Trump says immigrants 'unhappy' with detention centers should stay home

[ratcatcher]

17 minutes ago, Mansell said:

There are vast areas in many states in the west completely empty.

And empty for a very good reason. There's nothing to do there. It is National Park Land or reserve land. There would be nothing for these people to do. They would all move to the cities.

[expatfromwyoming]

29 minutes ago, Mansell said:

America could absorb millions more. There are vast areas in many states in the west completely empty. Very sad looking at all the comments on here with absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate than you. Be careful how you denigrate other people as you may find yourself in your next lifetime in poverty and fleeing from violence like they are now. Pray tell what are they supposed to do with themselves and their families when they are hungry and terrified of being murdered? Most people on here this time around have been given a pretty easy life with opportunities etc in the west world. The Christian idea is to help those less fortunate than you and have some compassion.

"Are there no poor houses?" a quote from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Shame on you with no caring for the less fortunate. Shame on you.

“One thing you can't hide - is when you're crippled inside.”
― John Lennon

[Thomas J]

14 hours ago, Tug said:

Sad group on this thread sorry I’m not into abusing unfortunat people caging kids squandering 750$ a head per night one guy on this thread stayed the homeless would dream of living in thease conditions wow rather trolling or delusional just pathec

 I am not sure where your lack of common sense comes from but its obvious you have become accomplished and dedicated to it.  If these "illegals" don't like their conditions they are free to leave at any time.  They get shelter, food, clothing, and medicare care. You sound as if, because it is not the Ritz Carlton, Ruth Chris Steaks, Prada Clothing, and the Mayo Clinic that somehow they are being "abused"  Would you really go to a hotel, and have them give you a room, a meal, and take care of your needs for free and then complain that you did not get the penthouse and steak and lobster? 

[Thomas J]

34 minutes ago, expatfromwyoming said:

America could absorb millions more. There are vast areas in many states in the west completely empty

Yes there are vast areas in the USA.  There are also vast areas in Mexico, Brazil, Africa, and the middle east. The issue is not whether you cant shoehorn in more people into the USA, the issue is that the USA can not afford more people who are not self-supporting.  The USA has more immigrants already than any country on earth. We certainly would welcome those who apply legally and bring a skill such as Medical, Engineering, Computer & Web Design, Electricians, Plumbers, etc. We already have enough people who are either so illiterate or unskilled that they require the working Americans to support them. 

[riclag]

Surely walking thousands of miles to be held captive for 1 month is obviously better than staying in their own country, risking what they call suffering ,torment and life endangerment!

Seems to me they have  three choices  1. Staying 2. claiming asylum in the first country they enter! 3. walking thousands of miles,through all sorts of inhumanity to enter a country illegally ,give themselves up,claiming asylum to be rewarded with facing 3 squares,roof and medical attention and after 1 month they are brought in front of a judge to be given a continuance ,they are given money and a bus ticket to anywhere USA!

[riclag]

2 minutes ago, riclag said:

Surely walking thousands of miles to be held captive for 1 month is obviously better than staying in their own country, risking what they call suffering ,torment and life endangerment!

Seems to me they have  three choices  1. Staying 2. claiming asylum in the first country they enter! 3. walking thousands of miles,through all sorts of inhumanity to enter a country illegally ,give themselves up,claiming asylum to be rewarded with facing 3 squares,roof and medical attention and after 1 month they are brought in front of a judge to be given a continuance ,they are given money and a bus ticket to anywhere USA!

How many people from other countries beside the triangle are joining in,last check over 50!

https://nypost.com/2019/04/09/immigrants-from-50-countries-illegally-entering-us-border-patrol-official/

Sad!

[Hanaguma]

The biggest problem is that asylum status/refugee status was never meant to be a shortcut to immigration. It is meant to be a temporary solution until the refugee/asylum seekers' home country is stabilized and safe to return to. Unfortunately, the standards for seeking asylum have been watered down to the point that they are effectively meaningless. 

 

People who wish to immigrate to the US are free to do so by applying at their local American consular facility. If they are true refugees, they have myriad options to choose from that are more culturally similar- mexico, Argentina, Peru, etc.

 

It's obvious that the vast majority are fake, and just seeking to disappear into the US and work illegally. That's why it needs to be stopped. The US doesn't need more unskilled workers and labourers- those jobs are drying up as mechaniztion and automation take over more industries.

[helpisgood]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

 I am not sure where your lack of common sense comes from but its obvious you have become accomplished and dedicated to it.  If these "illegals" don't like their conditions they are free to leave at any time.  They get shelter, food, clothing, and medicare care. You sound as if, because it is not the Ritz Carlton, Ruth Chris Steaks, Prada Clothing, and the Mayo Clinic that somehow they are being "abused"  Would you really go to a hotel, and have them give you a room, a meal, and take care of your needs for free and then complain that you did not get the penthouse and steak and lobster? 

 

First of all, the media has exposed these detention centers as treating fellow humans at a level far below the decency that the USA can afford.  How about instead of that silly Red Square parade Trump put on, spending that money on, e.g., getting a kid a toothbrush. 

 

Secondly, and in light of the horrendous conditions that these detainees are subject to, stating that the detainees have dubious complaints that they are not getting five-star hospitality is an obvious false dichotomy.   

Edited July 5, 2019 by helpisgood

[mike324]

As much as I dislike Trump, I got to agree with him on this one. Obama tried to ease the problem by converting stadiums into detention centers. But unfortunately the amount of illegal entering is at a record level and border agents and facilities are not ready to handle the amount of people.

[Isaan sailor]

Ironic that it took us over a year to get my Thai wife a visa for America.  Meanwhile, millions from Central America simply walked across the border.  And they expect full support—free healthcare, welfare, driving licenses, etc.  Liberals created this mess.

[Thainesss]

28 minutes ago, helpisgood said:

 

First of all, the media has exposed these detention centers as treating fellow humans at a level far below the decency that the USA can afford.  How about instead of that silly Red Square parade Trump put on, spending that money on, e.g., getting a kid a toothbrush. 

 

Secondly, and in light of the horrendous conditions that these detainees are subject to, stating that the detainees have dubious complaints that they are not getting five-star hospitality is an obvious false dichotomy.   

 

The USA spends hundreds of billions of dollars on illegal immigrants and it’s still not enough according to this one. 

 

And LOL “horrendous” conditions. They are getting more care and support than millions of actual citizens. 

[jany123]

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

The Mexican government said it was busing home Central American migrants from Ciudad Juarez who had been forced to wait in Mexico for their asylum claims to be processed under a U.S. policy known as “Remain in Mexico.”

So.... the US policy of “remain in Mexico” looks like a failure then, as this is whom Mexico is deporting from Mexico.

 

sounds like grounds to mount yet another appeal against the US for mishandling of refugees, or as a minimum, the grounds to review the policy

[Alan Michael]

19 hours ago, ratcatcher said:

He's right, the U.S. Government is not running a resort chain on the southern border. Most of these migrant detention centers are providing better conditions than most homeless U.S. citizens can only dream about.  

Instead of welcoming the world, Obama's detention centers could have been avoided if he was stronger on keeping the border safe.

[Alan Michael]

4 hours ago, Mansell said:

America could absorb millions more. There are vast areas in many states in the west completely empty. Very sad looking at all the comments on here with absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate than you. Be careful how you denigrate other people as you may find yourself in your next lifetime in poverty and fleeing from violence like they are now. Pray tell what are they supposed to do with themselves and their families when they are hungry and terrified of being murdered? Most people on here this time around have been given a pretty easy life with opportunities etc in the west world. The Christian idea is to help those less fortunate than you and have some compassion.

"Are there no poor houses?" a quote from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Shame on you with no caring for the less fortunate. Shame on you.

There are also many areas in Arabia, Africa, the Russian steps, China that have empty lands <removed>

[mike324]

10 minutes ago, Alan Michael said:

Instead of welcoming the world, Obama's detention centers could have been avoided if he was stronger on keeping the border safe.

Well with the Secure Fence Act, hundreds of miles of walls was built during Obamas term. I say its not anybodys fault with the large influx of illegals entering the US. It is what it is, its the same as the situation in Europe.

[attrayant]

 

15 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

They are getting more care and support than millions of actual citizens. 

 

 

Actual citizens have access to soap and toothpaste.  Children of actual citizens don't draw pictures of themselves locked in cages.  Children of actual citizens aren't going to be scarred for a lifetime because of how they were treated.

 

"When they opened the door, the first thing that ... hit us was a smell. It was the smell of sweat, urine and feces," Goza said. "And I heard crinkling to my left and I looked over there and it was a sea of silver … there were young children, boys in there." Goza described a room full of silent children "and they had no expression on their faces, there was no laughing, there was no joking, no talking. I describe them almost like dog cages with people in each of them," she said. "And the silence was just hard to watch, hard to see."

 

 

15 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

LOL “horrendous” conditions.

 

 

 

It's sickening you can laugh at that.

[jany123]

8 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

 

And LOL “horrendous” conditions. They are getting more care and support than millions of actual citizens. 

So MAGA is working well then, with the trump looking after the rights and welfare of millions of Americans?

 

Right?....  “No” you say?

 

And worse... US citizens are treated worse than this (below), you say?

 

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Democratic lawmakers and civil rights activists who have visited migrant detention centers along the border in recent days have described nightmarish conditions marked by overcrowding and inadequate access to food, water and other basic needs.

 

19 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

It’s clear that their human rights were being neglected,”

Mmm.... so... millions of US citizens are treated worse than these migrants.

 

What an embarrassing admission.

 

Tired of winning, yet, you poor buggers who are treated so neglectfully by your elected government? Pathetic really.

[jany123]

19 minutes ago, Alan Michael said:

There are also many areas in Arabia, Africa, the Russian steps, China that have empty lands dolt!

What is/ are “empty lands dolt!”

 

and... can you also identify the security status of these empty land dolts, that you seem to be recommending as alternatives for refugees.

 

maybe use official US travel advisories that discuss regional security, or similar.... that would be a worthwhile addition to the conversation, especially if you wish to support your position.

[Thainesss]

14 minutes ago, attrayant said:

Actual citizens have access to soap and toothpaste.  Children of actual citizens don't draw pictures of themselves locked in cages.  Children of actual citizens aren't going to be scarred for a lifetime because of how they were treated.

 

Weve got millions of actual citizens living in abject poverty and god knows how many that actually don’t have access to soap and toothpaste because there so poor and I don’t see any lib shedding any tears for them. Don’t see any politicians grandstanding over them. 

 

[Ozman52]

21 minutes ago, attrayant said:

hit us was a smell. It was the smell of sweat, urine and feces,"

Have you ever been on a Central American bus on a hot day, or even walked down a crowded city street in South America? 

[attrayant]

Just now, Thainesss said:

Weve got millions of actual citizens living in abject poverty and god knows how many that actually don’t have access to soap and toothpaste because there so poor and I don’t see any lib shedding any tears for them.

 

Which only proves that you're so disconnected and uninterested in humanitarian issues that you're not aware of the massive support systems and social safety nets that have been erected to help such people.

 

Just now, Thainesss said:

Don’t see any politicians grandstanding over them. 

 

 

 

Which should tell you how different the 'Kids in Cages" crisis is from regular, garden-variety poverty.

 

Whenever somebody defends child molesters by saying they don't really hurt the kids they molest, it is rightly pointed out that the harm manifests as a lifetime of emotional scarring.  That's what makes child molestation so monstrous.  How is this any different?

[spidermike007]

Withdrawing funding of many social programs, aimed at improving the quality of life in these desperate Central American countries is not helping to solve the crisis at the border, one iota. It is simply non visionary, and typically stingy on the part of Trump. It is accelerating the flow of desperados to the southern border. Dumb and dumber. 

[mike787]

Trump is correct...USA is NOT responsible to save the world.  They don't like it, stay home, or go to another country.  Heck, come to Thailand.  See how that works out for ya with BJ and his forces hunting you down.  Maybe Thailand immigration will decide to stop with reporting, mandatory 800/400K deposits, and medical coverage for Visa applications.   

[yogi100]

1 hour ago, helpisgood said:

 

First of all, the media has exposed these detention centers as treating fellow humans at a level far below the decency that the USA can afford.  How about instead of that silly Red Square parade Trump put on, spending that money on, e.g., getting a kid a toothbrush. 

 

Secondly, and in light of the horrendous conditions that these detainees are subject to, stating that the detainees have dubious complaints that they are not getting five-star hospitality is an obvious false dichotomy.   

Surely if some kid can travel thousands of miles to the Promised Land that kid is capable of bringing a toothbrush with him.

[Ozman52]

23 minutes ago, attrayant said:

 

Which only proves that you're so disconnected and uninterested in humanitarian issues that you're not aware of the massive support systems and social safety nets that have been erected to help such people.

 

 

 

Which should tell you how different the 'Kids in Cages" crisis is from regular, garden-variety poverty.

 

Whenever somebody defends child molesters by saying they don't really hurt the kids they molest, it is rightly pointed out that the harm manifests as a lifetime of emotional scarring.  That's what makes child molestation so monstrous.  How is this any different?

If a few weeks detention is equivalent to sexual molestation (your claim, not mine) can we expect that they will all turn out to be serial killers, paedophiles, rapists or drug dealers/addicts?

Perhaps it would be safer to deport them now?

[Thainesss]

32 minutes ago, attrayant said:

Which only proves that you're so disconnected and uninterested in humanitarian issues that you're not aware of the massive support systems and social safety nets that have been erected to help such people.

 

And yet we STILL have millions in poverty. Streets lined with tents and people openly crapping in the street like its Mumbai. Weve got millions that have fallen through the cracks and your beloved Democrats are too busy kissing illegal immigrant ass. 

 

It’s very pathetic. 

[rumak]

stuck in the middle again 

 

[attrayant]

51 minutes ago, Thainesss said:

Weve got millions that have fallen through the cracks and your beloved Democrats are too busy kissing illegal immigrant ass. 

 

 

If you think that providing a minimum standard of care for children is 'kissing their ass', then I hope you'll never be in charge of taking care of any children, anywhere.

 

And I see how you keep dragging in the specter of "illegal immigrants" even though that's now what we're talking about at all.

[attrayant]

1 hour ago, Ozman52 said:

If a few weeks detention is equivalent to sexual molestation (your claim, not mine)

 

You're really anxious to distance yourself from that statement, aren't you?  Sorry no can do.  It's going to stick to you until you renounce the atrocities we're discussing.  

 

In any event, what I said was that the outcome (a lifetime of emotional scarring) is likely to be the same.  That's not my finding, it's from the American Academy of Pediatrics, which last week warned of long term trauma faced by immigrant children separated from parents or guardians under the Trump administration’s border policies.

 

And "a few weeks"?  Do you think it has been only a few weeks that this has been going on?  I understand that this phrasing helps put some meat on the bare bones of your argument, but let's try to be honest here. It's not "a few weeks" and we're not talking about "kissing illegal immigrant ass".  

 

 

1 hour ago, Ozman52 said:

can we expect that they will all turn out to be serial killers, paedophiles, rapists or drug dealers/addicts?

Perhaps it would be safer to deport them now?

 

Now you're echoing Trump "they're not sending their best..."    How about we just do the right thing and provide basic care.

[mike787]

3 hours ago, helpisgood said:

 

First of all, the media has exposed these detention centers as treating fellow humans at a level far below the decency that the USA can afford.  How about instead of that silly Red Square parade Trump put on, spending that money on, e.g., getting a kid a toothbrush. 

 

Secondly, and in light of the horrendous conditions that these detainees are subject to, stating that the detainees have dubious complaints that they are not getting five-star hospitality is an obvious false dichotomy.   

Why don't you open your heart, bank account, and door to let all the crying immigrants in?  Are you busy saving a family from poverty?  C'mon now, I can sense your strong burning desire to provide financial assistance.