3 minutes ago, evadgib said:

There's a lot of that going on in these threads, particularly (IMO) from remainers. All they achieve is to stifle debate & drive reasonable posters away. I accept that there are some plonkers on the other side too & I dare say some might place me among them if they're unable to differentiate between a serious post & banter/humour.

YMMV. All I see is this childish nonsense coming from Brexiteers. I tried to post a reasoned argument. Not one Brexiteer has challenged my post with reasoned argument. Just thrown back innane and irrelevant remarks. Q.E.D.

1 minute ago, transam said:

Are you waffling...?  

No I put forward facts to support my argument. I leave the inane waffling to Brexiteers.

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

So the reasons I gave for Campbell calling a referendum wasn't a fact?

 

The showings of the various parties at the recent local elections and the swings for and against them weren't facts? 

 

The support, for or against Brexit, that those parties have shown, weren't facts?

 

You really need to up your game, if you have one.

Was there a referendum on soup?

 

We've all seen the LG results but your interpretation of the reasons for them are only your opinion.

 

 

Just now, nauseus said:

Was there a referendum on soup?

 

We've all seen the LG results but your interpretation of the reasons for them are only your opinion.

 

 

More inane replies. You sir, are a true Brexiteer!

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

More inane replies. You sir, are a true Brexiteer!

At last you have finally understood something...Well done.????

1 minute ago, Spidey said:

More inane replies. You sir, are a true Brexiteer!

2/3 - not bad - flattery will get you everywhere. 

1 minute ago, transam said:

At last you have finally understood something...Well done.????

Yes, I have understood that Brexiteers have no game and only capable of inane comments. Oh for a Brexiteer who could make a sensible and reasoned reply to my interpretation of the facts as I see them. 

 

I live in hope.....but won't be holding my breath.

8 minutes ago, Spidey said:

YMMV. All I see is this childish nonsense coming from Brexiteers. I tried to post a reasoned argument. Not one Brexiteer has challenged my post with reasoned argument. Just thrown back innane and irrelevant remarks. Q.E.D.

I might just join the club cos to me that's 2005 without the Y ????

1 minute ago, evadgib said:

I might just join the club cos to me that's 2005 without the Y ????

Very sorry, I had forgotten that the majority of Brexiteers are old buffers who haven't got to grips with the 21st century.

 

YMMV = "Your Mileage May Vary" i.e. your experience may be different.

2 minutes ago, Spidey said:

Very sorry, I had forgotten that the majority of Brexiteers are old buffers who haven't got to grips with the 21st century.

 

YMMV = "Your Mileage May Vary" i.e. your experience may be different.

Think we have "Gotcha"........You really should hold your nerve and refrain from the "Old guy thingy"...

1 minute ago, transam said:

Think we have "Gotcha"........You really should hold your nerve and refrain from the "Old guy thingy"...

Is that the best you can do? Laughable.

Very sorry, I had forgotten that the majority of Brexiteers are old buffers who haven't got to grips with the 21st century.
 
YMMV = "Your Mileage May Vary" i.e. your experience may be different.

Ah..seems that a certain bottlers a bit nippy today..is it the UK weather perhaps???
Anyway..local council elections are exactly that.
The bigger picture comes near the end of the month..when people vote for toothless tigers..who's ONLY job worth talking bout is rubber stamping with the occasional tweak..the junk that comes from on high.
Aka..b/s from the eu commission
Have a lovely day and perhaps enjoy a waffle.

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19 minutes ago, malagateddy said:

Ah..seems that a certain bottlers a bit nippy today..is it the UK weather perhaps???
Anyway..local council elections are exactly that.
The bigger picture comes near the end of the month..when people vote for toothless tigers..who's ONLY job worth talking bout is rubber stamping with the occasional tweak..the junk that comes from on high.
Aka..b/s from the eu commission
Have a lovely day and perhaps enjoy a waffle.

If local elections are only that, how come Cameron reacted by calling a referendum as a result of local council results?

 

Elections for MEPs have never formed part of "the big picture". The British public have always shown a high degree of apathy towards them, with them consistently recording historically low turnouts. Usually used by extremists to get their voice heard. This is born out by the fact that UKIP have won several seats in the Euro elections but not one genuine seat in parliament.

 

BTW. I live permanently in Thailand, not the UK, although I did a short visit a couple of weeks ago. However, I don't live in a shed in Nakon Nowhere.

 

 

Edited May 4, 20197 yr by Spidey

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

I'm not arguing a point. Just giving my verdict on your opinion. 

So why don't you agree with his opinion?

Just for you....

 

 

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

Is that the best you can do? Laughable.

In your case it probably is......????

1 hour ago, Spidey said:

If local elections are only that, how come Cameron reacted by calling a referendum as a result of local council results?

 

Elections for MEPs have never formed part of "the big picture". The British public have always shown a high degree of apathy towards them, with them consistently recording historically low turnouts. Usually used by extremists to get their voice heard. This is born out by the fact that UKIP have won several seats in the Euro elections but not one genuine seat in parliament.

 

BTW. I live permanently in Thailand, not the UK, although I did a short visit a couple of weeks ago. However, I don't live in a shed in Nakon Nowhere.

 

 

 

 When people realised that they had been conned and lied to during the 1970’s EEC referendum, they then started to educate themselves with the help of social media. ( Fool me once,shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me)Over the next 30 odd years this clambering for a vote became so loud, that Cameron understandably relented and allowed the British people to partake in the largest Democratic vote in the countries history.

 

 

BTW. Until early 2018 I lived in Thailand for 20yrs, and I can assure you,not in a shed. Now I live in a region of the U.K that has been heavily effected by the influx of cheap Eastern European labour. And I can assure you, no matter how Brexit pans out, the British people will never accept the E.u.

A trading block yes, but not for what it now stands for, and certainly not the direction the unelected Bureaucrats intend to frog March us into.

 

 

3 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 When people realised that they had been conned and lied to during the 1970’s EEC referendum, they then started to educate themselves with the help of social media. ( Fool me once,shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me)Over the next 30 odd years this clambering for a vote became so loud, that Cameron understandably relented and allowed the British people to partake in the largest Democratic vote in the countries history.

 

 

BTW. Until early 2018 I lived in Thailand for 20yrs, and I can assure you,not in a shed. Now I live in a region of the U.K that has been heavily effected by the influx of cheap Eastern European labour. And I can assure you, no matter how Brexit pans out, the British people will never accept the E.u.

A trading block yes, but not for what it now stands for, and certainly not the direction the unelected Bureaucrats intend to frog March us into.

 

 

The volume switch on the "clambering for a vote" wasn't loud at all until Farage came on the scene. It was he alone that turned the volume up. Cameron reacted to a poor showing in the local elections which suggested that the Tories would take a caning from UKIP in the following GE. Do you really think that an Old Etonian and Bullingdon club member gives a jot about your voice?

 

My reference to my place of residence was a reply to Malagateddy, not you.

If local elections are only that, how come Cameron reacted by calling a referendum as a result of local council results?
 
Elections for MEPs have never formed part of "the big picture". The British public have always shown a high degree of apathy towards them, with them consistently recording historically low turnouts. Usually used by extremists to get their voice heard. This is born out by the fact that UKIP have won several seats in the Euro elections but not one genuine seat in parliament.
 
BTW. I live permanently in Thailand, not the UK, although I did a short visit a couple of weeks ago. However, I don't live in a shed in Nakon Nowhere.
 
 

Spideee..good for you living in Thailand same as most of the Brexiteers.
Most Brexiteers that I know personally live in nice bungalows..have a nice lifestyle etc etc.
It will be fun to watch the fanatics in hq brussels as hopefully many many new rubber stamping mep's are elected..
Wonder what the Drunkard..oops Junkard and the putty faced waffle eating belguim guy will do when all the new POPULIST mep's DO NOT dance to their tune???
I think the writing is on the wall re the united states of europe dream of the ultra federalists.

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18 minutes ago, nontabury said:

 

 When people realised that they had been conned and lied to during the 1970’s EEC referendum, they then started to educate themselves with the help of social media. ( Fool me once,shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me)Over the next 30 odd years this clambering for a vote became so loud, that Cameron understandably relented and allowed the British people to partake in the largest Democratic vote in the countries history.

 

 

BTW. Until early 2018 I lived in Thailand for 20yrs, and I can assure you,not in a shed. Now I live in a region of the U.K that has been heavily effected by the influx of cheap Eastern European labour. And I can assure you, no matter how Brexit pans out, the British people will never accept the E.u.

A trading block yes, but not for what it now stands for, and certainly not the direction the unelected Bureaucrats intend to frog March us into.

 

 

It always makes me laugh when someone speaks for 'the people of the UK', when the referendum was very close to 50-50, and all signals are that at the moment the feelings are in the other direction from the speaker.

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

So why don't you agree with his opinion?

Because it's wrong.

 

. If you want to keep your seats at the next election, back the remain campaign. The people have spoken.
 

How could you waste all that typing and still come up with the wrong answer?
It’s total ball licks. Spin that Alastair Campbell would be proud of.

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

How could you waste all that typing and still come up with the wrong answer?
It’s total ball licks. Spin that Alastair Campbell would be proud of.

So explain why it's the wrong answer. Or is that too difficult for you?

3 minutes ago, Spidey said:

So explain why it's the wrong answer. Or is that too difficult for you?

The people spoke because the Gov who are suppose to deliver haven't.......Or are you going to twist that fact...

16 minutes ago, transam said:

The people spoke because the Gov who are suppose to deliver haven't.......Or are you going to twist that fact...

So they switched to parties that back remain. Mmmm I see....

Just now, Spidey said:

So they switched to parties that back remain. Mmmm I see....

That'll be the day. ???? 

5 minutes ago, nauseus said:

That'll be the day. ???? 

That was the day. The day of the recent local elections.

6 hours ago, Spidey said:

In the current local elections, voters have sent a very clear message, the Conservative party were by far the biggest losers and they have been the party doggedly pushing Brexit, no matter what the consequences. Labour suffered much smaller losses but they haven't been at the vanguard of either the leave or remain campaign, but on balance, particularly with Corbyn, quietly supporting Brexit. UKIP also lost ground and the facts there don't need stating.

 

The big winners have been LIb Dems and the Greens who have both unflinchingly supported remain throughout. The message was crystal clear to MPs. If you want to keep your seats at the next election, back the remain campaign. The people have spoken.

To me this is a huge misinterpretation of the local election results. Those who want the UK to remain in the EU had two parties to vote for with a clear remain mandate, i.e. the Lib Dems and the Green Party. And remainers were highly motivated to go out and vote for them, to send a message. 

Brexiteers on the other hand have seen MPs frustrate the process of leaving the EU, and have become disillusioned with politicians, politics and voting in general. The only participating party with a genuine leave mandate was UKIP, and UKIP have become redundant since the Brexit Party was launched (and since they lurched to the right). Leave voters were severely demotivated for these elections. 

 

So it's obvious to me that the vast majority of Leave supporters stayed at home. Some Leave voters spoilt their ballot papers. In fact the spoiling has been widely reported in the news coverage with pictures of Brexit scrawled across ballot papers. 

 

If you think these elections were a sign that "the people have spoken", that's just wishful thinking. It was like a game of football with only one side showing up! 

So they switched to parties that back remain. Mmmm I see....

You probably haven’t noticed, but the two main parties trying to trick us in Remaining are CON & LAB. The people have voted against both of them.

On 5/4/2019 at 6:31 PM, Loiner said:

You probably haven’t noticed, but the two main parties trying to trick us in Remaining are CON & LAB. The people have voted against both of them.

You probably haven't noticed the implied "transparently" between the words "that" and "back" in the comment.