Israel launches 'Trump Heights' on Golan, but construction may lag

[monkeycu]

If only someone would launch Trump   ????

Maybe Kim might help out

The deeper in space the better for the air head 

[Elfin]

11 hours ago, ezzra said:

To the victors the spoil, Trump turned out to be Israel's great supporter and benefactor, and it's only befitting that a place of community gathering, living and prospering will be name in his honor...

The "place of community gathering" as you put it, is occupied Syrian land, not recognised by the majority of world powers, and will eventually be returned to its rightful owners, as will the rest of the illegally occupied land that Israel claims to be theirs by annexation. Go on, get back to the pre-1967 borders where you lot belong!

[metisdead]

A post containing an off topic trolling meme has been removed. 

[Morch]

9 hours ago, dexterm said:

Just because other countries are guilty of land theft and ethnic cleansing in the 21st Century doesn't make it right. And worse still to have the USA rubber stamp it.

 

Interesting to note American disapproval in the form of economic sanctions when other countries behave so badly, and yet hypocritically reward Israel when it does the same.

 

Building a squattlement Trump Heights won't make the rightful owners Syria roll over and stop fighting to get it back. Trump has needlessly created yet another obstacle to peace in the region.

 

I think your comments would be a tad more credible if you'd actually bother with them other instances, rather than being almost exclusively focused on this conflict.

 

As for hypocritical comments about the USA's hypocrisy - the USA does business with China, Saudi Arabia and others countries holding a bad track record on related issues. As far as I'm aware, not much by way of sanctions either, but expected you'll try and twist reality to fit the narrative.

 

And unless you missed it, the "rightful owners"'s ruler is busy killing his own people, allowing sponsor countries a greater foothold. That's without adding them pesky Kurds, or the Turkish invasion/occupation to the list. I think he's got more pressing things on his plate at the moment.

 

Do tell how Trump's hollow move actually effects chances for "peace in the region". Do you imagine that Assad is in any position to make peace - at the moment, or anytime soon? Does it effect, in any way, the non-existent negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians? More like a knee-jerk reactions slogan.

[Morch]

9 hours ago, dexterm said:

Israel and its pre-independence terrorists gangs has started every single war with its neighbors apart from 1973 and even then Egypt was only trying to regain occupied territory.

 

Syria will do the same one day. One thing is for sure:  the Trump administration and Israel are the only ones in the world who will ever recognize this illegal annexation. Neat photo op for Netanyahu's re-election bid and a massage for Trump's ego, but that's all.

 

Disregarding your standard issue historical revisionism attempts, got to love the crystal ball bits. You have no idea whether Syria "will do the same" one day, or ever. And you can't be sure about the recognition thing either. More like wishful thinking, rather than reality based comments.

[Morch]

8 hours ago, Pedrogaz said:

Hopefully Trump Heights, this monument to monumental vanity, will be razed to the ground when the Golan Heights are returned to their rightful owner. 

I suppose that you don't apply your same thinking to China in the South China or in Ukraine or Crimea. There you want international laws to apply. Examine your conscience.

 

Apparently there's not much to be razed, and I wouldn't bet that there ever will be. Got to love posters going on about the "rightful owner", skipping around the uncomfortable reality of what's currently going on there.

 

As for bringing up China in the South China Sea, Ukraine and Crimea - got to love the hypocrisy displayed by some posters. Truly amusing. And that "examine you conscience" bit - priceless. Thanks a bunch.

 

 

[Muzarella]

12 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Nothing Trump ever lasts:

 

http://fortune.com/2018/10/17/trump-place-votes-dump-trump-name/

All that plus the Trump Casinos and the Trump Towers failures around the world.

Trump. A serial Money Laundering expert, a Fraud and Scammer. To let Donald be in Charge of USA Finances is like to let a Child molester be in charge of an Orphanage.

[billd766]

13 hours ago, ezzra said:

Dozens of bloody wars with untolled number of death, sufferings and displacements have been waged and are ongoing now all over the world despite your premise that we're in the 21st century and the International Law and the Geneva Convention, and the list is too long for this forum, and yes, powerful nations are at it, Russia conquering parts of Ukraine and Georgia and actively engaged in bombing Syrian people, Iran In Iraq and yemen and Lebanon and this is only in the middle east, China in Tibet, India in Kashmir, should i go on?...

Well you could have done by mentioning Saudi Arabia in Yemen greatly supported by the USA but that would not have suited your agenda, would it?

[billd766]

12 hours ago, klauskunkel said:

'Trump Heights', a walled community, I'm sure

Is Mexico going to pay for it?

[bristolboy]

1 hour ago, Morch said:

 

Apparently there's not much to be razed, and I wouldn't bet that there ever will be. Got to love posters going on about the "rightful owner", skipping around the uncomfortable reality of what's currently going on there.

 

As for bringing up China in the South China Sea, Ukraine and Crimea - got to love the hypocrisy displayed by some posters. Truly amusing. And that "examine you conscience" bit - priceless. Thanks a bunch.

 

 

It's one thing to occupy a territory for military reasons. Quite another to annex it.

[bristolboy]

16 hours ago, Orton Rd said:

All Presidents from Clinton onwards are on record as agreeing that Jerusalem is the capital of Israel, only Trump had the balls to officially recognise it as such. It upset a few oil producers and terrorists, tough.

Congress passed a law in 1995 that recognized in principle that Jerusalem was the capital of Israel. But it gave presidents the authority to delay moving the embassy there. Clinton, Bush, and Obama all repeatedly exercised that authority.

[Morch]

14 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

It's one thing to occupy a territory for military reasons. Quite another to annex it.

 

Yes. And this relates to my post...how?

[bristolboy]

1 minute ago, Morch said:

 

Yes. And this relates to my post...how?

" Got to love posters going on about the "rightful owner", skipping around the uncomfortable reality of what's currently going on there."

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

" Got to love posters going on about the "rightful owner", skipping around the uncomfortable reality of what's currently going on there."

 

Yes. And?

[bristolboy]

4 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Yes. And?

No matter what's going on in Syria, the Golan Heights does rightfully belong to it. And whatever the nature of its government, that is entirely irrelevant to the question of Israel's annexation of the Golan heights and its theft of private property located on it.

[Morch]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

No matter what's going on in Syria, the Golan Heights does rightfully belong to it. And whatever the nature of its government, that is entirely irrelevant to the question of Israel's annexation of the Golan heights and its theft of private property located on it.

 

My point was more to do with the hypocrisy exhibited by some posters. But then you already knew that.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

My point was more to do with the hypocrisy exhibited by some posters. But then you already knew that.

And that point is a deflection., But then, you already knew that. 

[Redline]

17 hours ago, Boon Mee said:

Undoubtedly the first of many communities around the world to adopt the name of the best President since Ronald Reagan. 

Bit people are paying to get the trump name off their buildings ????

[Morch]

9 hours ago, bristolboy said:

And that point is a deflection., But then, you already knew that. 

 

More like you're striving to get one of your pointless, petty off-topic arguments going.

[bristolboy]

16 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

More like you're striving to get one of your pointless, petty off-topic arguments going.

Deflecting much?

[Morch]

1 minute ago, bristolboy said:

Deflecting much?

 

Nope, just pointing out your standard issue trolling.

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

Nope, just pointing out your standard issue trolling.

Actually more like your standard issue name calling when you get caught out.

[Morch]

3 minutes ago, bristolboy said:

Actually more like your standard issue name calling when you get caught out.

 

"Caught out" would be another one of your dreamed up nonsense bits.

[bristolboy]

8 minutes ago, Morch said:

 

"Caught out" would be another one of your dreamed up nonsense bits.

[Scott]

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[malagateddy]

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[Trouble]

On 6/16/2019 at 6:53 PM, ezzra said:

Dozens of bloody wars with untolled number of death, sufferings and displacements have been waged and are ongoing now all over the world despite your premise that we're in the 21st century and the International Law and the Geneva Convention, and the list is too long for this forum, and yes, powerful nations are at it, Russia conquering parts of Ukraine and Georgia and actively engaged in bombing Syrian people, Iran In Iraq and yemen and Lebanon and this is only in the middle east, China in Tibet, India in Kashmir, should i go on?...

The difference is that Israel claims not to be in a class with Russia, Iran, China, etc. but is part of the "civilized world" relying on the various conventions mentioned in the post to which you responded.  In effect it is the same as far a taking over territory, annexing, and building on it. Downright territorial expansion. Israel has not kept the lands it conquered as a safe zone but used it to build settlements and expand it's control. There's a difference between security and expansion.

[Sizzler55]

18 minutes ago, Trouble said:

The difference is that Israel claims not to be in a class with Russia, Iran, China, etc. but is part of the "civilized world" relying on the various conventions mentioned in the post to which you responded.  In effect it is the same as far a taking over territory, annexing, and building on it. Downright territorial expansion. Israel has not kept the lands it conquered as a safe zone but used it to build settlements and expand it's control. There's a difference between security and expansion.

Israel is barely the size of LA county bro. If there's this big nefarious "territorial expansion" going on its moving at the slowest pace in human history. Even more bizarre considering the fact they completely gave Gaza over to the virulent scum of Hamas. Russia annexed a giant chunk of Ukraine and the entire region of Crimea. If you think this is anything even remotely the same as the tiny region of the Golan Heights you are mentally ill. 

[dexterm]

5 hours ago, Sizzler55 said:

Israel is barely the size of LA county bro. If there's this big nefarious "territorial expansion" going on its moving at the slowest pace in human history. Even more bizarre considering the fact they completely gave Gaza over to the virulent scum of Hamas. Russia annexed a giant chunk of Ukraine and the entire region of Crimea. If you think this is anything even remotely the same as the tiny region of the Golan Heights you are mentally ill. 

Expansion is expansion. Size has nothing to do with it. If your neighbor stole your house and moved his family in, I dont think you would excuse him on the grounds that it's not as bad as Russia in the Crimea. You'd feel exactly the same as the thousands of Syrians who were ethnically cleansed to create the stolen land on which Trump Heights will be built.

 

The poster "Trouble" is quite right. Under the Geneva Convention one is allowed temporary military outposts on occupied land until the conflict is resolved, but it is a war crime to ethnically cleanse the local population, not allow them to return and then transfer your own people there.

[bristolboy]

8 hours ago, Sizzler55 said:

Israel is barely the size of LA county bro. 

False, bro.