Advice for 49 yo son of US Serviceman....

[moontang]

I was out last night with the gf, and went down some back roads in Ayutthaya.  Very primitive out there.  I was talking to this guy with an American name, who is 49, and looks krung lung.  Nice guy, but not doing well financially or health wise.

 

He knows the last name of his father.  Did he miss his window for citizenship?  Could he have a child support claim against his father?  I have no specific steps for this guy to take or other advice to give him.  Should he put some shoes on and pay a visit to our embassy?

 

I usually have a good strategy for dealing with similar matters, but am clueless on this case.  If someone could point us in the right direction or give us their opinion of the feasibility of him benefitting from his situation, it would be appreciated.  A few thousand Bucks would be a game changer for him, let alone Medicaid or anything else.  Thanks!

Edited April 3, 2019 by moontang

[ballbreaker]

Child support obligations are based on state law. The general rule is that the parental support obligation terminates at majority.  In most states, the age of majority is 18, although some states may be different.  The state may also impose support obligations on the parents of adult children if the child is disabled or still in school.  If payment are in arrears when child turns 18 money is still owned in most states.

 

Child support obligations are usually court order imposed but in this case I suspect there is no such document.

 

 

[moontang]

3 minutes ago, ballbreaker said:

Child support obligations are based on state law. The general rule is that the parental support obligation terminates at majority.  In most states, the age of majority is 18, although some states may be different.  The state may also impose support obligations on the parents of adult children if the child is disabled or still in school.  If payment are in arrears when child turns 18 money is still owned in most states.

 

Child support obligations are usually court order imposed but in this case I suspect there is no such document.

 

 

Yes, might be way to late for that, however might be special rules for foreign soil, and lots of case precedence from similar circumstances.  Might be best to first look at possibilities for citizenship status.  Heck, his father might be glad to see him...

[khwaibah]

6 hours ago, moontang said:

Should he put some shoes on and pay a visit to our embassy?

 

Yes and an attorney with all his information.

[GinBoy2]

There are so many variables in this.

 

Is Dad still alive

Was Dad on the Birth Certificate

Was the birth ever registered with the US embassy

 

So I wouldn't put money on the fact that he could in some way claim back child support for the past 40 years.

 

At least in my mind the best he could hope for is just getting US citizenship, which won't help much in this particular case

[moontang]

4 hours ago, GinBoy2 said:

There are so many variables in this.

 

Is Dad still alive

Was Dad on the Birth Certificate

Was the birth ever registered with the US embassy

 

So I wouldn't put money on the fact that he could in some way claim back child support for the past 40 years.

 

At least in my mind the best he could hope for is just getting US citizenship, which won't help much in this particular case

Child support would be a Longshot, and it would have stopped at his majority anyway.  Yes, very complex, with a language and cultural barrier.  His dad is probably mid 70s.  Should probably start with the birth certificate...but he knows the last name ....and it is not common.

[Peterw42]

It may be worth pursuing at least making contact with the father or descendants, Even if there are no legal grounds, they may be interested in at least meeting son/step brother, and not unreasonable to actually helping the guy out. I know if I had a long lost step-brother or even a child, I would be interested in meeting.

I imagine the US army probably even have a department that helps with tracking down etc. (maybe even legally obligated to help if serviceman was stationed/official visit in-country)

Edited April 4, 2019 by Peterw42

[moontang]

32 minutes ago, Peterw42 said:

It may be worth pursuing at least making contact with the father or descendants, Even if there are no legal grounds, they may be interested in at least meeting son/step brother, and not unreasonable to actually helping the guy out. I know if I had a long lost step-brother or even a child, I would be interested in meeting.

I imagine the US army probably even have a department that helps with tracking down etc. (maybe even legally obligated to help if serviceman was stationed/official visit in-country)

exactly....same situation has happened thousands of times.  Would be great if pop could put him in his will or something...if pop has no other survivors, he would have a very significant claim in probate..........I am willing to do some ground work for the guy, and I will even be in DC in a few months.  I think we will start with birth certificate...if I can get a good spelling of his father's name, it might reasonably easy to proceed.  The army knows exactly who was in Ayuthaya, and when.

[Peterw42]

7 minutes ago, moontang said:

exactly....same situation has happened thousands of times.  Would be great if pop could put him in his will or something...if pop has no other survivors, he would have a very significant claim in probate..........I am willing to do some ground work for the guy, and I will even be in DC in a few months.  I think we will start with birth certificate...if I can get a good spelling of his father's name, it might reasonably easy to proceed.  The army knows exactly who was in Ayuthaya, and when.

A quick Google search brings up websites and groups dedicated to finding ex military.

 

https://m.wikihow.com/Find-a-Military-Veteran

 

https://uk.usembassy.gov/embassy-consulates/government-agencies/dao/tracemil/

Edited April 4, 2019 by Peterw42

[moontang]

www.fatherfounded.org    specializes in Amerasians.  

 

 

[Date Masamune]

There is no window for US citizenship he either has it or he doesn’t. If his father was a US citizen he is a natural born citizen of the United States already it is something inherent to his nature not something given or taken away by a buereaucrat. Documentation may be a problem.

[moontang]

2 minutes ago, Date Masamune said:

There is no window for US citizenship he either has it or he doesn’t. If his father was a US citizen he is a natural born citizen of the United States already it is something inherent to his nature not something given or taken away by a buereaucrat. Documentation may be a problem.

isn't that the "naturalization" process?  I think his birth certificate will be the best place to start.

[Date Masamune]

There is a difference between a naturalized US citizen (Arnold Swarzenegger)and a natural born US citizen ( Barrack Obama).


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[moontang]

my point was, there is a process for people to go through when their baby is born overseas...or an american impregnates a thai girl...SO I guess the question is what are the options for a us citizen, who has never been to the US, is 49, doesn't speak english, doesn't have a SSN, or passport.

[Date Masamune]

Find the irresponsible sperm donor or his family (a father like a dogg in the street is a father) and get a US court to order a DNA test.

 

[moontang]

1 hour ago, Date Masamune said:

Find the irresponsible sperm donor or his family (a father like a dogg in the street is a father) and get a US court to order a DNA test.

 

I don't think it is disputed.  And it's not like they got money to hire lawyers in the US.  

[Date Masamune]

If it is not disputed maybe he can get an affidavit from the father or his family. Maybe he can get a passport from the US embassy, what is that worth without money to travel? SWA unless he can get SS benefits somehow.

 

[Framptn1972]

There is an option.  ????

 

Me and my local monk in US are helping a man he connected with in Bangkok in Feb.  I sent two DNA kits, Ancestry and 23 and me.  I tried to get at least one on sale.  The monk brought the kits back on his return trip and I have sent both in for tests.  It took two weeks to process, but normally takes 4-6 weeks.  You can download the RAW data DNA file and also upload it to a few other sites and get DNA matches free there.  Some people or relatives have tested on one and not the other.  So spreading out the possibilities of finding someone related to him/her and connecting or researching from there.  At moment this is my first attempt helping someone since Im having to find and learn a new family unknown to me.  But Im finding good info.

 

I have been looking thru the matches for the 2nd week.  On one kit he has a match with one 1st cousin and two with 2-3rd cousin and many distant cousins.  The third match contains the last name of the father, as given to me, Jackson.  Using their info, screen name, FB, Google Im finding a little more about the Jackson name being accurate.  I had reached out to the first high match and even found phone number thru her online resume.  She wasnt sure what I was talking about.  Some people only do DNA test for background and not set up or know their family history.  But it is a very good start considering his mother was from Thailand and father the US.

 

According to Thong, his father served in Nakorn Ratchasima 1971-1972.  He only knows father as "Col or Commander Jackson 1st Airborn Division, Nakorn Ratchasima".   He said he was from New York and possibly had an aunt who "owned large towel factory" there.  The father brought his younger sister back to the US.  He has not heard nor seen them since they left in the 70's.  Ive gotten him one step closer. :-)

 

Prior to the monk going to BKK me and him had talked about me doing his DNA and seeing who else in the world he was related too.  He went on his trip a week later and messaged me the situation with the friend.  Coincidence?  Karma? DNA has found a new relative for my father.  It works, just have to do a little research or matchmaking.

 

And someone will say "how much does it cost? Its too expensive"

The companies always have Sales at various times and price fluctuates.  But here's an idea.

Ancestry typically sells for $99, then has been offered for $79, $69 and presently $59.  plus shipping in US

23 and me typically sells for $99, shipping in US.  Sometimes kit can be bought and processed for $90

Other companies offer similar prices but you can download the Ancestry and 23me data and upload to them, I have.

 

I had recently mailed 5 kits to Thailand and shipping from US was $35, but I have sent some via monk and friend when they traveled there and back.  Thru USPS I had to fill out Customs form and my in law in BKK had to pay Duty.  So if anything I may send thru friend.

 

For someone in Thailand with no internet, computer or knowledge of US family trees, family names there are sometimes people who volunteer called Search Angels...  The monk and I were talking about testing several of the Thai and Lao families at local Temple and add to the DNA database.  The man Im helping from Thailand has some Asian family in the US and one lives 60 miles south from me.

 

Any questions ask.  I tried to be brief, lol  

 

Andy Wilson

Tennessee USA

pud Thai nit noi 

 

 

Here is a link to a website that specializes in Amer-Thai children.

https://seavet.wixsite.com/amer-thai/korat?fbclid=IwAR0Vbavmx6jV-_ZCs7zb5bOF0GwjPb9BWcFqV1jZhXKA-ZYBrJckX961qSE

[marcusarelus]

I was adopted and my daughter found relatives using 23 and me.  I knew who they were but never mentioned it to her and she located them independently and was quite surprised.  I'm the oldest male in the family and my brothers weren't real excited to find me.   ????

[Framptn1972]

But you have completed more than some will ever know.  Sometimes it opens doors and sometimes it closes them.  Testing is an option for these Amer Thai children.