rooster59 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 U.S. regulator cites new flaw on grounded Boeing 737 MAX By David Shepardson and Eric M. Johnson FILE PHOTO: The angle of attack sensor, at bottom center, is seen on a 737 Max aircraft at the Boeing factory in Renton, Washington, U.S., March 27, 2019. REUTERS/Lindsey Wasson/File Photo WASHINGTON/SEATTLE (Reuters) - The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has identified a new risk that Boeing Co must address on its 737 MAX before the grounded jet can return to service, the agency said on Wednesday. The risk was discovered during a simulator test last week and it is not yet clear if the issue can be addressed with a software upgrade or will require a more complex hardware fix, sources with knowledge of the matter told Reuters. The FAA did not elaborate on the latest setback for Boeing, which has been working to get its best-selling airplane back in the air following a worldwide grounding in March in the wake of two deadly crashes within five months. The new issue means Boeing will not conduct a certification test flight until July 8 in a best-case scenario, the sources said, but one source cautioned it could face further delays beyond that. The FAA will spend at least two to three weeks reviewing the results before deciding whether to return the plane to service, the people said. Last month, FAA representatives told members of the aviation industry that approval of the 737 MAX jets could happen as early as late June. The world's largest planemaker has been working on the upgrade for a stall-prevention system known as MCAS since a Lion Air crash in Indonesia in October, when pilots were believed to have lost a tug of war with software that repeatedly pushed the nose down. A second deadly crash in March in Ethiopia also involved MCAS. The two accidents killed a total of 346 people. "On the most recent issue, the FAA's process is designed to discover and highlight potential risks. The FAA recently found a potential risk that Boeing must mitigate," the FAA said in the statement emailed to Reuters. "The FAA will lift the aircraft’s prohibition order when we deem it is safe to do so." Boeing said in a securities filing late on Wednesday that the FAA has asked it to address through software changes a specific flight condition not covered in the company's already-unveiled software changes. The U.S. planemaker also said it agreed with the FAA's decision and request, and was working on a fix to address the problem. "Boeing will not offer the 737 MAX for certification by the FAA until we have satisfied all requirements for certification of the MAX and its safe return to service," Boeing wrote in the filing. INTENSE SCRUTINY Boeing's aircraft are being subjected to intense scrutiny and testing designed to catch flaws even after a years-long certification process. Two people briefed on the matter told Reuters that an FAA test pilot during a simulator test last week was running scenarios seeking to intentionally activate the MCAS stall-prevention system. During one activation it took an extended period to recover the stabilizer trim system that is used to control the aircraft, the people said. It was not clear if the situation that resulted in an uncommanded dive can be addressed with a software update or if it is a microprocessor issue that will require a hardware replacement. In a separate statement, Boeing said addressing the new problem would remove a potential source of uncommanded movement by the plane's stabilizer. A hardware fix could add new delays to the plane's return to service. The FAA also said on Wednesday that it continues "to evaluate Boeing's software modification to the MCAS and we are still developing necessary training requirements. We also are responding to recommendations received from the Technical Advisory Board. The TAB is an independent review panel we have asked to review our work regarding 737 Max return to service." American Airlines Group Inc and Southwest Airlines Co earlier canceled flights through early September as a result of the grounding. On Wednesday, United Airlines said it also was removing MAX flights from its schedule through Sept. 3. (Reporting by David Shepardson in Washington; Additional reporting by Eric M. Johnson in Seattle; Writing by Tracy Rucinski; Editing by Phil Berlowitz and Matthew Lewis) -- © Copyright Reuters 2019-06-24 Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking Thailand news and visa info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robblok Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 This is going to cost Boeing a lot, they should have come clean a long time ago but decided to hide it at the cost of lives. They deserve all they get, wish some criminal trials were held too to make sure that those who decided these things would face justice too. Not just a fine. So much for American high standards, seem to be on par with a lot of other countries hiding stuff to save money. I used to have a high opinion bout Boeing and the US regards to safety, this made a big dent in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 I’d like to know what form of root cause analysis the investigators are employing. Multiple flaws and failures speak to to systematic problems. The rush to place flawed aircraft into service speaks to a management problem. A bit more transparency would be welcome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Oh boy... This may lead to other models of boeing planes being scrutinised for covered up design flaws. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candide Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 From what I understand the software was needed because of an initial flaw. Installing bigger engines on the 737 frame made it unstable, hence the need for a software correcting this problem. Airplane that are originally stable shouldn't need a stabilising software. Or am I wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
legend49 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Airbus is smiling. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newnative Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 lemon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grumpy 4680 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 After all the problems I've had on my computer after microsoft updates, I doubt very much that I would ever want to fly again, if aircraft are so reliant on computer systems, its time they had an ON/OFF switch, so that Pilots could regain control, and do what they are trained and paid to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JAG Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 3 hours ago, candide said: From what I understand the software was needed because of an initial flaw. Installing bigger engines on the 737 frame made it unstable, hence the need for a software correcting this problem. Airplane that are originally stable shouldn't need a stabilising software. Or am I wrong? Looked at from another (laymans) angle, if the aircraft is unstable, as a result of fitting bigger engines, then perhaps it should not be allowed to fly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 9 hours ago, rooster59 said: The U.S. Federal Aviation Administration has identified a new risk that Boeing Co must address on its 737 MAX before the grounded jet can return to service, the agency said on Wednesday. So it takes two crashes before the FAA does it’s job properly. Great. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpy Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 '' stall-prevention system '' all airliners have them , known as Captain and Co-pilot. Surely the two well paid pilots should be able to fly the aircraft without it stalling ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
car720 Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 8 hours ago, Humpy said: '' stall-prevention system '' all airliners have them , known as Captain and Co-pilot. Surely the two well paid pilots should be able to fly the aircraft without it stalling ! Yes. Aviate, communicate, navigate. Isn't that the old dogeral? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chomper Higgot Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 19 hours ago, candide said: From what I understand the software was needed because of an initial flaw. Installing bigger engines on the 737 frame made it unstable, hence the need for a software correcting this problem. Airplane that are originally stable shouldn't need a stabilising software. Or am I wrong? A general principle of automated safety (as applied to this aircraft flaw) is fix the problem by passive means before considering an automated safety solution. The aircraft frame/engine configuration was and remains inherently unstable. Somebody needs to to answer the question ‘on what basis was that allowed to remain the case?’. Be assured, it was not a design engineer who signed off on that. This has all the signs of money over safety, such decisions lay with management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 Quote Boeing has been storing some of its undelivered 737 Max jets in an employee car park. The beleaguered planemaker said the move was part of its “inventory-management plan”, according to Business Insider. Footage taken by Seattle news station KING-TV shows a number of Tui aircraft parked alongside cars at the company’s Renton facility in Washington, US https://www.independent.co.uk/travel/news-and-advice/boeing-planes-737-max-jet-car-park-storage-aircraft-a8973726.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted June 29, 2019 Share Posted June 29, 2019 22 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Be assured, it was not a design engineer who signed off on that. That's what you get when companies are run by "Bean Counters" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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