If May is determined to push her deal through by holding her party to ransom, it's going to fail, and we're back to square one. First of all it's no good leaving without any plan in place to make it a success, and as for quitting the customs union that is a quick route to utter trade chaos.
 
I've never experienced so much intransigence by the government, parliament and the lemming leavers, who just can't get it that Brexit, as it stands, is a disaster waiting to happen - as from day 1.
 
I am sure that Brexit will haunt the UK for decades, and the young will have to pay the cost. At least they'll be able to rejoin the EU (customs union and single market) after the next general election if Labour keep to their referendum promise.

Only in YOUR wishful dreams

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20 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said:

Not really. 

Many people are so dissapointed and fed up with these politicians who deceived them for so many years that they will not vote any more. 

Yes people are fed up and feel betrayed by the promises that was given to them 3 years ago, they are now totally incensed and feel let down knowing that their vote was meaningless, it was the biggest let down of democracy our country has ever witnessed.

But I'll stick my head on the block and say that the turnout for the EU elections will be a record turnout. Peoples voices will be heard.

4 hours ago, soalbundy said:

There are 48% (if that figure is still valid) who wouldn't follow this loud mouth who still collects his EU salary, has two children with German passports and a French mistress.

We are still voting for him - yay, go for it Nige!! 

If we could all have an extra passport and euro mistress maybe a few would become Remainers, but that is never going to be the case as these perks only go to the EU bureaucrats. 

5 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

After telling everyone that “leave” means “no deal”, I wouldn’t be surprised if that became the new narrative of Brexiteers. And, of course, depending on the percentages, it’s up to Brexiteers to decide what a leave-party is and what a remain-party is. After all, they are the authority to tell people what they voted for ???? 

Not at all.

 

The electorate now know that their MPs are determined to remain, and more than a few are unhappy at the political

games being played to ensure this happens.

 

 

Remainers have no problem with these games for obvious reasons - but a large part of the electorate are very worried that our 'representatives ????' are proving themselves to be nothing of the sort.....

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, JonnyF said:

OK let's count all the Remain parties.

 

Lib Dems on about 12%. 

Change UK on 3%

Green 2%

 

Brexit and UKIP combined is approaching 40%.

 

Good luck getting that "People's vote". If you get one, you'll lose again. Nobody changed their minds, if anything Leave looks to have gained a larger majority.

 

Eaxactly: only a 40 % for… leave, whatever consequence = hard Brexit.

Remain whatever: 17 %

Maybe, little here, little there, stay at the known for a long time parties: 43 %

Remind: Nothing of Brexit happened yet. Curious, how the Brits will respond when they have to line up for a Schengen visa, pick their strawberries themselves instead of Polish season workers, organise their food safety instead of now via RASFF and EFSA, and find ways to sell theri products under WTO conditions… far away.

 

So, when you Brits finally make up your mind....

 

Edited May 15, 20197 yr by puipuitom
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1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

A typical Brexiteer: cannot calculate, cannot ready, cannot search at Internet.

You British are not wealthy enough to pay anything of the German pensions, see  https://www.expatica.com/de/finance/retirement/german-pension-guide-understanding-your-pension-in-germany-831124/  

Even the total salary + all declarable expenses of these three together stays under your 1 million pounds.

 

Maybe… when we add a month income of a British football player to it...

 

Edited May 15, 20197 yr by puipuitom

6 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

After telling everyone that “leave” means “no deal”, I wouldn’t be surprised if that became the new narrative of Brexiteers. And, of course, depending on the percentages, it’s up to Brexiteers to decide what a leave-party is and what a remain-party is. After all, they are the authority to tell people what they voted for ???? 

After telling everyone that she has a deal, that turns out to actually be the Merkel/May Surrender Treaty, you shouldn't be surprised that we won't believe her ever again. If there was some sort of a mutually beneficial deal, it could possibly have been successful. But a trick to shackle the UK to to EU as vassal state would only ever result in demands for No Deal. Both the EU and our politicians have proved to be untrustworthy so the only acceptable exit is, by default, No Deal. That is not a new narrative but the original intention.

 

And of course, it's actually the whole of the electorate decision, "...Nobody else’s. Not politicians’. Not Parliament’s. Not lobby groups’..." and certainly not foreign Europhiles. And yes, they will tell people on both sides of the UK divide and both sides of the English Channel, what they voted for. Just watch next Thursday........................

3 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Only in YOUR wishful dreams

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How many more times do you have to understand that pensions are paid by the country, not EU?

3 hours ago, puipuitom said:

A typical Brexiteer: cannot calculate, cannot ready, cannot search at Internet.

You British are not wealthy enough to pay anything of the German pensions, see  https://www.expatica.com/de/finance/retirement/german-pension-guide-understanding-your-pension-in-germany-831124/  

Even the total salary + all declarable expenses of these three together stays under your 1 million pounds.

 

Maybe… when we add a month income of a British football player to it...

 

Your cartoon displays false numbers. Same as last time.  

How many more times do you have to understand that pensions are paid by the country, not EU?

But the eu subsidy junkie countries who pay pensions feed off the eu brussels atm
Who feeds the eu brussels atm...THINK ABOUT IT

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4 hours ago, puipuitom said:

Eaxactly: only a 40 % for… leave, whatever consequence = hard Brexit.

Remain whatever: 17 %

Maybe, little here, little there, stay at the known for a long time parties: 43 %

Remind: Nothing of Brexit happened yet. Curious, how the Brits will respond when they have to line up for a Schengen visa, pick their strawberries themselves instead of Polish season workers, organise their food safety instead of now via RASFF and EFSA, and find ways to sell theri products under WTO conditions… far away.

 

So, when you Brits finally make up your mind....

 

We did   KICK ME

6 hours ago, malagateddy said:

 

 

That would have to be 52 times now that you post the same propaganda photo.

Knowingly with wrong content.

I'm surprised that you do not have to pay TV for your multiple partie advertisings.

 

That would have to be 52 times now that you post the same propaganda photo.
Knowingly with wrong content.
I'm surprised that you do not have to pay TV for your multiple partie advertisings.
 

Only 52..dear oh dear.
Well..you could always put me on your ignore list!!!


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4 hours ago, stephenterry said:

How many more times do you have to understand that pensions are paid by the country, not EU?

Except thoose, who worked at EU. They get from there… as Mr Nigal Farage knows very well, as he missed no meeting about that.

9 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Please make your point..instead of making cheap..snide..gutter like noises

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I think he's trying to make the point that Farage is a typical hypocritical "do as I say not as I do" politician and a rather loud mouthed one at that.

1 hour ago, malagateddy said:

 

 

Only 52..dear oh dear.
Well..you could always put me on your ignore list!!!


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Can you explain why you feel the EU rather than successive British governments are responsible for the homeless people and increased numbers of refugees from non-EU countries?

14 hours ago, soalbundy said:

but to be fair even parliament doesn't know what it wants, the nation is divided and firms are leaving, the Spiegel reports that thousands of British firms have relocated to Germany, the majority of billionaires in the UK are Russian.

 

Can you evidence your assertion that the majority of billionaires in the UK are Russian please?

7 hours ago, stephenterry said:

How many more times do you have to understand that pensions are paid by the country, not EU?

they will never understand,they have been brainwashed,someone on here stated a week ago that EU membership costs €1.50 per brit per week or month i dont recall which,so the figure's of £400-500 per week pensions are not coming from the UK contributions,maybe the germans and spanish pay in more,or whats more likely is they dont have the lazy idle scroungers and single mothers with 2-3 kids at 19 year old.

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15 hours ago, soalbundy said:

15 hours ago, evadgib said:

The People know what they want; Parliament hasn't delivered. A Tsunami is heading their way ridden by Farage on a surfboard & megaphone and they only have themselves to blame for the consequences that will follow.

There are 48% (if that figure is still valid) who wouldn't follow this loud mouth who still collects his EU salary, has two children with German passports and a French mistress.

Leave won by 1.3 million votes with a 33.5 million turnout. A small margin for Brexit over remain. Really?
Consider the following figures.
In the 2015 UK election, the Conservatives won with a margin of just under 2 million votes with a turnout of 30.7 million.
In 2010 the Conservative winning margin was just over 2 million.
In 2005, Labour won with a majority of just under 800,000 votes.
In 2017, the Tories didn't get a majority but formed a Government with the DUP. The Tories' lead over Labour was just 800,000 votes. If you add the DUP's 290K votes you could say Theresa May's approximate overall majority is 1.1 million votes.
So the 2016 1.3 million Leave margin is actually bigger than May's 2017 1.1 million election margin and she's therefore preventing Brexit with a smaller mandate. The irony.

 
Can you explain why you feel the EU rather than successive British governments are responsible for the homeless people and increased numbers of refugees from non-EU countries?

1..
The imo war criminal and sociopath blair opened the door to the eu immigrants from eastern europe.
2..
Border controls were very very lax until fairly recently..it's thought that the UK has over 1.5 million illegals lurking wherever in the UK.
3..
As the hordes of non eu immigrants/refugees landed in greece/italy..they should have been kept there.
However..they were allowed to stampede thro mainland europe..and many of them headed and managed to get into the UK.
Remember merkel..she WELCOMED them..but many kept marching to france and are now baying to get into the land of milk and honey where they hope to be fed/watered/housed/educated/given healthcare/given money/etc etc.
All at the expence of the hard pressed UK taxpayers.

Rant over.

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12 hours ago, malagateddy said:

But the eu subsidy junkie countries who pay pensions feed off the eu brussels atm
Who feeds the eu brussels atm...THINK ABOUT IT

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Here's some stats for you to consider. The UK's 2017 budget for overseas aid reached £14 billion and £100m was given to India!   Contribution to UN peacekeeping is US$7b.

 

Brexit is costing the UK's economy £40billion a year (£800m a week), which massively outstrips UK savings on EU pension liabilities. Gertjan Vlieghe, a member of the Bank’ of England's monetary policy committee, said that since the vote in June 2016, the economy had lost about 2% of GDP compared with a scenario where there had been no significant domestic economic events. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

 

So you are correct that the UK contributes to the 'junkie' countries and whom will continue to be supported for a while, but the major fiscal downside is totally owing to Brexit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

59 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Here's some stats for you to consider. The UK's 2017 budget for overseas aid reached £14 billion and £100m was given to India!   Contribution to UN peacekeeping is US$7b.

 

Brexit is costing the UK's economy £40billion a year (£800m a week), which massively outstrips UK savings on EU pension liabilities. Gertjan Vlieghe, a member of the Bank’ of England's monetary policy committee, said that since the vote in June 2016, the economy had lost about 2% of GDP compared with a scenario where there had been no significant domestic economic events. Since the referendum, the UK’s economic growth has slowed while the rest of the world has recorded one of its strongest periods for growth of the past decade.

 

So you are correct that the UK contributes to the 'junkie' countries and whom will continue to be supported for a while, but the major fiscal downside is totally owing to Brexit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Your £40 billion a year fantasy number only comes up in The Guardian and People's Vote websites.

 

What a surprise!

12 minutes ago, nauseus said:

Your £40 billion a year fantasy number only comes up in The Guardian and People's Vote websites.

 

What a surprise!

Except it came from the BoE monetary policy committee as an exact statement of proven historical fact since 2016. 

 

It should be crystal to any reader that Brexit has adversely slowed down the growth of the UK economy, so to disregard that fact is demonstrating an ability not to accept anything adverse about Brexit.

 

And I wonder who lives in fantasy land?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited May 16, 20197 yr by stephenterry
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Except it came from the BoE monetary policy committee as an exact statement of proven historical fact since 2016. 
 
It should be crystal to any reader that Brexit has adversely slowed down the growth of the UK economy, so to disregard that fact is demonstrating an ability not to accept anything adverse about Brexit.
 
And I wonder who lives in fantasy land?
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Ah..the B of E...another lying project fear pundit..led by the wonderful mark cairney..aka..a former rothchildd or goldman sachs jobsworth..no surprise there then is there??

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52 minutes ago, stephenterry said:

Except it came from the BoE monetary policy committee as an exact statement of proven historical fact since 2016. 

 

It should be crystal to any reader that Brexit has adversely slowed down the growth of the UK economy, so to disregard that fact is demonstrating an ability not to accept anything adverse about Brexit.

 

And I wonder who lives in fantasy land?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

No. It's from a speech that uses words like “synthetic”, "estimates", "suggests" and "around". The numbers are not proven and not absolute.

5 hours ago, stephenterry said:

 

Brexit is costing the UK's economy £40billion a year (£800m a week), 

 

So you are correct that the UK contributes to the 'junkie' countries and whom will continue to be supported for a while, but the major fiscal downside is totally owing to Brexit.

 

Regardless of where your Project Fear 2.0 numbers are dreamed up, nobody is listening and nobody cares, least of all Brexiteers. If there are any real costs, it's not due to Brexit. We haven't exited yet. Any cost can only be due to the procrastination of the Remain subjugation. They are all your costs!

 

4 hours ago, malagateddy said:

Ah..the B of E...another lying project fear pundit..led by the wonderful mark cairney..aka..a former rothchildd or goldman sachs jobsworth..no surprise there then is there??

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Again, facts you don't like put down as project fear, or put down because you don't like the source.

 

Facts are facts, even if you don't like them.

40 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again, facts you don't like put down as project fear, or put down because you don't like the source.

 

Facts are facts, even if you don't like them.

No, they are not necessarily facts, especially if produced to con the UK public into Remain. They are simply not to be believed and are more than likely "False News". Ask The Donald - he knows all about the lies from sources like the ones you choose.

40 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again, facts you don't like put down as project fear, or put down because you don't like the source.

 

Facts are facts, even if you don't like them.

No, they are not necessarily facts, especially if produced to con the UK public into Remain. They are simply not to be believed and are more than likely "False News". Ask The Donald - he knows all about the lies from sources like the ones you choose.

36 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Again, facts you don't like put down as project fear, or put down because you don't like the source.

 

Facts are facts, even if you don't like them.

Anything from the BoE needs to be taken with a