crikey..the Ukraine might be a domino..does anyone remember the crazy American domino theory-back there when the world was young? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Again totally irrelevant and again your personal diskike of Putin has nothing to do with this incident You being a Putin fan boy has nothing to do with it either I suppose. Dude, desist from personalizing this. It's cheap and weak. The topic is the topic. The topic is not me. Got it? Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Jingthing said: Others can see more clearly what he's done and what he's doing. The reason he goes in steps is to test the pushback. Duh.https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/global-opinions/russias-latest-attack-on-the-ukrainians-is-a-warning-to-the-west/2018/11/26/5c1f3634-f1b6-11e8-aeea-b85fd44449f5_story.html Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Oh yes, anti Trump and Anti Russian media reports , so it must be so. So following your logic, it was Putin who sent 3 ships to sail , It was Putin who made them ignore all warning signs and it was Putin who declared martial law in Ukraine just before the elections where current president has 80% disapproval rating. Did I get it all correct ? Do try to think instead of posting nonsense. Ukraine did not dispute that fact it was in Russian waters. Ukraine only disputed that it had notified Russians and Russians are saying they did not . Now if Ukraine is being truthful and coastguard tells you to stop, you stop to confirm or wait for clarifications, you do not ignore or do not respond and continue in total disregard 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaddyWarbucks Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 17 minutes ago, Jingthing said: Putin wants more than Crimea. Obviously. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app 13 minutes ago, BestB said: More nonsense, if he did, he would have taken it already. Repetitive anti Putin bs does not become any more true with repeating it over and over Spot on. It is obvious that the regime in Kiev is in a tailspin and that short of some dramatic action Poroshenko is a goner. Most of the gang around him won't fare much better, especially not if Timoshenko ever gets the presidency... which might happen if the US decides to ditch Poroshenko. For them the options are either to leave the Ukraine or face some serious jail time. Sort of the same situation as Saakashvili had to face. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hummin Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, Odysseus123 said: I was responding to another post deriving from 'Jingthing' so we have a major parenthesis happening here.. Never mind..some music.. Where was I wrong? I stated my personal opinion, wich I feel most forget! Nato is pushing their limits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BestB Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 And plot thickens. According to Ukraine Security Chief, ships had Ukranian spies on it, ie SBU counterintelligence officers. https://ssu.gov.ua/ua/news/1/category/2/view/5463#.JzkM0wsp.dpbs Perhaps explains why they refused to stop, or were unwilling to stop Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 Bickering posts removed. Continue at your own peril. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumama Posted November 27, 2018 Share Posted November 27, 2018 5 hours ago, Jingthing said: Russia’s latest attack on the Ukrainians is a warning to the West On Saturday evening, three small Ukrainian naval vessels left the Ukrainian port of Odessa and headed for the Ukrainian port of Mariupol. Along the way, they had to pass through the Kerch Strait, a sliver of water that lies between the Russian-occupied Crimean Peninsula and the Russian mainland. The Ukrainian ships were well within their rights to be there — a similar group of ships went through the strait just a month ago, and a 2003 treaty guarantees the rights of both nations to use those waters. Whilst true that according to the 2003 treaty, Ukraine does have the right to sail through the strait. What the columnist conveniently leaves out however, is that they need to seek permission first. Which was according to the Russians was not done. Judging from them refusing to obey the coastguards orders and ignored warning shots being fired at them, it should be pretty obvious to anyone that they also didn't follow the rule of applying for permission. What this is is an obvious provocation. Ukraine knows very well that even if they are the ones who break laws and provoke Russia, U.S and its lackey states will immediately back them regardless how bizarre it is. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longcut Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 20 hours ago, Benmart said: Such insight Why should he? This is an EU problem. Let them deal with it. I hope the U.S. stays out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tweedle dee Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Just a bit of hand bag slinging with brass knobs on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tumama Posted November 28, 2018 Share Posted November 28, 2018 Quote Washington should stop adding to the Alliance new members who are security liabilities. Ukraine Should Not Be a Member of NATO https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-not-member-nato-171700384.html 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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