Northern Ireland voters want a soft Brexit - poll

[webfact]

Northern Ireland voters want a soft Brexit - poll

 

FILE PHOTO: A former customs hut is seen behind a Brexit sign between Donegal in the Republic of Ireland and Londonderry in Northern Ireland at the border village of Muff, Ireland, February 1, 2018. REUTERS/Clodagh Kilcoyne/File photo

 

DUBLIN (Reuters) - Voters in Northern Ireland want the softest possible Brexit and would prefer checks on goods travelling between Great Britain and Northern Ireland rather than checks on the Irish border, a poll for the Irish Times showed on Friday.

 

A significant majority, 67 percent, support a Brexit in which the United Kingdom stays in the EU's single market and customs union, so avoiding the need for checks anywhere, the Irish Times/Ipsos MRBI poll showed.

 

Almost 60 percent say they want a special arrangement for Northern Ireland for no checks on the border, even if that meant some checks on goods travelling between Great Britain and its province of Northern Ireland.

 

The poll found that Northern Irish voters are deeply dissatisfied with the management of Brexit by the UK government and, most significantly, with the Democratic Unionist Party, the Northern Irish party which props up Prime Minister Theresa May's government.

 

More than two-thirds of all voters (67 percent) say the DUP is doing a bad job of representing Northern Ireland at Westminster, while 69 percent of people -- including 57 percent of those from a Protestant background –- are dissatisfied with DUP leader Arlene Foster.

 

Dissatisfaction with the UK government was at more that 75 percent.

 

The poll was conducted in Northern Ireland through face-to-face interviews among a national quota sample of 536 people throughout all regions. Personal in-home interviewing took place on March 4, 5 and 6. The accuracy level is estimated to be about plus or minus 4.29 percent.

 

A parallel poll in Ireland found that almost half of all voters south of the border (49 percent) favour a referendum on Irish unity and a clear majority (62 percent) would vote in favour of unification.

 

Over half of Irish voters (54 percent) say they are satisfied with the way the Irish government has handled Brexit.

 

The poll in Ireland was conducted on March 4 and 5 with a representative sample of 1,200 voters aged 18 and over in face-to-face interviews at 120 sampling points in all constituencies. The margin of error is plus or minus 2.8 per cent.

 

(Reporting by Graham Fahy; Editing by Catherine Evans)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2019-03-08

[Phuketshrew]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

A former customs hut is seen behind a Brexit sign between Donegal in the Republic of Ireland and Londonderry in Northern Ireland at the border village of Muff

hahaha - a village of Muff. That must be one for NC's bucket list ????

[samran]

The tyranny of the majority.

 

The new world certainly learnt from the old world and it is a major reason why referendum and constitutional change in places like Australia and the US require super majorities, so that situations like this don't occur where significant, but minority, needs, aren't rode roughshod over.

[sanemax]

Just now, samran said:

The tyranny of the majority.

 

The new world certainly learnt from the old world and it is a major reason why referendum and constitutional change in places like Australia and the US require super majorities, so that situations like this don't occur where significant, but minority, needs, aren't rode roughshod over.

So, you are saying that referendums should have a 75 % agreement rate ?

O.K. any future referendums in the UK asking as to whether the UK should rejoin the E.U. should have to have a 75 % *Yes* vote for it to pass .

[samran]

3 minutes ago, sanemax said:

So, you are saying that referendums should have a 75 % agreement rate ?

O.K. any future referendums in the UK asking as to whether the UK should rejoin the E.U. should have to have a 75 % *Yes* vote for it to pass .

whats done is done, so perhaps yes.

 

In terms of thresholds, I'll leave that to smarter people. But 2/3's is something that I've heard of bandied about.

 

With that though, you'll need to take the fact that sitting with the current decision is likely to break up the union somewhat.

Edited March 8, 2019 by samran

[connda]

I'd like to see the poll results broken down between Protestants and Catholics.

[Loiner]

Just more polling numbers, for an Irish newspaper, spun to suit by Reuters. Meaningless but fills a space in the agency releases.

[welovesundaysatspace]

35 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Just more polling numbers, for an Irish newspaper, spun to suit by Reuters. Meaningless but fills a space in the agency releases.

Let’s not talk about how meaningless the manipulated opinion poll of 2016 is. 

[Baerboxer]

19 hours ago, sanemax said:

So, you are saying that referendums should have a 75 % agreement rate ?

O.K. any future referendums in the UK asking as to whether the UK should rejoin the E.U. should have to have a 75 % *Yes* vote for it to pass .

 

Actually referendums are only advisory and have no legally binding effect in the UK.

 

But common sense suggests that there should be some rules regarding %s when it come to how significant that advice should be taken by the government and parliament.

 

Parliament is sovereign in the UK. A representative democracy which is envisaged will stop the sort of mess we now find the UK in; protect minorities; and ensure a fairer representation across all areas. What should have happened is parliament should have been given a free vote and each MP could have taken the views of their constituents, the result of the referendum, their party's policy and most importantly their own conscience into consideration before voting. That's what they're elected to do, and what they're paid for.

[puipuitom]

On ‎3‎/‎8‎/‎2019 at 10:47 AM, sanemax said:

So, you are saying that referendums should have a 75 % agreement rate ?

O.K. any future referendums in the UK asking as to whether the UK should rejoin the E.U. should have to have a 75 % *Yes* vote for it to pass .

The U.K. referendum on 5 June 1975 had a 67,23 % vote FOR staying in the EU. In NL it needs 2 successive votes a 2/3 majority to change the constitution. Being member (or not ) of the EU is a constitution question) .

But do not worry, in months the entire U,.K. "make" industry for export will switch to the EU ( Mini to Limburg - NL, Honda back to Japan, as EU-Japan agreed on 0% duty, while "third countries like UK after a no deal will fact 10%, Nissin-Sunderland ? Airbus ?). Then with a dramatic low employment, the U.K. will vote for a 90+ % to return back to the EU, in the hope these industries will return. Of course not !  The U.K. will return to the times of Alfred the Great, Maybe Henri VIII ! 

Edited March 9, 2019 by puipuitom

[Jaggg88]

2 hours ago, puipuitom said:

The U.K. referendum on 5 June 1975 had a 67,23 % vote FOR staying in the EU. In NL it needs 2 successive votes a 2/3 majority to change the constitution. Being member (or not ) of the EU is a constitution question) .

But do not worry, in months the entire U,.K. "make" industry for export will switch to the EU ( Mini to Limburg - NL, Honda back to Japan, as EU-Japan agreed on 0% duty, while "third countries like UK after a no deal will fact 10%, Nissin-Sunderland ? Airbus ?). Then with a dramatic low employment, the U.K. will vote for a 90+ % to return back to the EU, in the hope these industries will return. Of course not !  The U.K. will return to the times of Alfred the Great, Maybe Henri VIII ! 

Are you a fully paid up member of project fear? ???? The UK has never voted to join the EU! In 1975 it voted to join the EEC, just a trading block. This made sense back in the 1970s as shipping costs were very high so it made sense to trade with your near neighbours but shipping costs are now very cheap so it makes sense to trade with the rest of the world. 95% of British registered companies do not export to the EU and 55% of UK exports already go outside the EU. Airbus is not making anymore A380s as nobody wants them so nothing to do with Brexit. The car industry is depressed right across Europe as diesel cars are to be phased out over the next 20 years so Honda is concentrating on electric cars in Japan. They stated that this decision had nothing to do with Brexit in their press release but don't you let the truth get in the way of your propaganda. 

[welovesundaysatspace]

14 minutes ago, Jaggg88 said:

(...) a trading block. This made sense back in the 1970s as shipping costs were very high so it made sense to trade with your near neighbours but shipping costs are now very cheap so it makes sense to trade with the rest of the world.

I guess that’s why most countries prefer to trade with the rest of the world rather than their neighbors and avoid any sort of trading blocs and deals. Thank you for another lesson from the Brexiteers‘ economics 101. 

[puipuitom]

49 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

 

1 hour ago, Jaggg88 said:

Are you a fully paid up member of project fear? ???? The UK has never voted to join the EU! In 1975 it voted to join the EEC, just a trading block. This made sense back in the 1970s as shipping costs were very high so it made sense to trade with your near neighbours but shipping costs are now very cheap so it makes sense to trade with the rest of the world. 95% of British registered companies do not export to the EU and 55% of UK exports already go outside the EU. Airbus is not making anymore A380s as nobody wants them so nothing to do with Brexit. The car industry is depressed right across Europe as diesel cars are to be phased out over the next 20 years so Honda is concentrating on electric cars in Japan. They stated that this decision had nothing to do with Brexit in their press release but don't you let the truth get in the way of your propaganda. 

The EEC developed - with agreement of all their members inclusive the U.K. - into the EU.

A LOT of additional activities were organised, for instance of foods the RASFF database, and mutual acceptance of inspections, for the U.K. the FSA. 30 April thisdis over, so bye-bye beef, port, lamb, sheep, poultry and fish products export to the EU. seen vetrinary and phytosanitary inspections. Also a 13,7 % import duty for sweets, chocolate, and a lot more confectionary.

Shipping cost.. since the invention of massive transport with containers... in 1977 a 20 ft from the USA-East coast to Rotterdam was US$ 800 and now from China + S.E.Asia the same: around $ 700-900. A "HUGE" impact compared with the value of a container of canned / bottled etc foods... of US$ 15K-20K ( = 5% ). Still, it last a 30 days, and from UK-R'dam a 10? hours.

For your export figures: you forget what all goes to countries associated with the EU = same customs regulations. Good luck in finding new customers in Latin America, Africa, Middle east, India etc. Plus additional transport does not make high wage produced U.K. products competative there.

Airbus makes a littlebit more as only the A380: A220, A300, A310, A318, A319, A320, A321, A330, A340, A350.

You believe Honda, a brand company, which depends on the purchases of their customers: "Honda lets the U.K. sink, so we British let Honda sink "?  Why you think Mini ( as British as Rover.. oh.. went bankrupt in 2005) will go to Born - Netherlands ?  Since the early 1990s many British car marques have been acquired by foreign companies including BMW (Mini and Rolls-Royce), SAIC (MG), Tata (Jaguar and Land Rover) and Volkswagen Group (Bentley). Rights to many currently dormant marques, including Austin, Riley, Rover and Triumph, are also owned by foreign companies.

 

No wonder so many British believed Boris the Liar with his 350 million pounds a week to the NHS instead of wasted in "Brussels"...

Edited March 9, 2019 by puipuitom

[bristolboy]

2 hours ago, Jaggg88 said:

Are you a fully paid up member of project fear? ???? The UK has never voted to join the EU! In 1975 it voted to join the EEC, just a trading block. This made sense back in the 1970s as shipping costs were very high so it made sense to trade with your near neighbours but shipping costs are now very cheap so it makes sense to trade with the rest of the world. 

So if that's the case why is that it's virtually a universally true observation that nations proportionally trade a lot more with nations that are closer to them? You think that's just an amazing coinicidence?

[Loiner]

 
No wonder so many British believed Boris the Liar with his 350 million pounds a week to the NHS instead of wasted in "Brussels"...

Another on who think we didn’t know why we vote Leave, but did so because of a bus sticker. You’d have to be very naive or not know anything about the British to believe that.
How many million pounds a week do you think we waste in “Brussels”?


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