Trump says he can produce a better healthcare plan than Obamacare

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, quandow said:

It will be done eventually. The current method of sucking the populace dry of their life's blood is not sustainable. We used to refer to it as "cutting a fat hog in the ass." They've become too greedy.

You messed up your editing.  I didn't post " No politician will ever remove Big Pharma, Big hospital groups, Big Insurance and Big Physician groups from the US Paradigm. "  I don't disagree with it, but I don't take credit for posting it.

[heybruce]

2 hours ago, ShortTimed said:

 

But Democrats have not proposed how to pay for it. A nasty habit that always concerns Republicans because they work hard for their money.

 

Too bad the Democrats did not suggest Medicare for All instead of spending all that time on writing the ACA.

 

But then Medicare for All would have removed the stranglehold that Fat Cat HC Industry has on Americans and the ACA assured their continued stranglehold would actually increase.

 

You certainly realize that Medicare places strict cost ceilings on pricing that hospitals, healthcare networks and physicians are required to follow?

 

Do you have any first hand experience with Medicare? Or with the participation in the US HC system? Thanks

Yeah, Trump worked hard for all that money he inherited.

 

I'm a numbers person.  Universal healthcare in first world countries, other than the US, delivers significantly better healthcare at significantly lower cost.  I want that for the US.

 

No, I have no personal experience with Medicare.  I get my healthcare from the VA.

[isaanjohnno]

If you want decent healthcare you have to pay for it- either by paying insurance or footing the bill yourself. The alternative where govt provides is just socialistic mooching which is where America is headed at supersonic speed. 

[ShortTimed]

Yeah, Trump worked hard for all that money he inherited.
 
I'm a numbers person.  Universal healthcare in first world countries, other than the US, delivers significantly better healthcare at significantly lower cost.  I want that for the US.
 
No, I have no personal experience with Medicare.  I get my healthcare from the VA.

Although Trump is a silver spoon baby, many Conservatives are hard working.

But now I understand better your position and tend to agree.

[bristolboy]

27 minutes ago, isaanjohnno said:

If you want decent healthcare you have to pay for it- either by paying insurance or footing the bill yourself. The alternative where govt provides is just socialistic mooching which is where America is headed at supersonic speed. 

Tell that to every o ther advanced economy in the world where health care is better and cheaper.

[ShortTimed]

Tell that to every o ther advanced economy in the world where health care is better and cheaper.

Yes but those are countries where politicians serve the interests of the population and not corporations.

[samran]

51 minutes ago, isaanjohnno said:

If you want decent healthcare you have to pay for it- either by paying insurance or footing the bill yourself. The alternative where govt provides is just socialistic mooching which is where America is headed at supersonic speed. 

Every other OECD country has better and cheaper health care than you.

[samran]

3 hours ago, ShortTimed said:

 

But Democrats have not proposed how to pay for it. A nasty habit that always concerns Republicans because they work hard for their money.

 

Too bad the Democrats did not suggest Medicare for All instead of spending all that time on writing the ACA.

 

But then Medicare for All would have removed the stranglehold that Fat Cat HC Industry has on Americans and the ACA assured their continued stranglehold would actually increase.

 

You certainly realize that Medicare places strict cost ceilings on pricing that hospitals, healthcare networks and physicians are required to follow?

 

Do you have any first hand experience with Medicare? Or with the participation in the US HC system? Thanks

Anything more progressive than the ACA wouldn’t have flown. As it stood, 36 blue dog congressmen and women voted against what eventually was passed.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/08/house-democrats-obamacare-only-4-of-34-who-voted-against-it-remain.html

[ShortTimed]

Anything more progressive than the ACA wouldn’t have flown. As it stood, 36 blue dog congressmen and women voted against what eventually was passed.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2014/08/house-democrats-obamacare-only-4-of-34-who-voted-against-it-remain.html

 

Good link.

 

Shows that lawmakers represented their constituents concerns.

[ricklev]

Is there no end to 40% of American voters'

moronic gullibility?  No offense intended.  ????

Edited March 29, 2019 by ricklev

[heybruce]

15 hours ago, isaanjohnno said:

If you want decent healthcare you have to pay for it- either by paying insurance or footing the bill yourself. The alternative where govt provides is just socialistic mooching which is where America is headed at supersonic speed. 

Yes, we certainly don't want socialistic mooching.  Granted the US spends about 17% of GDP on healthcare while western European countries spend about 10%.  http://www.oecd.org/health/health-systems/Health-Spending-Latest-Trends-Brief.pdf

 

Granted if the US could reduce it's healthcare costs to the European average it would save businesses and consumers about $1.3 trillion dollars a year, or about $4000 for every person in the US. 

 

Granted if the US government achieved these savings with government managed (socialist) healthcare similar to other wealthy nations every $2 of tax money used to pay for this would be offset by $3 in healthcare savings for the country.

 

However think about the consequences:

 

Businesses would be relieved of healthcare costs and would better be able to compete with businesses in the rest of the world that also don't have pay for healthcare for their employees.

 

Old US industries that used to dominate, such as steel and automakers, would be relieved of the legacy costs of providing healthcare to retired workers and could price their products more competitively.

 

Employers would have to compete for qualified workers using pay, not promises of healthcare.

 

Individuals and businesses would stop going bankrupt because of healthcare costs.

 

Individuals with families or pre-existing conditions wouldn't be tied to jobs they hate by the need to maintain company sponsored healthcare, they could move to other jobs or start their own businesses without the fear of losing coverage.

 

Truly a socialist nightmare!

 

[Jingthing]

Hmmmm... are your forgetting about liability insurance for autos?

It's irrelevant now because the "trump" republicans already killed the mandate. Old news!

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[Langsuan Man]

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Trump says he can produce a better healthcare plan than Obamacare

Trump promises a lot, like the Wall that Mexico will pay for and many other promises not kept, why are we to believe this is any different ?

 

As a candidate, Trump promised to raise taxes on the rich; as president, he promised tax changes that at a minimum wouldn’t benefit the rich.

Trump promised to break up America’s largest banks by reinstated old Glass-Steagall regulations that prevented financial conglomerates from operating in multiple lines of business.

Trump promised price controls on prescription drugs.

Trump promised to “take the oil” from Iraq to reduce the financial burden of US military policy.

Trump promised many times that he would release his tax returns and promised to put his wealth into a blind trust.

Trump vowed rollback of climate change regulations but said he was committed to upholding clean air and clean water goals.

Trump promised a $1 trillion infrastructure package

source: https://www.vox.com/2018/10/18/17990626/trump-promises-made-promises-broken