spidermike007 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 It is just that some people who were deluded by the fake Master, are now realizing just who he is, how filthy he is, to what extent he will go to accomplish something, his astonishing degree of guilt, his totally inglorious past, his crimes and misdemeanors, and that he is part of the bottom of the barrel humanity, with no redeeming qualities whatsoever, as a human being. Some of us already knew that. Some had to learn it. But, it is obvious to all now, including those that choose to continue to support him, due to the agreement with some of his policies, and the lack of an alternative. Alot of my friends who still choose to support him, tell me they hate the man, and have no respect for him as a human. But, they will continue to hold their noses and support him, as the alternative does not exist for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmyyy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 This forum is so left leaning and full of one sided attacks that it has lost all credibility. Orange man bad, is not a crime. Go ahead try to impeach him, rally his base for an assured reelection in 2020. He may even get the house back. I for one will be voting for him, for no other reason than it pisses the SJW's off. Most American's care about the economy, not all this feelings, SJW, liberal nut case platform stuff. Socialism is dead on arrival. Keep it up we will win again, and I will be forced to come here and say I told you so, like i did in 2016. Still smiling The Roo Republican Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, Hogs said: The fact that they have not charged Trump with anything means he is EXONERATED Mueller had to put something in there to cast dout because he waster almost 3 years and 30 Million bucks on a nothing burger. I really hope Barr takes down those that have spied on the President and used the fake dossier to commit these crimes against the American people. Even if it was against Obama (who I detest) I would stll have to stand up and call for the prosecution of those involved. Nonsense. If that was the case, why didn't Mueller say the same for the Russian conspiracy part of the investigation? What you don't seem to understand is that it is DOJ policy that a sitting President can't be indicted for a crime. Trump could now murder someone in full view of the public and couldn't be indicted until he was impeached by the House and convicted by the Senate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, attrayant said: 1 hour ago, Hogs said: Just goes to show how stupid these people are then as you actually have to have committed Crimes that can hold up in a court of law. Impeachment is a political process, not a legal one. That and your other statements show that your understanding of basic criminal law is comical, to put it mildly. From Wiki article on Impeachment: - Impeachment exists under constitutional law in many countries. - In the United States, for example, impeachment at the federal level is limited to those who may have committed Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Thus you are the comic and Hogs is 100% correct in his statement. It is reserved for high crimes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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1FinickyOne Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, Gecko123 said: I understand where you're coming from ken24, but your post also suggests that there's no objective truth, and all we're left with is just propaganda and news cycle spin. Mueller's report is highly objective and the closest we are likely to get to the truth. People like Barr, McConnell and Trump are spinning the Mueller report as "no collusion and no obstruction" and the Fox sheeples are laping it up. But anyone who reads the Mueller report and makes the slightest effort to do so with partisanship removed from the equation, will come away highly disturbed by what they have read. It was a play off Nyezhov's trailer line on his profile... just some punctuation on my comment to him... his line, not mine... I float like a butterfly though can't manage to sting like a bee... if you are passing by, stop for an expensive lunch - - Mexico is going to pay for it... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, webfact said: The number of Americans who said President Donald Trump should be impeached rose 5 percentage points to 45 percent since mid-April, while more than half said multiple congressional probes of Trump interfered with important government business, according to a Reuters/Ipsos poll released on Thursday. So, despite the attempt by the headline to imply that a majority of Americans support impeachment, there is less than 50% support for that option. If, after all the bad publicity, support for impeachment can't even break 50%, will it ever? Seems to me that over half of Americans want the government to start doing it's job and get on with running the country, instead of Trump, Trump, Trump all the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stargeezr Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 I guess once a Lemming, err Republican, always a republican. I think it will be a better day when, Trump, and Trudeau, go back to the wilderness for at least 40 years. Geezer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
riclag Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 It would take a marketing genius to convince the American swing voter to elect Mr. TRUMP another 4 years! He's won 3-1/2 out 4 non legislation events,shooting for two more! 1. 2016 landslide 2. 2018 senate 3. Mueller matter-no obstruction,no collusion, no conspiracy. 4. lost the house Lets see how he markets what he calls a attempted Coup . Got almost 18 months to convince them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jonah Tenner Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, Dumbastheycome said: I have read that the Republican/ Democrat divide is basically a continuation of the original American Civil war anyway. Just another one that has never actually been won ! You mean the Democrats still haven't forgiven the Republicans for taking their slaves away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mansell Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 6 hours ago, marcusarelus said: Name one. Me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 4 hours ago, bristolboy said: The report does explicitly say that it does not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. I don't think it says why a sitting president can't be charged. It just cites DOJ policy. It's a quibble but the kind of thing Barr took advantage of to mislead the media and the public. Does it say that in those words? Obstruction charges triggered by known false accusations is the all powerful go to tool for corrupt slime mould politicians. Been around and used for a long time. Did you ever stop to think why (all) presidents have special protections? This is why. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dumbastheycome Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 56 minutes ago, Jonah Tenner said: You mean the Democrats still haven't forgiven the Republicans for taking their slaves away? I guess not despite that the Republicans already had plenty of their own. Or maybe it was because they have not forgiven being forced back into a "democratic" union ? It seems nothing has changed in the "application" of democratic" illusion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Becker Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, jimmyyy said: This forum is so left leaning and full of one sided attacks that it has lost all credibility. Then why are you still posting on it? PS. A base man-child supporter talking about credibility - bwahahahaha!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
attrayant Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 hours ago, rabas said: From Wiki article on Impeachment: - Impeachment exists under constitutional law in many countries. - In the United States, for example, impeachment at the federal level is limited to those who may have committed Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Thus you are the comic and Hogs is 100% correct in his statement. It is reserved for high crimes. You copied actual words but you don't seem to understand what they mean. Something that exists "under constitutional law" simply means that a constitution permits that thing to exist. In other words, the constitution allows for the process of impeachment. As to what offenses are impeachable, you should continue reading your own "source". It says: Impeachable offenses The Constitution defines impeachment at the federal level and limits impeachment to "The President, Vice President, and all civil officers of the United States" who may be impeached and removed only for "treason, bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors". Several commentators have suggested that Congress alone may decide for itself what constitutes a "high crime or misdemeanor", especially since Nixon v. United States stated that the Supreme Court did not have the authority to determine whether the Senate properly "tried" a defendant. In 1970, then-House Minority Leader Gerald R. Ford defined the criterion as he saw it: "An impeachable offense is whatever a majority of the House of Representatives considers it to be at a given moment in history." This is quite sad. I know civics class was a long time ago, but this subject is really not that complex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cycolista Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 hours ago, rabas said: From Wiki article on Impeachment: - Impeachment exists under constitutional law in many countries. - In the United States, for example, impeachment at the federal level is limited to those who may have committed Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Thus you are the comic and Hogs is 100% correct in his statement. It is reserved for high crimes. And misdemeanors misdemeanor noun [ C ] US /ˌmɪs·dəˈmi·nər, ˈmɪs·dəˌmi-/ a crime considered to be one of the less serious types of crime: He was convicted in court on a misdemeanor charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
connda Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 If you don't like Trump, than get out and vote in 2020 presidential elections. Continuing down this path of not accepting the election results and demanding 'impeachment' is treading on the slippery slope of totalitarianism. Be careful what you wish for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spike1938 Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 8 hours ago, Nyezhov said: Gee I have read the report and see no such thing. Gee, you must have missed the at least 10 instances of attempted obstruction of justice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 5 hours ago, rabas said: From Wiki article on Impeachment: - Impeachment exists under constitutional law in many countries. - In the United States, for example, impeachment at the federal level is limited to those who may have committed Treason, Bribery, or other high crimes and misdemeanors. Thus you are the comic and Hogs is 100% correct in his statement. It is reserved for high crimes. The problem is that the Congress gets to decide what a high crime and misdemeanor is. Bill Clinton's chief "crime" was lying to a jury in a civil case. The Supreme Court has been very reluctant to interfere. That said, if Congress decided that Trump engaged in obstruction of justice in an investigation of his campagn and administration, that would certainly qualify as a high crime. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Gecko123 said: It's taking a while for what's in the Mueller report to filter into the public consciousness. As this begins to happen more and more people will come to realize the scope of Trump's dishonesty and corruption. Everyone should read the Mueller report for themselves, and there's no excuse for not doing so. Minus the redactions and footnotes, it's only 200 or so pages. https://www.npr.org/2019/04/18/708850903/read-the-full-mueller-report-with-redactions Trump is the biggest threat to American democracy in the history of the republic. Did you miss the conclusion of the Mueller report? Oh sorry, Trump must be guilty of everything, who needs evidence. As long as Democrats say so, because they're good people with the correct views! The biggest threat to American democracy is ironically the party calling themselves Democrats who want to use the law as a political weapon against their opponents but see themselves as above the law and able to ignore laws they don't like. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, bristolboy said: The problem is that the Congress gets to decide what a high crime and misdemeanor is. Bill Clinton's chief "crime" was lying to a jury in a civil case. The Supreme Court has been very reluctant to interfere. That said, if Congress decided that Trump engaged in obstruction of justice in an investigation of his campagn and administration, that would certainly qualify as a high crime. To the Democrats Trump's high crime was in beating their dubious choice for POTUS when they all thought the result as a forgone conclusion! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Just now, Baerboxer said: Did you miss the conclusion of the Mueller report? Oh sorry, Trump must be guilty of everything, who needs evidence. As long as Democrats say so, because they're good people with the correct views! The biggest threat to American democracy is ironically the party calling themselves Democrats who want to use the law as a political weapon against their opponents but see themselves as above the law and able to ignore laws they don't like. I believe it's you who missed the conclusions of the Mueller report. The report specifically said it did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. And it carefully and in detailed cited instances that could be construed as such. And clearly left it open for the House to further investigate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 1 hour ago, connda said: If you don't like Trump, than get out and vote in 2020 presidential elections. Continuing down this path of not accepting the election results and demanding 'impeachment' is treading on the slippery slope of totalitarianism. Be careful what you wish for. As a non-American observer, without a "dog in the race', that would seem a very obvious and very dangerous steep slope. But the unforgiving hatred of the Democrats in their use of the law as a political weapon, as is becoming a facet of all left political groups, is going to push America down that slope. Increasingly the left of politics embrace totalitarianism. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 3 minutes ago, bristolboy said: I believe it's you who missed the conclusions of the Mueller report. The report specifically said it did not exonerate Trump of obstruction of justice. And it carefully and in detailed cited instances that could be construed as such. And clearly left it open for the House to further investigate. It did not say that it found any cases proven either. Mueller bottled it, passed the book and looked for a way of keeping the witch hunt going. We can't find any evidence of collusion, which was our job to investigate, but maybe we can get him on some other things but you'll have to do that "politically". Whether you hate Trump or are ambivalent to him, this smacks of a witch hunt approach. It also is another demonstration of the world wide left liberal PC groups refusal to accept defeat in elections. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 2 minutes ago, Baerboxer said: As a non-American observer, without a "dog in the race', that would seem a very obvious and very dangerous steep slope. But the unforgiving hatred of the Democrats in their use of the law as a political weapon, as is becoming a facet of all left political groups, is going to push America down that slope. Increasingly the left of politics embrace totalitarianism. Given Mueller's report, the Democrats are acting within their reasonable rights to investigate Trump for impeachment. It's only because of Barr's misleading summary that some believe otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
earlinclaifornia Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 9 hours ago, Cryingdick said: Meanwhile he has an approval rating similar to Obama's. https://news.gallup.com/interactives/185273/presidential-job-approval-center.aspx Actually 5% lower and this is Trumps highest approval ever. No President who has never had a 50% approval hs ever been reelected Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MickeyDelux Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 If you believe this malarkey (aka fake news) then you are probably still watching CNN and believe AOC is making relevant points in her Green deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 If you don't like Trump, than get out and vote in 2020 presidential elections. Continuing down this path of not accepting the election results and demanding 'impeachment' is treading on the slippery slope of totalitarianism. Be careful what you wish for. No. 45 has already crossed the line of totalitarianism. That's the problem. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 Did you miss the conclusion of the Mueller report? Oh sorry, Trump must be guilty of everything, who needs evidence. As long as Democrats say so, because they're good people with the correct views! The biggest threat to American democracy is ironically the party calling themselves Democrats who want to use the law as a political weapon against their opponents but see themselves as above the law and able to ignore laws they don't like.Yeah. Not exonerated. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted May 10, 2019 Share Posted May 10, 2019 If you believe this malarkey (aka fake news) then you are probably still watching CNN and believe AOC is making relevant points in her Green deal.Yeah I get it. If it's not 45 propaganda it's fake. Sent from my Lenovo A7020a48 using Thailand Forum - Thaivisa mobile app Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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