Opposition MPs push for Prayut's disqualification as Cabinet member

[BobBKK]

Just now, Bluespunk said:

No, I described protests as that. 

 

Thise back in 2013 were exercising their right to protest. 

 

And you claimed I said a coup was not coming. You have yet to quote a post where I did so. 

 

Back up your claim. 

Just a slight deviation to the theme. Many in 2013 were paid to protest and it was very heavily funded. I knew people who went and under the lunch box was 500 a day.

[hotchilli]

18 hours ago, snoop1130 said:

Meanwhile, the Election Commission (EC) said it had received a similar petition earlier against Prayut taking over as PM, but chose not to forward it to the Constitutional Court, saying it had already approved the nomination by Phalang Pracharat Party and that his status was valid according to the charter and related laws. 

 

Expect something similar to happen again... the EC and constitutional court are  in the juntas back pocket!

[rkidlad]

16 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The poster was backsliding on his false claims regarding myself. 

Ah, did he claim your post made any sense? 

[sjaak327]

Please quote the post where I said a coup was not going to happen.
 
The post you are talking about referred to protests, not the coup.
 
I never supported suthep, but I do support the rights of people to protest. 

I do support people's right to protest too. However they lost that right when they demanded power to be handed to them for their reforns before election nonsense. When they later proceeded to disrupt elections they deserved their right to a fair trial. As they broke the law.

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[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, rkidlad said:

Ah, did he claim your post made any sense? 

Why not read thread he used to misrepresent my posts. 

[Bluespunk]

2 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

I do support people's right to protest too. However they lost that right when they demanded power to be handed to them for their reforns before election nonsense. When they later proceeded to disrupt elections they deserved their right to a fair trial. As they broke the law.

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I understand your sentiment there, but how does that relate to anything I said in my post?

Edited July 6, 2019 by Bluespunk

[sjaak327]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

And how does that relate to anything I said in my post?

It relates to your remark about people's right to protest. The demand for power to be transferred to them came at an early stage in the game. 

 

That word is not written by accident, as it was FROM the beginning a coordinated attempt to instigate a coup. It wasn't a true protest, at least not from the perspective of the main organizers. Many people fell for it, let's just say that those people weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer...

Edited July 6, 2019 by sjaak327

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, sjaak327 said:

It relates to your remark about people's right to protest. The demand for power to be transferred to them came at an early stage in the game. 

 

That word is not written by accident, as it was FROM the beginning a coordinated attempt to instigate a coup. It wasn't a true protest, at least not from the perspective of the main organizers. Many people fell for it, let's just say that those people weren't the sharpest knives in the drawer...

I support people’s right to protest, always have, always will. 

 

I disagree it was from the start an attempt to stage a coup. 

 

I never supported suthep and his behaviour. 

 

I never said a coup was not coming as claimed. 

[pornprong]

28 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Please quote the post where I said a coup was not going to happen.

 

The post you are talking about referred to protests, not the coup.

 

I never supported suthep, but I do support the rights of people to protest. 

And the purpose of the protests was what?

Do tell.

What do you think the purpose of the 2013/2014 protests was?

 

Was it a group of concerned citizens exercising their democratic rights with intentions to respect other citizens democratic rights.......or was it a politicised mob making the opening move of a coup?

 

To claim it was the former rather than the latter, as you did, is evidence if extreme naivety which of course then subsequently calls into question your views regarding the current tactics of the current opposition.

Edited July 6, 2019 by pornprong

[sjaak327]

1 minute ago, Bluespunk said:

I support people’s right to protest, always have, always will. 

 

I disagree it was from the start an attempt to stage a coup. 

 

I never supported suthep and his behaviour. 

 

I never said a coup was not coming as claimed. 

Yes you disagree a lot, must be nice ignoring facts you don't like. Suthep bloody admitted to it for crying out loud. How can someone be this blind I wonder ? 

 

Living in lala land. Amazing !

[Bluespunk]

Just now, pornprong said:

And the purpose of the protests was what?

Do tell.

What do you think the purpose of the 2013/2014 protests was?

 

Was it a group of concerned citizens exercising their democratic rights with intentions to respect other citizens democratic rights.......or was it a paid mob making the opening move of a coup?

 

To claim it was the former rather than the latter, as you did, is evidence if extreme naivety which of course then subsequently calls into question your views regarding the current tactics of the current opposition.

why not post a link to the entire thread and let’s all see your claims about what I said for what they are? 

[pornprong]

2 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I support people’s right to protest, always have, always will. 

 

I disagree it was from the start an attempt to stage a coup. 

 

I never supported suthep and his behaviour. 

 

I never said a coup was not coming as claimed. 

More naivety / lack of understanding.

 

By mid-2012, DP leaders, frustrated with the party’s impotence in the lower house, decided on a new course of extra-par- liamentary pressure.46 Throughout 2012 and 2013, disparate anti-Thaksin groups attempted to reorganise, but without recapturing their earlier numbers and zeal. In August 2013, DP representatives met several times with leaders of the PAD and an offshoot called “People’s Army to Overthrow the Thaksin Regime” to discuss possible cooperation against Yingluck.47 By the end of September, a reconstituted anti- Thaksin coalition had committed to a street campaign. The moment to launch this fight soon presented itself. The DP sponsored protests against the amnesty bill, beginning on 31 October with rallies near party headquarters. The protesters adopted the whistle and colours of the national flag as their symbols. Protests swelled through the first week of November.

[Bluespunk]

Just now, sjaak327 said:

Yes you disagree a lot, must be nice ignoring facts you don't like. Suthep bloody admitted to it for crying out loud. How can someone be this blind I wonder ? 

 

Living in lala land. Amazing !

I never said I agreed with what suthep did and I never said a coup was not coming. 

 

The right to protest however is one that cannot be denied. 

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, pornprong said:

More naivety / lack of understanding.

 

By mid-2012, DP leaders, frustrated with the party’s impotence in the lower house, decided on a new course of extra-par- liamentary pressure.46 Throughout 2012 and 2013, disparate anti-Thaksin groups attempted to reorganise, but without recapturing their earlier numbers and zeal. In August 2013, DP representatives met several times with leaders of the PAD and an offshoot called “People’s Army to Overthrow the Thaksin Regime” to discuss possible cooperation against Yingluck.47 By the end of September, a reconstituted anti- Thaksin coalition had committed to a street campaign. The moment to launch this fight soon presented itself. The DP sponsored protests against the amnesty bill, beginning on 31 October with rallies near party headquarters. The protesters adopted the whistle and colours of the national flag as their symbols. Protests swelled through the first week of November.

What has that, wherever it is from, got to do with your claims about what I said?

[TKDfella]

2 hours ago, Ej2562 said:

So many of you here on this site seems to think the Taksin, yes, i said Taksin because he was giving directions to his sister and her party all along.  He influenced the election very heavily.  You keep referring to the current administration as, the Junta.  Time you stop that because there has been a general election to select a Prime Minister.  So please stop seeing the current administration as, the Junta. Would you have rather have all the wrong doings going on by the past administration or prefer a change.  I am sure you know that all the requests being made, are at the request of Taksin.

Open your eyes.

 

 

The NCPO will be dissolved when a new government is formed...and unless you hadn't noticed, that hasn't happened yet (NCPO PM says sometime this month). Technically the army Generals, therefore junta, are still in charge. It is not incorrect, or disparaging, to call system what it is and that definition has nothing to do with any previous political situation.

[sjaak327]

3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I never said I agreed with what suthep did and I never said a coup was not coming. 

 

The right to protest however is one that cannot be denied. 

I never claimed neither of the two statements, my remark was directed at your statement that the protest organized by Suthep were not an attempt to instigate a coup, they most definitely were, and Suthep openly admitted to it. 

 

Again, the right to protest stops the minute those protestors become disruptive, such as demanding power be handed to them, or openly preventing people from exercising their right to vote. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by sjaak327

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, sjaak327 said:

I never claimed neither of the two statements, my remark was directed at your statement that the protest organized by Suthep were not an attempt to instigate a coup, they most definitely were, and Suthep openly admitted to it. 

 

Again, the right to protest stops the minute those protestors become disruptive, such as demanding power be handed to them, or openly preventing people from exercising the right to vote. 

I don’t believe those initially protesting, I assume the poster (who has failed to provide a link to the thread he is apparently quoting), is talking about the initial protests-assume being the key word, so I could be wrong- were attempting to bring about a coup. 

 

What happened later with sutheps actions I did not support. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Bluespunk

[FarFlungFalang]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

The right to protest however is one that cannot be denied. 

The right to protest has been denied in Thailand for the past 5 years and still is if I'm not mistaken.

[Bluespunk]

5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

The right to protest has been denied in Thailand for the past 5 years and still is if I'm not mistaken.

My views on the junta have been clear from the start. 

[FarFlungFalang]

7 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

My views on the junta have been clear from the start. 

Agreed,just taking the piss out of your statement,sorry just my pedantisism(new word)taking hold of my brain.I blame my mother for that.No harm intended.I actually admire the tenacity of your defence it's admirable. 

Edited July 6, 2019 by FarFlungFalang
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[Eligius]

27 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t believe those initially protesting, I assume the poster (who has failed to provide a link to the thread he is apparently quoting), is talking about the initial protests-assume being the key word, so I could be wrong- were attempting to bring about a coup. 

 

What happened later with sutheps actions I did not support. 

As I remember it, the first few days of the protests in BKK were against the Amnesty Bill - and then within a week Suthep jumped onto the bandwagon and started demanding 'reform before election' and all the anti-democractic nonsense of wanting to destroy the Yingluck government. I think some sincere but naive people (I knew some of them, and thought they were so unbelievably naive) who initially supported the anti-Amnesty protest did not realise that the whole thing was staged by hidden forces to smash Yingluck's government and destroy democracy in Thailand once and for all.

That has now happened.

Unless the Thais ...

 

Edited July 6, 2019 by Eligius

[FarFlungFalang]

4 minutes ago, Eligius said:

Unless the Thais ...

sacrifice themselves on the bloodied alter of Thai freedom.

[Eligius]

Just now, FarFlungFalang said:

sacrifice themselves on the bloodied alter of Thai freedom.

It is so very sad, isn't it - the situation in which the poor Thais now find themselves?

My heart goes out to them.

[FarFlungFalang]

10 minutes ago, Eligius said:

It is so very sad, isn't it - the situation in which the poor Thais now find themselves?

My heart goes out to them.

It is indeed sad and I agree that it is the only option to achieve real change,but with the population so preoccupied with their phones it seems it will be all but impossible to achieve unless the young learn enough about what they are missing out on.

[Eric Loh]

Judging from the definition of a state official, opposition bloc does have a case. He indeed was a state official.

 

“An official is someone who holds an office (function or mandate, regardless whether it carries an actual working space with it) in an organization or government and participates in the exercise of authority, (either their own or that of their superior and/or employer, public or legally private) instead as adjective is agreed to or arranged by people in positions of authority,^[1]is synonymous, among others, with approved, certified, recognized, endorsed, legitimate”.

 

Not too sure how the constitution court will interpret the law. They have been quite mystifying in some notable cases. 

[Lenny Jones]

Amazing! - So many posts about the General's can being rattled!

 

And WHERE in al this is his Number one supporter STEVEN?

 

This whole thing is a shambles!.  The General's very existence is threatened.  Tic Toc say's he's had enough (or collected enough).  Thousands of generals are waiting in the wings for their turn at the trough.  Red Bull Brat is still floating around free.  A drunk killer in a Merc walks after throwing money. Tourists visiting via Phuket are being kicked out.

 

Where are you STEVEN ?

[pornprong]

51 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I don’t believe those initially protesting, I assume the poster (who has failed to provide a link to the tread he is apparently quoting), is talking about the initial protests-assume being the key word- attempting to bring about a coup. 

 

What happened later with sutheps actions I did not support. 

Those initially protesting.....in the protests that began outside the Democrat Party headquarters and were organised by a  coalition of groups that included the PAD - leaders of the 2006 and 2008 protests and another group going by the thoroughly democratic name "Peoples Army to overthrow the Thaksin Regime" who had been meeting to formulate their plan to remove the elected government using extra parliamentary measures for several months?

 

Hahaha.

 

BTW - your post asking "what coup?" was written on December 15th - some 2 months after the protests began, over a month since the amnesty bill had been completely withdrawn, some weeks after parliament had been dissolved and an election had been called, .......initially doesn't really apply here. Your response was to a post by Binjalin praising Yingluck for so far withstanding the coup attempt......yet you......What coup?

 

More wisdom below

 

Going to disagree with you on your interpretation of a coup. Occupying buildings is disruptive and not something I would advocate, but it is not a coup. The BIB do need reform and starting again is not that bad an idea, but again hardly a coup. Suthep's loony ideas and rants aside, there was no attempted coup. Civil protest, civil disobedience, calls for a new leadership which followed the law are all irritating to PT but they are not a coup.

- Bluespunk

Edited July 6, 2019 by pornprong

[Eligius]

4 minutes ago, Lenny Jones said:

Amazing! - So many posts about the General's can being rattled!

 

And WHERE in al this is his Number one supporter STEVEN?

 

This whole thing is a shambles!.  The General's very existence is threatened.  Tic Toc say's he's had enough (or collected enough).  Thousands of generals are waiting in the wings for their turn at the trough.  Red Bull Brat is still floating around free.  A drunk killer in a Merc walks after throwing money. Tourists visiting via Phuket are being kicked out.

 

Where are you STEVEN ?

Don't worry, Lenny: I am sure we can depend on dear Steven to post a fabulous photo of the Generalissimo, backed up by some fulsome praise of his hero!

[FarFlungFalang]

39 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Judging from the definition of a state official, opposition bloc does have a case. He indeed was a state official.

 

“An official is someone who holds an office (function or mandate, regardless whether it carries an actual working space with it) in an organization or government and participates in the exercise of authority, (either their own or that of their superior and/or employer, public or legally private) instead as adjective is agreed to or arranged by people in positions of authority,^[1]is synonymous, among others, with approved, certified, recognized, endorsed, legitimate”.

 

Not too sure how the constitution court will interpret the law. They have been quite mystifying in some notable cases. 

Oh that's just the official(pun intended)and globally accepted version and totally not applicable here for unverifiable reasons other than we said.Sorry who was it that said you could come in here and start brandishing around logic like it was some globally accepted argument?

[Bluespunk]

56 minutes ago, pornprong said:

Those initially protesting.....in the protests that began outside the Democrat Party headquarters and were organised by a  coalition of groups that included the PAD - leaders of the 2006 and 2008 protests and another group going by the thoroughly democratic name "Peoples Army to overthrow the Thaksin Regime" who had been meeting to formulate their plan to remove the elected government using extra parliamentary measures for several months?

 

Hahaha.

 

BTW - your post asking "what coup?" was written on December 15th - some 2 months after the protests began, over a month since the amnesty bill had been completely withdrawn, some weeks after parliament had been dissolved and an election had been called, .......initially doesn't really apply here. Your response was to a post by Binjalin praising Yingluck for so far withstanding the coup attempt......yet you......What coup?

 

More wisdom below

 

Going to disagree with you on your interpretation of a coup. Occupying buildings is disruptive and not something I would advocate, but it is not a coup. The BIB do need reform and starting again is not that bad an idea, but again hardly a coup. Suthep's loony ideas and rants aside, there was no attempted coup. Civil protest, civil disobedience, calls for a new leadership which followed the law are all irritating to PT but they are not a coup.

- Bluespunk

And still you fail to prove I said there would be no coup.