rooster59 Posted January 5, 2019 Share Posted January 5, 2019 Three killed, four wounded in California bowling alley shooting By Brendan O'Brien Police officers investigate a shooting at a bowling alley in the Los Angeles suburb of Torrance, California, U.S., January 5, 2019. REUTERS/Ringo Chiu (Reuters) - Three men were killed and four wounded in a shooting at a bowling alley in the Los Angeles suburb of Torrance and police said early on Saturday they were searching for a suspect or suspects. The incident followed a fight at the Gable House Bowl, a bowling alley and arcade that also offers laser tag, according to local media. The Torrance Police Department said officers responded to a shot-fired call at the location found multiple gunshot victims. Two men were taken to hospital, two opted to seek their own medical attention, and three were pronounced dead at the scene. "Investigators are currently conducting a follow-up investigation, and are working to identify the suspect(s) involved," the department said in a statement. Customers described a fight before the gunshots rang out. "We just ran into the bar and we just took cover because after the fight we heard 'pop! pop!'" Gable House Bowl patron Jesus Perez told the Los Angeles Times. Torrance is about 25 miles (40 km) south of Los Angeles. -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-01-06 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ulic Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 LA, someone dissed someone. Just can't have that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dunroaming Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just another day in the land of wannabe cowboys. Nothing will change while the people support their stupid outdated gun laws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsensam Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Ulic said: LA, someone dissed someone. Just can't have that. that fragile thai, oops, american male ego plus insane gun laws. very sad. again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tchooptip Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, samsensam said: that fragile thai, oops, american male ego plus insane gun laws. very sad. again. Shoot and kill people for a fight On top of the ego problem, there is a problem of mental debility because it's destroying one's personal life at the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 3 hours ago, samsensam said: that fragile thai, oops, american male ego plus insane gun laws. very sad. again. Don't know if this shooting had anything to do with male ego.... Could have been a fight over drugs, or money owed, or perhaps just drunken stupidity. If the news report explained any motivation, I wouldn't have any problem calling a spade a spade. But in this case, we just don't know. Now, insane guns laws in the U.S., that part, I'm not going to quibble about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camble Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 I wish it was just a movie. RIP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opl Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted January 6, 2019 Share Posted January 6, 2019 Just in, statement from NRA Nothing to do with guns, no siree, not guns responsible for this, uh huh, not a chance, no way guns to blame... sarcasm alert Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Isn't it nice to see, that 2019 is just picking up, where 2018 left! Makes you feel kind of fuzzy inside, that some things just stay the same! >sarcasm off < ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 The thing is, California has fairly strict gun laws. Among the strictest in the country. Yet still this kind of thing happens. Makes you think that perhaps gun laws aren't the answer... or perhaps criminals will ignore the laws no matter what they are. Reality is that gun violence and murder in the US are lower than they have been in a long time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 6 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: The thing is, California has fairly strict gun laws. Among the strictest in the country. Yet still this kind of thing happens. Makes you think that perhaps gun laws aren't the answer... or perhaps criminals will ignore the laws no matter what they are. Reality is that gun violence and murder in the US are lower than they have been in a long time. You understand, that ONE STATE can have gun laws as strict as they come- it doesn't really matter, if the rest of the states sell rifles, guns, pistols, colts or assault- riffles at the 7eleven...?! And about your last sentence: I guess, you have a statistic to back that up and it is NOT by the NRA!? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: The thing is, California has fairly strict gun laws. Among the strictest in the country. Yet still this kind of thing happens. Makes you think that perhaps gun laws aren't the answer... or perhaps criminals will ignore the laws no matter what they are. Reality is that gun violence and murder in the US are lower than they have been in a long time. And yet, much much higher than in a lot of other developed / first world countries in Europe and Asia where guns are not readily allowed to nearly the same extent as the U.S.. I saw some statistics the other day that said there are more guns in the U.S. than there is the total population of the country, meaning more than 1 gun on average for every single person in the U.S. The guns laws that have been tightened in SOME jurisdictions in past years really have dealt with regulating new purchases, but AFAIK, have done little or nothing to reduce the quantity/prevalence of guns in the U.S. And with that many guns, guns are bound to be used, and people are bound to get shot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sqwakvfr Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 First of all this tragedy occurred in the city of Torrance. Torrance is located approximately 10 miles south of LAX. Yes, I grew up in Torrance and the neighborhood surrounding the Gable House bowling alley is a great area. I have been there many times in the past. Torrance is located in the county of Los Angeles and is one of the safest cities in the entire nation. This trajedy occurred at a late night Friday part. As usual alcohol, late night party and the “theme”of the party were factors in the shooting. I am not going to elaborate on the “Theme” because in the current Politically Correct climate any further elaboration would could be deemed prejudiced or some would classify it as racist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 You are right about the number of guns. However, a lot of them are concentrated in a few hands (collectors and hobbyists). The number of adults that actually own a gun is about 30%. This is higher in rural areas, lower in urban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, Hanaguma said: You are right about the number of guns. However, a lot of them are concentrated in a few hands (collectors and hobbyists). The number of adults that actually own a gun is about 30%. This is higher in rural areas, lower in urban. Ree your comment above, the households with guns rates are higher than those who admit to owning a gun. Also, urban gun ownership is said to be higher than rural, the opposite of your comment. From CNN: Quote There is no countrywide database where people register whether they own guns (the law doesn't allow it). We have to rely on surveys instead. High quality telephone polls from Gallup and the Pew Research Center in 2017 found that 42% of people in the US live in households with guns. According to the General Social Survey, which has a much higher response rate than telephone polls and interviews people in person, a relatively lower 32% of Americans said in 2016 that they lived in household with guns. The gap between telephone and GSS surveys has existed in some form for 20 years, so it isn't just a one-off difference. It's not clear which datasets are more correct. The GSS, with its high response rate, is generally thought of as the gold standard survey in understanding social trends in America. It is conceivable, though, that people may not want to admit to owning guns to people who are standing in front of them. Quote Republicans are more likely to own guns than Democrats. Whites are more likely to own guns than blacks. Men are more likely to own guns than women. People in urban areas are more likely to own guns than those in rural areas. https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/15/politics/guns-dont-know-how-many-america/index.html And yet..... As I mentioned, the U.S. has the highest per capita rate of civilian guns of any nation in the world -- more civilian guns than population. So SOME U.S. folks out there have A LOT of guns.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estimated_number_of_civilian_guns_per_capita_by_country Not surprisingly, the U.S. also has one of the highest MURDER rates among developed countries: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country U.S. more than 5 per 100,000 population per year. France -- 1.35 England/Wales -- 1.22 Germany -- 1.18 Sweden -- 1.08 New Zealand -- 0.99 Australia -- 0.94 Taiwan -- 0.82 South Korea -- 0.70 Italy -- 0.67 Hong Kong -- 0.38 Singapore -- 0.32 Japan -- 0.28 etc etc.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 Oh, I don't deny the murder rate at all, nor the number of guns floating around. Both are facts. Strange stat I read somewhere (can't remember the place) is that something like 100 million guns are owned by only 3% of gun owners- in other words, people who have dozens of weapons. Don't think that they are the problem though. The problem, at least in terms of homicide, is handgun possession by urban males. The vast majority of homicides are with handguns, not rifles or shotguns or "assault rifles" (whatever those are). To be brutally honest, a big issue is young black men killing other young black men. Tragically, African Americans are six to eight times more likely than whites to be both the victim of murder and the murderer. There is more to the issue than simply counting guns and crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DM07 Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 2 hours ago, sqwakvfr said: First of all this tragedy occurred in the city of Torrance. Torrance is located approximately 10 miles south of LAX. Yes, I grew up in Torrance and the neighborhood surrounding the Gable House bowling alley is a great area. I have been there many times in the past. Torrance is located in the county of Los Angeles and is one of the safest cities in the entire nation. This trajedy occurred at a late night Friday part. As usual alcohol, late night party and the “theme”of the party were factors in the shooting. I am not going to elaborate on the “Theme” because in the current Politically Correct climate any further elaboration would could be deemed prejudiced or some would classify it as racist. I'd say: if the shoe fits.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TallGuyJohninBKK Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 13 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: The problem, at least in terms of homicide, is handgun possession by urban males. The vast majority of homicides are with handguns, not rifles or shotguns or "assault rifles" (whatever those are). To be brutally honest, a big issue is young black men killing other young black men. Tragically, African Americans are six to eight times more likely than whites to be both the victim of murder and the murderer. There is more to the issue than simply counting guns and crime. It's not as simple as racial makeup. Studies have shown that poverty is the more correlated factor when it comes to male youths and adults and crime: Quote Race and socioeconomic status While there is a correlation between blacks and Hispanics and crime, the data imply a much stronger tie between poverty and crime than crime and any racial group, when gender is taken into consideration.[74] The direct correlation between crime and class, when factoring for race alone, is relatively weak. When gender, and familial history are factored, class correlates more strongly with crime than race or ethnicity.[75][76] Studies indicate that areas with low socioeconomic status may have the greatest correlation of crime with young and adult males, regardless of racial composition, though its effect on females is negligible.[75][76] A 1996 study looking at data from Columbus, Ohio found that differences in disadvantage in city neighborhoods explained the vast majority of the difference in crime rates between blacks and whites,[77] and two 2003 studies looking at violent offending among juveniles reached similar conclusions.[78][79] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Race_and_socioeconomic_status Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
seahorse Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said: It's not as simple as racial makeup. Studies have shown that poverty is the more correlated factor when it comes to male youths and adults and crime: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_crime_in_the_United_States#Race_and_socioeconomic_status It's more than just socio-economic status. It's an attitude problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 9 hours ago, Hanaguma said: The thing is, California has fairly strict gun laws. Among the strictest in the country. Yet still this kind of thing happens. Makes you think that perhaps gun laws aren't the answer... or perhaps criminals will ignore the laws no matter what they are. Reality is that gun violence and murder in the US are lower than they have been in a long time. Your assumption that gun violence is lower is not supported by the statistics: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/health/common-methods-of-homicide-cdc/index.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanaguma Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 8 minutes ago, Scott said: Your assumption that gun violence is lower is not supported by the statistics: https://www.cnn.com/2018/07/26/health/common-methods-of-homicide-cdc/index.html You are looking at a very narrow time frame, only two years. According to your article, homicide peaked in tbe 1990s before dropping to today`s relatively low level. The trend is downward and has been for more than thirty years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Posted January 7, 2019 Share Posted January 7, 2019 22 minutes ago, Hanaguma said: You are looking at a very narrow time frame, only two years. According to your article, homicide peaked in tbe 1990s before dropping to today`s relatively low level. The trend is downward and has been for more than thirty years. And now it is ticking back up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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