1 minute ago, Tug said:

I own property in sandiego I know a lot of Latinos from all over South America went to school in Mexico as a kid I’ve worked with people of Mexican hearitage I’ve always found them to be hard working family oriented kinda religious on the norm salt of the earth types just the kind of people I want on my team that being said I’m not for open borders we need leadership that can work together to fix it

 

So you wouldn't be opposed to several hundred thousand coming to stay in SD in the next few months? FYI these aren't Mexicans.

10 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, they are cheating the USA out of negative dollars.

It's amazing how you continue to be in favor of illegal immigration. But I'm sure you feel this makes you a better person. 

38 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Yes, the situation in California is dire:

California Must Be Doing Something Right in Trump’s America

Just about every policy Donald Trump imposes to make his America great is opposed by the world's fifth-largest economy. That would be California, which is growing faster and outperforming the U.S. in job growth, manufacturing, personal income, corporate profits and the total return of its bonds. The most populous U.S. state, with 39.5 million people, supplanted the U.K. as No. 5 in the world with an equivalent gross domestic product of more than $2.7 trillion, increasing $127 billion last year, according to data compiled by Bloomberg.

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2018-05-29/trump-vs-california-state-s-economy-vastly-outpaces-u-s

 

All well and good but CalPers is currently at about 72.5% funding for it's pension scheme. If there's ever a problem in California, that's where it will start.

6 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

So you wouldn't be opposed to several hundred thousand coming to stay in SD in the next few months? FYI these aren't Mexicans.

No what I said they are not all evil rapist as Donald would have you believe I’m calling for leadership to fix the problem leadership and dictating aren’t the same thing

Just a thought.  What if there is no immigration crisis?  What if the other side you demonize as in favor of open borders is actually in favor of strong borders and rational use of government resources to support those strong borders?  

 

What if this is a manufactured issue designed to get your political support and distract you while taxation policies that actually hurt you and your family are put in place by the people you voted for and their corporate masters?  

 

Just give it a thought....... Just a thought........

1 minute ago, Tug said:

No what I said they are not all evil rapist as Donald would have you believe I’m calling for leadership to fix the problem leadership and dictating aren’t the same thing

Are you referring to the chuck and Nancy "leadership"? 

 

They have not proposed one sane immigration reform bill. 

 

They want it for political purposes. They are not interested in fixing the problem. Unless of course it means giving every illegal alien citizenship.

12 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

By the virtue of being an "undocumented immigrant" lol Illegals don't pay tax that is one reason why they are so "competitive"

 

Just being an immigrant does not give an employer the right to stop withholding payroll taxes.  I don't doubt that there are some immigrants who get paid in cash and don't pay taxes on it.  But you are sadly mistaken if you think your broad-brush accusation applies to all, or even most immigrants.

 

Undocumented immigrants pay billions in taxes

 

"The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesn’t even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common."

 

Undocumented immigrants pay sales taxes too, unless you think retailers somehow can get out of paying taxes on goods and services sold to undocumented immigrants.

 

And if you really think that some employers are paying under the table or not withholding taxes, then it sounds like your problem is with the employers, not with the employees.

 

And finally, Americans do it too: Trillions [of dollars] Earned Under Table As More Work [Americans] Off Radar

 

So don't try to pretend that this is an income tax issue, because if that's what you're pretending to be upset about, you've got a whole lot of American citizens to deal with.  You're upset about tax evasion... really.

 

Also, Paul Manafort.

15 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

It's amazing how you continue to be in favor of illegal immigration. But I'm sure you feel this makes you a better person. 

It's amazing you seem unable to disinguish between reality and fantasy. Illegal immigration into Mexico is not a felony,  That's what you get for relyig on dishonest sources. It is now what is called an administrative infraction. Actually illegal immigrants in Mexico enjoy a status far better than that of those living in the USA. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Mexico

Edited April 13, 20197 yr by bristolboy

1 minute ago, attrayant said:

 

Just being an immigrant does not give an employer the right to stop withholding payroll taxes.  I don't doubt that there are some immigrants who get paid in cash and don't pay taxes on it.  But you are sadly mistaken if you think your broad-brush accusation applies to all, or even most immigrants.

 

Undocumented immigrants pay billions in taxes

 

"The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesn’t even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common."

 

Undocumented immigrants pay sales taxes too, unless you think retailers somehow can get out of paying taxes on goods and services sold to undocumented immigrants.

 

And if you really think that some employers are paying under the table or not withholding taxes, then it sounds like your problem is with the employers, not with the employees.

 

And finally, Americans do it too: Trillions [of dollars] Earned Under Table As More Work [Americans] Off Radar

 

So don't try to pretend that this is an income tax issue, because if that's what you're pretending to be upset about, you've got a whole lot of American citizens to deal with.  You're upset about tax evasion... really.

 

Also, Paul Manafort.

 

In the real world there is little doubt illegals are paid in cash. What planet do you live on?

Just now, Cryingdick said:

 

In the real world there is little doubt illegals are paid in cash.

 

As evidenced by what?  Your deeply held beliefs?  Now you're turning this into a religion.

1 minute ago, attrayant said:

 

As evidenced by what?  Your deeply held beliefs?  Now you're turning this into a religion.

 

I pay illegals in cash. Better for them and better for me. They are not as skilled as they used to be unfortunately.

7 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Just being an immigrant does not give an employer the right to stop withholding payroll taxes.  I don't doubt that there are some immigrants who get paid in cash and don't pay taxes on it.  But you are sadly mistaken if you think your broad-brush accusation applies to all, or even most immigrants.

 

Undocumented immigrants pay billions in taxes

 

"The most recent IRS data, from 2015, shows that the agency received 4.4 million income tax returns from workers who don’t have Social Security numbers, which includes a large number of undocumented immigrants. That year, they paid $23.6 billion in income taxes. That doesn’t even include workers who paid taxes with fake Social Security numbers on their W-2 forms, which is also common."

 

Undocumented immigrants pay sales taxes too, unless you think retailers somehow can get out of paying taxes on goods and services sold to undocumented immigrants.

 

And if you really think that some employers are paying under the table or not withholding taxes, then it sounds like your problem is with the employers, not with the employees.

 

And finally, Americans do it too: Trillions [of dollars] Earned Under Table As More Work [Americans] Off Radar

 

So don't try to pretend that this is an income tax issue, because if that's what you're pretending to be upset about, you've got a whole lot of American citizens to deal with.  You're upset about tax evasion... really.

 

Also, Paul Manafort.

Shamelessly conflates immigrants with illegal aliens. 

 

1 minute ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I pay illegals in cash. Better for them and better for me. They are not as skilled as they used to be unfortunately.

Indeed, many complaining about undocumented immigrants are themselves beneficiaries of the immigrant economy.

 

There is also the uncomfortable fact that once paid, immigrants buy goods and services (taxes paid and economic activity/jobs created).

13 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

I pay illegals in cash. Better for them and better for me. They are not as skilled as they used to be unfortunately.

 

I can't even believe that anybody would even say anything otherwise. 

37 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

You would think that liberal orgs would donate money to help these people become a part of their communities. Because lets face it they are going to become unwelcome in many places really quickly.

Places with the fewest immigrants push back hardest against immigration

https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/22/politics/immigration-trump-arizona/index.html

I just wanted to memorialize this moment.  You admit to being the crux of the problem by illegally paying workers in cash, thereby dodging your duty to collect taxes, and elmrfudd loves that.

 

4 minutes ago, Cryingdick said:

 

I can't even believe that anybody would even say anything otherwise. 

 

Are we seeing a sea-change in this discussion?  So many of you who were outraged about immigrants not paying taxes are happy to support an employer who facilitates this "problem".

3 minutes ago, attrayant said:

I just wanted to memorialize this moment.  You admit to being the crux of the problem by illegally paying workers in cash, thereby dodging your duty to collect taxes, and elmrfudd loves that.

 

Well, to be fair to Elmer Fudd, when I pointed out that a meme he had posted was utterly false, he graciously acknowledged the error and thanked me for the correction...oh wait a minute...

33 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's amazing you seem unable to disinguish between reality and fantasy. Illegal immigration into Mexico is not a felony,  That's what you get for relyig on dishonest sources. It is now what is called an administrative infraction. Actually illegal immigrants in Mexico enjoy a status far better than that of those living in the USA. 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal_immigration_to_Mexico

so, deflection noted.

 

are you in favor of illegal immigration??

 

Wait, how can this be a "threat" if illegals are so wonderful? Are these Leftist Mayors suggesting there may be something undesirable about illegals? I thought only racists think like that? 

Edited April 13, 20197 yr by usviphotography

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Well, to be fair to Elmer Fudd, when I pointed out that a meme he had posted was utterly false, he graciously acknowledged the error and thanked me for the correction...oh wait a minute...

hmmmm., still deflecting.

 

are you in favor of illegal immigration?

39 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

Are you referring to the chuck and Nancy "leadership"? 

 

They have not proposed one sane immigration reform bill. 

 

They want it for political purposes. They are not interested in fixing the problem. Unless of course it means giving every illegal alien citizenship.

Elmer last year about Easter when Donald had the majority in both houses the dems and rep were all set to deal with this issue they even had wall money in it but your boy was sooo anxious to attack the Daka kids he nixed the deal now you can see the result 

7 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

so, deflection noted.

 

are you in favor of illegal immigration??

And you still won't acknowledge that you cited something that is a lie.

I don't think illegal immigration constitutes a threat. There is enough discouragement in place already. The US economy can easily absorb those who manage to make it past the various barriers.

6 minutes ago, usviphotography said:

 

Wait, how can this be a "threat" if illegals are so wonderful? Are these Leftist Mayors suggesting there may be something undesirable about illegals? I thought only racists think like that? 

If you transported 100,000 yuppies to San Francisco in one fell swoop, that would also be unwelcome. No city can absorb such a large and sudden influx of newcomers.

25 minutes ago, attrayant said:

I just wanted to memorialize this moment.  You admit to being the crux of the problem by illegally paying workers in cash, thereby dodging your duty to collect taxes, and elmrfudd loves that.

 

What makes it even better is that Fudd was just denouncing illegals for committng ID fraud, and then goes ahead and applauds someone for committing a federal felony.

Federal Immigration and Nationality Act
Section 8 USC 1324(a)(1)(A)(iv)(b)(iii)

 

A person (including a group of persons, business, organization, or local government) commits a federal felony when she or he:

* assists an alien s/he should reasonably know is illegally in the U.S. or who lacks employment authorization, by transporting, sheltering, or assisting him or her to obtain employment, or

* encourages that alien to remain in the U.S. by referring him or her to an employer or by acting as employer or agent for an employer in any way, or

* knowingly assists illegal aliens due to personal convictions.

http://www.flimen.org/Section274felonies.htm

30 minutes ago, attrayant said:

I just wanted to memorialize this moment.  You admit to being the crux of the problem by illegally paying workers in cash, thereby dodging your duty to collect taxes, and elmrfudd loves that.

 

Actually, when you come to think of it, Fudd is just being a typical Republican: punish workers, not employers.

2 minutes ago, Tug said:

Elmer last year about Easter when Donald had the majority in both houses the dems and rep were all set to deal with this issue they even had wall money in it but your boy was sooo anxious to attack the Daka kids he nixed the deal now you can see the result 

my boy? what a triggered emotional response that is, amazing.

 

White House officials asked Democrats to approve $25 billion for President Donald Trump’s border wall in exchange for extending the Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals program through fall of 2020, those sources said. That would give Trump his full wall funding request in the must-pass spending bill and still give him leverage over the DACA program heading into his 2020 reelection campaign.

But Democrats balked, demanding that the White House provide a pathway to citizenship to 1.8 million young immigrants eligible under the DACA program, those sources said. The White House might have been open to negotiating further, but Democrats were only willing to entertain the massive wall funding figure in exchange for helping the same number of immigrants that Trump embraced in a proposal earlier this year.

https://www.politico.com/story/2018/03/19/border-wall-democrats-respond-470687

 

just as in the past, when democrats promised to secure the border when reagan granted amnesty, it was never done. 

live and learn...or not.

 

12 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

And you still won't acknowledge that you cited something that is a lie.

I don't think illegal immigration constitutes a threat. There is enough discouragement in place already. The US economy can easily absorb those who manage to make it past the various barriers.

thanks for making the vacuous assumption illegal immigration is no problem.

4 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually, when you come to think of it, Fudd is just being a typical Republican: punish workers, not employers.

glad to know you have the ability to know all those people you don't know.

 

pseudo intellectual blather

 

 

Just now, elmrfudd said:

thanks for making the vacuous assumption illegal immigration is no problem.

In the 1990s illegal immigraton was at a far higher level than it is now. I can[t recall any of the myriad catastrophes that must have beset the USA during that epoch.

And thank you for endorsing criminal behavior when it's committed by American citizens.