Mueller finds no conspiracy, but extensive Trump-Russia contacts

[elmrfudd]

49 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

 

Nothing is free. But that doesn't mean that a wealthy country can't prioritize certain services for it's citizens. I favor policies whereby the government puts people on an equal footing. Provide an education up through Community College or Trade School. Provide health care that doesn't depend on whether or not you were born to affluent parents. It's the least we can do for our people.

that would require a congress that is willing to address wasteful spending and addressing waste fraud and abuse in the SS and medicare sectors, as well as getting actual responsible accounting from the pentagon and DOD.

 

Changing the insurance rules and making hospitals and doctors post costs for everything publicly, changing the drug patent laws to allow lower alternative mfg are far more efficient at lowering healthcare costs. changing the tax loopholes for large corporations will help some, but how much revenue do you actually think that will generate? are there any numbers? All they will do is move the entire corp to the best available tax friendly country.

 

let's face it, just our current SS/Medicare liabilities are unfunded for the future. adding a massive govt provided healthcare debacle will only make it impossible to fund without sweeping tax increases: a VAT/GST, a ridiculous euro style massive fuel tax AND increased income taxes for the middle class as well.

 

unfortunately the lobbyists do not want any of the status quo things to change.

 

Govt healthcare for all 350 million people will destroy the quality of the healthcare available, as well as the quality of the doctors. just as it is happening in the UK. where the govt decides what they will cover and what is not. get ready to wait 3 to 6 months for that surgery you need. 

[KKr]

4 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

LOL.

Trump was a terrible candidate, and everyone knew it. It's just that more people rejected HRC than Trump and he won.

I'd be extremely surprised if he hadn't done some "questionable" things in his life, as have we all.

It's irrelevant to point out the difference between no collusion and no evidence of collusion if nothing is going to eventuate because of it. He survives- the end.

but once he is not a President any longer, he can be prosecuted.
For the moment, Mueller does not have the power to take action, Congress has.

[impulse]

1 hour ago, elmrfudd said:

so, "potential" crimes are now under investigation or are they being evaluated as to whether or not they further warrant investigation?

that would be a better description of the situation, wouldn't you agree?

 

 

Sure, except for those 12 or 14 confidential investigations Mueller handed off.

 

That's exactly what I said.  If you want to characterize them as potential crimes, that's on you...

[elmrfudd]

10 minutes ago, KKr said:

I found this article enlightening, and moreover there are some insightful comments on the attempts of Barr to misinform and to massage the brains of the citizens in favor of the Donald before release of the report :

https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/neal-katyal-on-whether-the-mueller-report-went-far-enough?utm_campaign=aud-dev&utm_source=nl&utm_brand=tny&utm_mailing=TNY_Daily_042119&utm_medium=email&bxid=5c8893b467808905a06cf06b&user_id=56683739&esrc=&utm_content=B&utm_term=TNY_Daily

so an opinion piece by a liberal "journalist".......blather

 

as usual zero mention of the false dossier that started this whole fiasco, or the people behind it

that were pushing it through the DOJ to achieve this phony narrative

[elmrfudd]

26 minutes ago, Tug said:

Not I,I lost 8900$ this year I’m just an old commercial diver boat captain kinda a water grunt but it is what it is his tax scam did not benefit the working class 

did your income increase from the year you are claiming it increased or is it the loss of SALT deductions?

I asked this before with no response

[lannarebirth]

3 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

that would require a congress that is willing to address wasteful spending and addressing waste fraud and abuse in the SS and medicare sectors, as well as getting actual responsible accounting from the pentagon and DOD.

 

Changing the insurance rules and making hospitals and doctors post costs for everything publicly, changing the drug patent laws to allow lower alternative mfg are far more efficient at lowering healthcare costs. changing the tax loopholes for large corporations will help some, but how much revenue do you actually think that will generate? are there any numbers? All they will do is move the entire corp to the best available tax friendly country.

 

 

Right to all of the above. Of course they could also pass a law that says if you want access to our consumers you must be domiciled in this country. The other thing is, I think you're seeing the "Medicare For All" as an expansion of Medicare, which I don't support. Tear it down and start over. Put insurance companies out of business and whatever other corporations that stand in the way of the people's interest. Probably gonna mean some campaign finance reform, which is long over due.

 

 

[elmrfudd]

57 minutes ago, lannarebirth said:

1 hour ago, elmrfudd said:

well, sorry but stating things like he is a piece of shit who intentionally sets out to hurt people is in NO WAY objective or factual. it is however an opinion you have the right to express.

 

unfortunately, this type of rhetoric will only boost the chance of another 4 year term, given the hard left turn and vacuous "free stuff" campaigns being touted

 

You may think differently when he grabs your pussy.

weak deflection of your claimed objective "facts" comments

[bristolboy]

7 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

so an opinion piece by a liberal "journalist".......blather

 

as usual zero mention of the false dossier that started this whole fiasco, or the people behind it

that were pushing it through the DOJ to achieve this phony narrative

As usual no mention of Papadapoulos.

[Kieran00001]

On 4/19/2019 at 8:36 AM, EVENKEEL said:

No Conspiracy, How much more do you need to drop this crap and get back to work. From now on the harder the dems try to find dirt on Trump the easier his campaign will be. Trump 2020 is looking better all the time.

 

How many criminals from Trumps team are currently sitting in jail because of this "crap"?

[EVENKEEL]

7 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

How many criminals from Trumps team are currently sitting in jail because of this "crap"?

Doesn't matter, 2 yrs of trying to make Trump the Boogie Man didn't work. Stop the nonsense and get back into the business of running the country.

[elmrfudd]

2 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Sure, except for those 12 or 14 confidential investigations Mueller handed off.

 

That's exactly what I said.  If you want to characterize them as potential crimes, that's on you...

again, these are not confirmed investigations.

 

if want to characterize them as they are, that is on you

[Kieran00001]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Doesn't matter, 2 yrs of trying to make Trump the Boogie Man didn't work. Stop the nonsense and get back into the business of running the country.

 

It certainly does matter that there are convicted fellons in jail due to the investigation when trying to make claim that the investigation is "crap", if it truly were crap they would not have exposed Trumps criminal team and incarcerated them, would they?  And the FBI investigation is not holding up the running of the country, that would be the incompetent president and his incompetent friends and family.

[elmrfudd]

2 minutes ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

It certainly does matter that there are convicted fellons in jail due to the investigation when trying to make claim that the investigation is "crap", if it truly were crap they would not have exposed Trumps criminal team and incarcerated them, would they?  And the FBI investigation is not holding up the running of the country, that would be the incompetent president and his incompetent friends and family.

how many felons were convicted for the reason this whole phony investigation of russian "collusion"??

[metisdead]

An inflammatory post has been removed. 

[Kieran00001]

5 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

how many felons were convicted for the reason this whole phony investigation of russian "collusion"??

 

Who cares?  What matters is that these criminals were caught and brought to justice, the investigation was clearly a success, and it is not over yet by the way.

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

again, these are not confirmed investigations.

 

if want to characterize them as they are, that is on you

Hogwash,

 

refer sections D4 and D5 of the Mueller report. 

[elmrfudd]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Says man who argues against Congress holding the President accountable.

where did I say that?

is holding the man you hate accountable include starting an investigation on a bogus dossier?

 

just because you want to continue a 3 year investigation so you can try and get your desired results?

 

astounding.

[roobaa01]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Says man who argues against Congress holding the President accountable.

the only thing the dem caracas caucus has managed 1. waste tax payer money 2. pass meaningless resolutions 3. its dem members spreading fake news for example adam schiff saw substantial evidence of trump russian collusion 4. dem muslim members spreading antisemitism

 

wbr

roobaa01

[elmrfudd]

1 hour ago, Kieran00001 said:

 

Who cares?  What matters is that these criminals were caught and brought to justice, the investigation was clearly a success, and it is not over yet by the way.

yes, those criminals were brought to "justice" 

 

unfortunately there are hundreds more much worse in DC that should be, but they vote democrat, so no problem eh?

[candide]

5 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

yes, those criminals were brought to "justice" 

 

unfortunately there are hundreds more much worse in DC that should be, but they vote democrat, so no problem eh?

Quite emotional answer. ????

[elmrfudd]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

9 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

yes, those criminals were brought to "justice" 

 

unfortunately there are hundreds more much worse in DC that should be, but they vote democrat, so no problem eh?

Quite emotional answer. ????

in what way?

you seem very sensitive. need a safe space or a therapy dog?

[Chomper Higgot]

14 ongoing investigations directly from the Mueller investigation.

 

Clear evidence of Obstruction of Justice and clear evidence of collusion.

 

Trump and his supporters are kidding themselves.

 

Trump has not been exonerated, very far from it.

 

[elmrfudd]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

14 ongoing investigations directly from the Mueller investigation.

 

Clear evidence of Obstruction of Justice and clear evidence of collusion.

 

Trump and his supporters are kidding themselves.

 

Trump has not been exonerated, very far from it.

 

clear evidence of collusion?

clear evidence of obstruction to a crime that never happened?

man are you delusional.

 

there will be a second term.

there will be prosecutions of the people behind this charade.

 

get your crying towel ready

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

clear evidence of collusion?

clear evidence of obstruction to a crime that never happened?

man are you delusional.

 

there will be a second term.

there will be prosecutions of the people behind this charade.

 

get your crying towel ready

I encourage you to read the Mueller report for yourself.

 

It is absolutely does not exonerate Trump.

 

 

[elmrfudd]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

6 minutes ago, elmrfudd said:

clear evidence of collusion?

clear evidence of obstruction to a crime that never happened?

man are you delusional.

 

there will be a second term.

there will be prosecutions of the people behind this charade.

 

get your crying towel ready

I encourage you to read the Mueller report for yourself.

 

It is absolutely does not exonerate Trump.

read it, I also see what was not in it. like the entire false premise

and the fusion GPS/ Clinton/DNC that created the false dossier.

 

the mueller report invents a new legal term "not not guilty"

 

it will not end up in any prosecution, except for those who were 

responsible for this attempted coup.

 

but you keep up that outrage machine chugging along. it is hilarious

to watch

[Chomper Higgot]

With ‘Impeachment’ now being publicly discussed House Judiciary Committee chair Jerry Nadler has just issued Don McGahn with a subpoena.

 

Illiberals get your denial glasses on, the truth will (despite Individual-1’s best efforts) out!

[elmrfudd]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

With ‘Impeachment’ now being publicly discussed House Judiciary Committee chair Jerry Nadler has just issued Don McGahn with a subpoena.

 

Illiberals get your denial glasses on, the truth will (despite Individual-1’s best efforts) out!

yes, please keep going down this road, do not stop. it will be hilarious to watch it blow up in your face

[roobaa01]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I encourage you to read the Mueller report for yourself.

 

It is absolutely does not exonerate Trump.

 

 

yes especially page 11 about the hillary financed dirxx dossier, page 61 michael caputo meeting his russian contact greenbaum 17 year long fbi informant also paid by the fbi. mueller did not mentioned in his report about greenbaum fbi matters. yep both matters are ongoin investigations out of 12. if such facts are omitted by mueller , is he partisian or biased ??? horowitz wil find out

one cannot be exonorated for it is negative

 

wbr

roobaa01

[roobaa01]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

With ‘Impeachment’ now being publicly discussed House Judiciary Committee chair Jerry Nadler has just issued Don McGahn with a subpoena.

 

Illiberals get your denial glasses on, the truth will (despite Individual-1’s best efforts) out!

meaningless actionism for certain congress members have the right to read the unredacted report. impeachment 5555what a rubbish fabricated by dems.

 

wbr

roobaa01

[Chomper Higgot]

13 minutes ago, roobaa01 said:

yes especially page 11 about the hillary financed dirxx dossier, page 61 michael caputo meeting his russian contact greenbaum 17 year long fbi informant also paid by the fbi. mueller did not mentioned in his report about greenbaum fbi matters. yep both matters are ongoin investigations out of 12. if such facts are omitted by mueller , is he partisian or biased ??? horowitz wil find out

one cannot be exonorated for it is negative

 

wbr

roobaa01

No mention at all of the Steele Dossier on page 11.

 

A way with you and your easily checked falsehoods.