Jingthing Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Individual-1 just tell lies for his base that is ready to buy into his fake narratives because of his perverted cult of personality. To them truth isn't truth, facts aren't facts, reality isn't reality. Gaslighting intoxication syndrome. Their pleasure is the rational majority's pain. A massively destructive movement that needs to be crushed ASAP. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Opl Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL through the many billions of dollars a year that the U.S.A. is saving through the new Trade Deal, the USMCA, that will replace the horrendous NAFTA Trade Deal, which has so badly hurt our Country. Mexico & Canada will also thrive - good for all! 75.7K 1:40 AM - Jan 1, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 49.8K people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 4 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: Around the house is a 10 foot wall. Then it must be invisible. Fine, I'll get some pics from Google Street View: That's the house from two different angles. THERE IS NO WALL AROUND IT. Your picture shows the parking area, which has a FENCE around it. 4 minutes ago, TonyClifton said: Stop zooming my photo and quit the games. Go zoom someone else. Any more posts like that from you and we're going to hook up a breathalizer to your PC. No posting until you can blow at least a .08 on the breathalizer. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump The Democrats will probably submit a Bill, being cute as always, which gives everything away but gives NOTHING to Border Security, namely the Wall. You see, without the Wall there can be no Border Security - the Tech “stuff” is just, by comparison, meaningless bells & whistles......Remember this. Throughout the ages some things NEVER get better and NEVER change. You have Walls and you have Wheels. It was ALWAYS that way and it will ALWAYS be that way! Please explain to the Democrats that there can NEVER be a replacement for a good old fashioned WALL! 72.2K 1:51 AM - Jan 1, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 35.3K people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Opl said: The Democrats will probably submit a Bill, being cute as always, which gives everything away but gives NOTHING to Border Security, namely the Wall. You see, without the Wall there can be no Border Security - the Tech “stuff” is just, by comparison, meaningless bells & whistles......Remember this. Throughout the ages some things NEVER get better and NEVER change. You have Walls and you have Wheels. It was ALWAYS that way and it will ALWAYS be that way! Please explain to the Democrats that there can NEVER be a replacement for a good old fashioned WALL! Trump says he doesn't drink - but I'm not so sure. I mean what else could cause this? Edited January 1, 2019 by attrayant Trying to change the quote tag from "Opl said" to "Trump said" but the forum software forbids it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) TRUMP: " Throughout the ages some things NEVER get better and NEVER change. You have Walls and you have Wheels. It was ALWAYS that way and it will ALWAYS be that way! Please explain to the Democrats that there can NEVER be a replacement for a good old fashioned WALL! " Edited January 1, 2019 by Opl Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
welovesundaysatspace Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 19 minutes ago, attrayant said: How high would you say that wall is? For people with very tiny hands it probably feels like a 20 ft high wall. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post keemapoot Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 7 minutes ago, Opl said: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL through the many billions of dollars a year that the U.S.A. is saving through the new Trade Deal, the USMCA, that will replace the horrendous NAFTA Trade Deal, which has so badly hurt our Country. Mexico & Canada will also thrive - good for all! 75.7K 1:40 AM - Jan 1, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 49.8K people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL because the Taco Bell Chihuahua says so. Are Trump supporters really such simpletons? Can't they reason through an issue critically, do some research, contemplate implications and conclusions? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Opl said: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL through the many billions of dollars a year that the U.S.A. is saving through the new Trade Deal, the USMCA, that will replace the horrendous NAFTA Trade Deal, which has so badly hurt our Country. Mexico & Canada will also thrive - good for all! 75.7K 1:40 AM - Jan 1, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 49.8K people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy A whole raft made of straw that he can clutch on to! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Thakkar Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Opl said: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump The Democrats will probably submit a Bill, being cute as always, which gives everything away but gives NOTHING to Border Security, namely the Wall. You see, without the Wall there can be no Border Security - the Tech “stuff” is just, by comparison, meaningless bells & whistles......Remember this. Throughout the ages some things NEVER get better and NEVER change. You have Walls and you have Wheels. It was ALWAYS that way and it will ALWAYS be that way! Please explain to the Democrats that there can NEVER be a replacement for a good old fashioned WALL! 72.2K 1:51 AM - Jan 1, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 35.3K people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy “You have walls and you have wheels” Is he talking about building a wall on wheels so that, like the old video game, “pong” it can be rapidly wheeled to whereever The Caravan is going? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samran Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 hour ago, Opl said: Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL through the many billions of dollars a year that the U.S.A. is saving through the new Trade Deal, the USMCA, that will replace the horrendous NAFTA Trade Deal, which has so badly hurt our Country. Mexico & Canada will also thrive - good for all! 75.7K 1:40 AM - Jan 1, 2019 Twitter Ads info and privacy 49.8K people are talking about this Twitter Ads info and privacy Um, if Mexico is already ‘paying’ for the wall, why does Donnie need this money again? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot1066 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 9 hours ago, Jingthing said: Not your Googlebot. Would be good to have an actual source? Then we could check if a genuine poll or not ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patriot1066 Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 32 minutes ago, samran said: Um, if Mexico is already ‘paying’ for the wall, why does Donnie need this money again? Well NAFTA was a very bad deal for the US so President Trump rewrote the NAFTA deal so America is richer as a result, but the money is in different pots so to speak, and he needs to move the money to his wall pot. The biggest issue with NAFTA was that quantative easing allowed American companies to borrow cheaply then relocate their production to Mexico, then import goods previously made in America without tariffs and altering the deficit in a bad way, also causing millions of hard working Americans to loose jobs. So NAFTA bad, Trumps strong approach seems good? He needs to transfer it to the stop what his millions of suporters see as illegal imigration so need a wall for greater border security. In security or criminology terms situational crime prevention methods (walls, locks, fences, tight control etc) work very well so his wall is a proven crime prevention method. http://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-3 It was an election promise and he seems to want to keep it? So I think it's good to keep promises, hard to disagree with that? https://www.thebalance.com/donald-trump-nafta-4111368 Edited January 1, 2019 by Patriot1066 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 10 minutes ago, Patriot1066 said: Well NAFTA was a very bad deal for the US so President Trump rewrote the NAFTA deal so America is richer as a result, but the money is in different pots so to speak, and he needs to move the money to his wall pot. The biggest issue with NAFTA was that quantative easing allowed American companies to borrow cheaply then relocate their production to Mexico, then import goods previously made in America without tariffs and altering the deficit in a bad way, also causing millions of hard working Americans to loose jobs. So NAFTA bad, Trumps strong approach seems good? He needs to transfer it to the stop what his millions of suporters see as illegal imigration so need a wall for greater border security. In security or criminology terms situational crime prevention methods (walls, locks, fences, tight control etc) work very well so his wall is a proven crime prevention method. http://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-3 It was an election promise and he seems to want to keep it? So I think it's good to keep promises, hard to disagree with that? https://www.thebalance.com/donald-trump-nafta-4111368 Trump rewrote Nafta? Well, it wasn't much of a rewrite. Economists aren't even sure if the US will come out ahead on the deal. If it does, it won't be much. A very tiny increase in access to Canada's dairy market after all Trump's ranting and raving. A labor provision that may improve workers' pay or simply drive production elsewhere. Either way, it's not expected to amount to much. And the heart of the agreement, namely no tariffs among the 3 nations, remains intact. After all Trump's reviling of Nafta to end up like this? Sad. As for keeping an election promise, why is this one so important? By all polls, even those from Fox, Trump's immigration stance isn't popular and the wall less so. Remember his trillion dollar infrastructure program? What happened to that promise? A far more important one. It got pissed away to finance his 2 trillion dollar tax cut. Which, by the way, he didn't promise in his campaign. In fact, during that campaign, he even mused about raising taxes on the rich. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tug Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 Ahh patriot 1066 Donald tweaked nafta a tiny bit then he is trying to clame he rewrote it typical trump rebranding con job don’t fall for it the dems I suspect will send a generous offer to Donald without wall funding for Donald to reject so he can fully own the shutdown 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Jingthing Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 Speaking of promises, how about the promise Individual-1 made that all Americans would have health care, much better and cheaper than demon Obamacare? What's become of that promise? Anything? Hmm? The wall is and was simply a racist metaphor. Quote Trump’s wall is a monument to vanity and bigotry Republicans used to shut down the federal government with the intention (generally) of curbing public spending. President Trump’s GOP, in contrast, shuts down the federal government with the goal of constructing a continent-long wall of dubious utility that will require (by one estimate) three times the concrete poured in building the Hoover Dam. https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/trumps-wall-is-a-monument-to-vanity-and-bigotry/2018/12/31/361a7478-0d43-11e9-84fc-d58c33d6c8c7_story.html 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 13 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said: There are border tunnels which go undetected along the US/Mexico border, there are major rivers, rough terrain, transit via water. Simply put in a world where travel is easier than in the past, where there is an economic draw to lure and an unstable and in many case unsafe country that you are coming with - you will always have a large number of people willing to make an attempt. Some interesting facts, most people that were/are illegal in the US -- entered legally and overstayed. In the most recent year, Canada is the worst offender as far as overstaying in the US (more than twice as many as Mexico). For people that cannot legally enter the United States, or are turned away from initial entry, they can always get transit into the US -- and most illegal smuggling is done through major ports.Simply put, a 'wall' is a purely political thing with little practicality. It is wall stretching along the border would cost probably on the order of 100 billion (not 5 billion). That wall would only be trying to solve a small portion of the problem -- since it is not where most of the problem is. What would be more effective, well making hiring non-legal people but that would require a more invasive immigration where the US government knows who every non-US citizen is in the US at all times (Thailand does that and they still have a major 'illegals problem'). You will have to have a national ID system where every time a person is hired or paid for any work you have to present the national ID and check to make sure they are legal. Then penalize severely anyone hiring an illegal worker. This check would have to be done each time a contractor is hired by individuals -- right up to large corporations. Take away the economic attraction and you will lessen the problem. The country has to make sacrifices in freedom to accomplish this... and once it does the economy will be hit since the dirty little secret is that a lot of some types of employment are done by foreigners... because of many reasons (can be money, can be that people feel better than that that they would rather not work at the job and be unemployed rather than take 'demeaning' work). Things have changed -- in the past people just walked across their own farm land or their neighbours and went shopping in the other country and 'snuck' back with the border patrol literally turning a blind eye or giving a warning -- but things have changed -- and not for the better (my mother use to walk into the US across the family farm into the US).A real wall is environmentally damaging and not getting to the root of the problem in a large way. More monitoring would help, but given that drugs were very illegal and typically more than 50% of Americans and Canadians had tried it when it was very illegal. When the taxes on alcohol went up in Ontario over 33% of the establishments sold smuggled alcohol. If there is an economic draw to it - there will always be someone to fill in the gap. Some of Canada's richest families got that way because of smuggling during prohibition times. So .. yes build about 120 miles of walls for 5 billion and there will be another way whether it is over, under through tunnels -- around or just fly in. It might raise the cost a little, but it can always be offset since the smugglers are always looking for desperate people to hire to help. Yes the wall is a nonsense but no point in telling Trump's base , they all have their heads in the sand. Its never actually been about a physical wall though , its just good old fashioned ' blame Johnny foreigner ' rhetoric , the same bedrock as all 'popularist' right wing movements. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 12 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said: Where exactly was the reference backing up your initial claim that “we Americans want a wall”? The Troll eats a lot of roughage , is generally regular , so evidence should be available in the morning. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
joecoolfrog Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 6 hours ago, keemapoot said: MEXICO IS PAYING FOR THE WALL because the Taco Bell Chihuahua says so. Are Trump supporters really such simpletons? Can't they reason through an issue critically, do some research, contemplate implications and conclusions? I think by now we all know the answer , yes the vast majority are indeed simpletons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post samran Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Patriot1066 said: Well NAFTA was a very bad deal for the US so President Trump rewrote the NAFTA deal so America is richer as a result, but the money is in different pots so to speak, and he needs to move the money to his wall pot. The biggest issue with NAFTA was that quantative easing allowed American companies to borrow cheaply then relocate their production to Mexico, then import goods previously made in America without tariffs and altering the deficit in a bad way, also causing millions of hard working Americans to loose jobs. So NAFTA bad, Trumps strong approach seems good? He needs to transfer it to the stop what his millions of suporters see as illegal imigration so need a wall for greater border security. In security or criminology terms situational crime prevention methods (walls, locks, fences, tight control etc) work very well so his wall is a proven crime prevention method. http://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-3 It was an election promise and he seems to want to keep it? So I think it's good to keep promises, hard to disagree with that? https://www.thebalance.com/donald-trump-nafta-4111368 Oh bless. My 12 year old daughter writes more sound and sophisticated economic pieces than you just did. And what are these ‘other pots of money’ you speak of? And why was Donnie - you know so great and fabulous at everything - so careless at not automatic directing those ‘savings’ to pay for the wall? You know, if there is extra money now in other people’s pockets, surely he now has to tax them for it? Or do things work different in Trump eco fantasy world? According to any serious economic analysis, the biggest change to NAFTA is that they replaced the letters in the title. Edited January 1, 2019 by samran 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post riclag Posted January 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 7 hours ago, Patriot1066 said: Well NAFTA was a very bad deal for the US so President Trump rewrote the NAFTA deal so America is richer as a result, but the money is in different pots so to speak, and he needs to move the money to his wall pot. The biggest issue with NAFTA was that quantative easing allowed American companies to borrow cheaply then relocate their production to Mexico, then import goods previously made in America without tariffs and altering the deficit in a bad way, also causing millions of hard working Americans to loose jobs. So NAFTA bad, Trumps strong approach seems good? He needs to transfer it to the stop what his millions of suporters see as illegal imigration so need a wall for greater border security. In security or criminology terms situational crime prevention methods (walls, locks, fences, tight control etc) work very well so his wall is a proven crime prevention method. http://oxfordre.com/criminology/view/10.1093/acrefore/9780190264079.001.0001/acrefore-9780190264079-e-3 It was an election promise and he seems to want to keep it? So I think it's good to keep promises, hard to disagree with that? https://www.thebalance.com/donald-trump-nafta-4111368 Promises made Promises kept! Bottom line the shoddy fencing and barriers at the southern border now,isn't working! thousands upon thousands aren't using the front door approach! Build the wall! Stop illegals,drugs,gang members and terrorists! Edited January 1, 2019 by riclag 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 5 minutes ago, riclag said: Promises made Promises kept! Bottom line the shoddy fencing and barriers at the southern border now,isn't working! thousands upon thousands aren't using the front door approach! Trump has had two years of majority in both the House and the Senate. He’s not been able to keep his promise of a wall. He has however handed billions to the nation’s richest and massively expanded the national debt. January 3, it’s game over. Checks and balances are back where they should be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Trump has had two years of majority in both the House and the Senate. He’s not been able to keep his promise of a wall. He has however handed billions to the nation’s richest and massively expanded the national debt. January 3, it’s game over. Checks and balances are back where they should be. If you say so! I don't think like you and that's a good thing! I look at 6 more years,plenty of time for American's to see the lack of border security that's in place! Build that wall for security and sovereignty Edited January 1, 2019 by riclag 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 2 minutes ago, riclag said: If you say so! I don't think like you and that's a good thing! I look at 6 more years,plenty of time for American's to see the lack of border security that's in place Two years of a super majority - No wall. I’d fix on getting through the next six months if I were you. It’s going to be a fun ride. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 1, 2019 Share Posted January 1, 2019 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: Two years of a super majority - No wall. I’d fix on getting through the next six months if I were you. It’s going to be a fun ride. Hardly a super majority when for decades dem's and gop have never come to a solution to the problem of illegal immigration and border security! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bristolboy Posted January 2, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted January 2, 2019 44 minutes ago, riclag said: Promises made Promises kept! Bottom line the shoddy fencing and barriers at the southern border now,isn't working! thousands upon thousands aren't using the front door approach! Build the wall! Stop illegals,drugs,gang members and terrorists! The world's worst terrorists. So far none of that multitude of them coming in over the southern border have committed any terrorist acts in the USA. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 18 minutes ago, riclag said: If you say so! I don't think like you and that's a good thing! I look at 6 more years,plenty of time for American's to see the lack of border security that's in place! Build that wall for security and sovereignty If it didn't bother Americans enough to do something 20 years ago when the number of immigrants was many times what it is now, why should it bother them now. The number of illegal immigrants residing in the USA has actually declined over the last few years. And if the Trump administration really wants to solve the problem it should be supporting family planning programs in Central America instead of slashing them. Family planning has worked miracles in that regard in Mexico. There has actually been a net outflow of Mexicans in the last several years. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, bristolboy said: The world's worst terrorists. So far none of that multitude of them coming in over the southern border have committed any terrorist acts in the USA. Build the wall Stop Illegals,gang members, drugs,human trafficking and terrorist! decades of ineffective border security can't continue 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 7 minutes ago, riclag said: Build the wall Stop Illegals,gang members, drugs,human trafficking and terrorist! decades of ineffective border security can't continue Who you telling to build the wall? Once again, Trump had a majority in both the House and the Senate - he could not get his wall built. I hear impotence often leads to frustration and anger. Perhaps that’s what’s behind all the tantrums. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Who you telling to build the wall? Once again, Trump had a majority in both the House and the Senate - he could not get his wall built. I hear impotence often leads to frustration and anger. Perhaps that’s what’s behind all the tantrums. thousands upon thousands of illegals come over under and through the shoddy fencing and barriers! It must stop! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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