Trump says immigrants 'unhappy' with detention centers should stay home

[mike787]

3 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

 

Actual citizens have access to soap and toothpaste.  Children of actual citizens don't draw pictures of themselves locked in cages.  Children of actual citizens aren't going to be scarred for a lifetime because of how they were treated.

 

"When they opened the door, the first thing that ... hit us was a smell. It was the smell of sweat, urine and feces," Goza said. "And I heard crinkling to my left and I looked over there and it was a sea of silver … there were young children, boys in there." Goza described a room full of silent children "and they had no expression on their faces, there was no laughing, there was no joking, no talking. I describe them almost like dog cages with people in each of them," she said. "And the silence was just hard to watch, hard to see."

 

 

 

 

It's sickening you can laugh at that.

Are you helping support these immigrants?  How much money and time have you invested into the migrants plight? 

[mike787]

10 hours ago, attrayant said:

 

If you're a 7 year old girl in a cage, how can you not come, or stay home?  You're already in the country.

Why don't you help?  Do you have money, time, connections? Why don't you start a GoFund for her?  

[JDGRUEN]

The plight of these asylum seekers is overstated. The vast majority are economic migrants organized, led and paid by Leftist Groups to destabilize the U.S.

The U S. does more than any country in the intake if legal immigrants. It is not you prerogative to tell U.S. citizens to absorb more dependent illegal aliens. When you become a U.S. citizen it is not your business. So <deleted> - take care of your own country. Invite the migrants to live in your house in your home country.

America could absorb millions more. There are vast areas in many states in the west completely empty. Very sad looking at all the comments on here with absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate than you. Be careful how you denigrate other people as you may find yourself in your next lifetime in poverty and fleeing from violence like they are now. Pray tell what are they supposed to do with themselves and their families when they are hungry and terrified of being murdered? Most people on here this time around have been given a pretty easy life with opportunities etc in the west world. The Christian idea is to help those less fortunate than you and have some compassion.
"Are there no poor houses?" a quote from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Shame on you with no caring for the less fortunate. Shame on you.

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[JDGRUEN]

The detention centers were designed and implemented by Obama and his Administration and ran it for nearly 8 years the same way it is run now

 
First of all, the media has exposed these detention centers as treating fellow humans at a level far below the decency that the USA can afford.  How about instead of that silly Red Square parade Trump put on, spending that money on, e.g., getting a kid a toothbrush. 
 
Secondly, and in light of the horrendous conditions that these detainees are subject to, stating that the detainees have dubious complaints that they are not getting five-star hospitality is an obvious false dichotomy.   

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[JDGRUEN]

Sounds like Success to me

So.... the US policy of “remain in Mexico” looks like a failure then, as this is whom Mexico is deporting from Mexico.
 
sounds like grounds to mount yet another appeal against the US for mishandling of refugees, or as a minimum, the grounds to review the policy

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[JDGRUEN]

Embellishment, Exaggeration and outright false propaganda being spewed by Leftists.. There are many contradictory reports by on sire observers

 

They are getting more care and support than millions of actual citizens. 
 

 
Actual citizens have access to soap and toothpaste.  Children of actual citizens don't draw pictures of themselves locked in cages.  Children of actual citizens aren't going to be scarred for a lifetime because of how they were treated.
 

"When they opened the door, the first thing that ... hit us was a smell. It was the smell of sweat, urine and feces," Goza said. "And I heard crinkling to my left and I looked over there and it was a sea of silver … there were young children, boys in there." Goza described a room full of silent children "and they had no expression on their faces, there was no laughing, there was no joking, no talking. I describe them almost like dog cages with people in each of them," she said. "And the silence was just hard to watch, hard to see."

 
 
 
 
It's sickening you can laugh at that.


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[meand]

On 7/4/2019 at 7:29 PM, ratcatcher said:

He's right, the U.S. Government is not running a resort chain on the southern border. Most of these migrant detention centers are providing better conditions than most homeless U.S. citizens can only dream about.  

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/01/aoc-immigrants-targeted-racist-sexist-posts-border-agent-facebook-group/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d398bbdafe36

 

Let's say you, yourself... just imagine yourself, are an American and running to canada to save your life. 

 

There is a process you would have to go through once you got there. You can't just disappear into lala land. You would need to be housed somewhere. Agreed? 

 

Go ahead and read that article, and tell me if you feel being surrounded by people like that would be fair to you. You had not broken any laws presumably, correct? You simply applied for asylum in another country. You are not a criminal by any means in that situation.  ut even if you were, just read that article and you will get some clue ad to what is happening to innocent people. Not to mention there are contractors in this process profiting off of all of this. 

Edited July 5, 2019 by meand

[atyclb]

i lived in developing latin america for years, am near native spanish fluent, had extensive travel in central and south america. it is very common for people to talk about going to usa. common to hear them inform each other of the us social benefits system, loopholes in entry, and various tactics to help ensure they get there. some view it as a big freebie and some think about goals of hard work. imo economic migrants make up the largest % by far.

 

 

[ratcatcher]

44 minutes ago, meand said:

Let's say you, yourself... just imagine yourself, are an American and running to canada to save your life. 

I'm not sure that most of these people are actually running to the United States to save their lives. Most are economic migrants looking for a better life away from the socialist states in which they live/lived and many are  prepared to enter illegally. I acknowledge that they are leaving shithole countries and many are led by profiteers  who charge exorbitant fees to get them to the border. The whole thing is a tragic mess, but just opening the floodgates is economically impossible to sustain and most Americans will suffer in some way. 

[jany123]

1 hour ago, JDGRUEN said:

Sounds like Success to me

 

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I highlight a failed US policy and you hail it a success. MAGA... where getting bitten on the butt is winning... ????????????

[Sujo]

4 hours ago, Thainesss said:

 

And yet we STILL have millions in poverty. Streets lined with tents and people openly crapping in the street like its Mumbai. Weve got millions that have fallen through the cracks and your beloved Democrats are too busy kissing illegal immigrant ass. 

 

It’s very pathetic. 

Glad to see Trump has addressed that situation by giving the wealthy big tax cuts.

 

So how is he dealing with the homeless crisis?

 

If its the crisis you state then surely he has fixed it after 2 years of controlling both houses.

[Sujo]

Im sure Trump will start prosecuting business that employ illegals to help stem the flow.

Edited July 5, 2019 by Sujo

[jany123]

 

9 hours ago, Denim said:

 

I investigated more. I checked out if there were any surviving hotels in this dump. Booking.com came up with hundreds. The reviews of the hotels were good, staff often friendly and nobody mentioned being mugged.

 

I looked at a lot of youtube videos like these :

 

9 hours ago, Denim said:

I know these are only anecdotal observations and somebody is going to point out how wrong I am and that it is a lot worse than it looks but ..........well what kind of people would rather suffer trying to get to the USA rather than make a go of it at home ?

Maybe your investigation could have included a quick look at any of the multiple travel advisories for the area, instead of utube links to hooters (never wasted time... just irrelevant), and you might see what kind of people rather leave than stay, and why.

 

lol... some crazy poster even raised London’s knife crime rate to marginalize Guatemala’s gang activity by comparing it to London’s gang activity... even though Guatemala has one of the highest violent crime rates in the world. Never mind... no cure for crazy

 

crazy... totally crazy... but hey... hooters... it can’t be all bad, right?

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic posts removed.  

[Redline]

Too bad they let his family in

[jany123]

4 hours ago, mike787 said:

Why don't you open your heart, bank account, and door to let all the crying immigrants in?  Are you busy saving a family from poverty?  C'mon now, I can sense your strong burning desire to provide financial assistance.  

 

4 hours ago, mike787 said:

Are you helping support these immigrants?  How much money and time have you invested into the migrants plight? 

 

4 hours ago, mike787 said:

Why don't you help?  Do you have money, time, connections? Why don't you start a GoFund for her?  

If your a taxpayer.... thank you for your contribution of tax dollars to assist supporting migrants. I hope you enjoy many many more happy tax returns in the coming years, wherein you put even more money into the government coffers to fund caring for refugees.

 

If your no longer a tax payer, I wish your immediate and extended family many many happy tax returns from which they will continue to fund immigration.

 

dont worry about the trump.... he ain’t going to help much, being more concerned about giving the rich more money... but you... you taxpayer you (and your family).... a big thumbs up to you, because your tax dollars are hard at work on the southern border, doing what tax’s do.

 

if it really is all about “thoughts and deeds”... the migrants just love you and your deeds... get out there and earn some more dollars next week... or tomorrow even... migrants work weekends, so you can too, in your efforts to provide tax dollars to look after them... that’d be sweet of you

 

Tax’s tax’s tax’s... do what? Support the upholding of the laws of the land. Wow... your almost a “love fest liberal” when you look at it like that... keep up the good work... but....don’t forget to pay your tax’s... them migrants need your tax’s... good chap.

Edited July 5, 2019 by jany123

[Ozman52]

You may have read in a recent post that Guatamala is one of the most dangerous countries in the world, without a link of course, because that is BS.

 

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/most-dangerous-countries/

 

Guatamala ranks 47th of 163 countries listed most dangerous first, Honduras 39th. For perspective, Thailand is 44th.

Those fleeing in dread fear from those countries (no, not Thailand) head to Mexico (22nd) hoping to get to the USA (34th).

 

The alternative theory is they come for the money and quality of life, but mainly the money. Of the top 35 countries average wage (far different from income, what a worker is paid) the US is rated 4th. None of the Central american countries makes the cut, though Mexico scrapes in at 35.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

 

[NokNokJoke]

Those empty spaces out west are empty because there are no jobs, cities, doctors, hospitals, schools, etc.
The few locals generally have left already because of this.


There are equally empty vast spaces south of the border, also.

America could absorb millions more. There are vast areas in many states in the west completely empty. Very sad looking at all the comments on here with absolutely no compassion for the less fortunate than you. Be careful how you denigrate other people as you may find yourself in your next lifetime in poverty and fleeing from violence like they are now. Pray tell what are they supposed to do with themselves and their families when they are hungry and terrified of being murdered? Most people on here this time around have been given a pretty easy life with opportunities etc in the west world. The Christian idea is to help those less fortunate than you and have some compassion.
"Are there no poor houses?" a quote from A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens. Shame on you with no caring for the less fortunate. Shame on you.

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[yogi100]

8 hours ago, meand said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/07/01/aoc-immigrants-targeted-racist-sexist-posts-border-agent-facebook-group/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d398bbdafe36

 

Let's say you, yourself... just imagine yourself, are an American and running to canada to save your life. 

 

There is a process you would have to go through once you got there. You can't just disappear into lala land. You would need to be housed somewhere. Agreed? 

 

Go ahead and read that article, and tell me if you feel being surrounded by people like that would be fair to you. You had not broken any laws presumably, correct? You simply applied for asylum in another country. You are not a criminal by any means in that situation.  ut even if you were, just read that article and you will get some clue ad to what is happening to innocent people. Not to mention there are contractors in this process profiting off of all of this. 

Lots of draft dodgers did go to Canada during the Vietnam War. Not that I'd blame 'em.

 

But did they arrive there with their hands out expecting Canadian tax payers to house, clothe, fund and feed them and then supply them with toothbrushes and other basic toiletries? 

[yogi100]

5 hours ago, Ozman52 said:

You may have read in a recent post that Guatamala is one of the most dangerous countries in the world, without a link of course, because that is BS.

 

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/most-dangerous-countries/

 

Guatamala ranks 47th of 163 countries listed most dangerous first, Honduras 39th. For perspective, Thailand is 44th.

Those fleeing in dread fear from those countries (no, not Thailand) head to Mexico (22nd) hoping to get to the USA (34th).

 

The alternative theory is they come for the money and quality of life, but mainly the money. Of the top 35 countries average wage (far different from income, what a worker is paid) the US is rated 4th. None of the Central american countries makes the cut, though Mexico scrapes in at 35.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_wage

 

I dunno If I read it correctly but that peace index chart posted by Ozman 52 apparently makes Guatemala (2264) safer than the USA (2401).

Edited July 5, 2019 by yogi100

[Credo]

49 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Lots of draft dodgers did go to Canada during the Vietnam War. Not that I'd blame 'em.

 

But did they arrive there with their hands out expecting Canadian tax payers to house, clothe, fund and feed them and then supply them with toothbrushes and other basic toiletries? 

Did Canada arrest them at the border and throw them in detention centers for an indefinite amount of time?   

[yogi100]

2 minutes ago, Credo said:

Did Canada arrest them at the border and throw them in detention centers for an indefinite amount of time?   

Of course not they had no reason to.

 

They were not illegal immigrants and US citizens avoiding getting sent to Vietnam had nothing to do with Canada.

[Credo]

10 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Of course not they had no reason to.

 

They were not illegal immigrants and US citizens avoiding getting sent to Vietnam had nothing to do with Canada.

Oh, really?   How wrong you are.   They were seeking asylum in Canada.   They were just as 'illegal' as any one entering the US and asking for asylum.   Canada granted them as such and agreed not to return them.   

 

[yogi100]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

Oh, really?   How wrong you are.   They were seeking asylum in Canada.   They were just as 'illegal' as any one entering the US and asking for asylum.   Canada granted them as such and agreed not to return them.   

 

Canada did not consider them to be illegal nor were they considered to be certain to be sucking at the public teat.

Canada also was of the opinion that when  the VN conflict was over they'd go back to the US.

 

Canada passed a law in 1969 allowing US immigration into Canada regardless of said immigrants' military status. Thousands of US deserters and draft dodgers took advantage of the offer and went to Canada. They were not put in internment camps.

[yogi100]

2 hours ago, Credo said:

Oh, really?   How wrong you are.   They were seeking asylum in Canada.   They were just as 'illegal' as any one entering the US and asking for asylum.   Canada granted them as such and agreed not to return them.   

 

 

Don't You mean how right I am!

A brief history of Americans moving to Canada | The Star

 

https://www.thestar.com › News › Canada

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9 Mar 2016 - Between 1966 and 1975, almost 240,000 Americans moved to Canada, according to Statistics Canada, almost twice the number as in the previous decade. In 1969, the Canadiangovernment passed a law allowing U.S. immigration regardless of military status, effectively opening the door to door to draft-dodgers and deserters.

[Credo]

3 minutes ago, yogi100 said:

Canada did not consider them to be illegal nor were they considered to be certain to be sucking at the public teat.

Canada also was of the opinion that when  the VN conflict was over they'd go back to the US.

 

Canada passed a law in 1969 allowing US immigration into Canada regardless of said immigrants' military status. Thousands of US deserters and draft dodgers took advantage of the offer and went to Canada. They were not put in internment camps.

Canada opened it's doors to both deserters and those evading the draft.   They were given immigrant status and a large number of them remained in Canada permanently.   

The position of those people is the same as those at the Southern Border -- they were seeking asylum.   Canada granted it and a pathway to citizenship.   

 

Those at the Southern Border are, for the most part, seeking asylum and until their claim is denied, they are asylees.   That is a legal definition and position.   

 

[yogi100]

1 minute ago, Credo said:

Canada opened it's doors to both deserters and those evading the draft.   They were given immigrant status and a large number of them remained in Canada permanently.   

The position of those people is the same as those at the Southern Border -- they were seeking asylum.   Canada granted it and a pathway to citizenship.   

 

Those at the Southern Border are, for the most part, seeking asylum and until their claim is denied, they are asylees.   That is a legal definition and position.   

 

Immigrants are not asylum seekers. Millions of Britons left the UK after WW2 and moved to the Dominions.

 

They were no more seeking asylum that were those Americans who migrated to Canada during the conflict.

[Ozman52]

3 minutes ago, Credo said:

Those at the Southern Border are, for the most part, seeking asylum and until their claim is denied, they are asylees.   That is a legal definition and position.   

Actually they are claiming that they are seeking asylum, and in most cases those claims are clearly false or are hardly appropriate.  

[Credo]

1 minute ago, yogi100 said:

Immigrants are not asylum seekers. Millions of Britons left the UK after WW2 and moved to the Dominions.

 

They were no more seeking asylum that were those Americans who migrated to Canada during the conflict.

This is off-topic, but I'll try to explain it to you once more.   They left the US and sought asylum.   Canada allowed them to remain AND gave them immigrant status.   Any Asylee in the US moves from an Asylee to a Refugee to an immigrant and then to a citizen.   You do not remain a refugee throughout your life.   

[yogi100]

12 minutes ago, Credo said:

Canada opened it's doors to both deserters and those evading the draft.   They were given immigrant status and a large number of them remained in Canada permanently.   

The position of those people is the same as those at the Southern Border -- they were seeking asylum.   Canada granted it and a pathway to citizenship.   

 

Those at the Southern Border are, for the most part, seeking asylum and until their claim is denied, they are asylees.   That is a legal definition and position.   

 

CANADA'S RECEPTION OF US DRAFT DODGERS AND ... - Dialnet

 

https://dialnet.unirioja.es/descarga/articulo/275630.pdf

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by JJ Cruz - ‎2002 - ‎Related articles

draft-dodgers (primarily of middle- and middle-upper class backgrounds) and ... KEY WORDS: USA, Vietnam War, Canada, draft-dodgers and deserters

 

They (the D Dodgers) were classed as immigrants, you just said so yourself!

Those at the Southern Border are classed as asylum seekers because they are seeking asylum. You just said that yourself also.

 

Canada passed a law permitting US immigration int Canada in 1969. That law said nothing about granting asylum.

Edited July 6, 2019 by yogi100