Popular Post thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 10 hours ago, Mavideol said: Boris doesn't have the authority to leave without a deal, all a punch of BS, parliament voted not allowing a no deal, maybe GE on its way tho and he will lose There is no time or procedure to stop it happening. The default position is to leave on 31st Oct. What parliament did earlier in the year is not applicable now. Even Oliver Letwin, a staunch remainer and who took over parliament has conceded, that he and his quisling friends have no chance of stopping a NO deal Edited July 31, 2019 by thirdleg 4 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2019 10 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Yeah, pesky Eire, how dare they do all they can to protect the Good Friday Agreement. The GFA has nothing to do with Brexit, it's a red herring 3 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 25 minutes ago, thirdleg said: The GFA has nothing to do with Brexit, it's a red herring Wrong. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Loiner said: Deadlines were extended by a Remainer PM. This one won’t. Do you really think EU gives two monkeys about the GFA? I doubt even Dublin is honestly that interested in it. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Strange of you to reply to but not to quote my post, no problem, I spotted it anyway. Your first point, assumption. Your second, A) yes B) you’re wrong. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 15 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Wrong. What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border? A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security. During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries. Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation". The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices." The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat". That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thirdleg said: What does the Good Friday Agreement say about a hard border? A lot less than you might think. The only place in which it alludes to infrastructure at the border is in the section on security. During the Troubles there were heavily fortified army barracks, police stations and watchtowers along the border. They were frequently attacked by Republican paramilitaries. Part of the peace deal involved the UK government agreeing to a process of removing those installations in what became known as "demilitarisation". The agreement states that "the development of a peaceful environment... can and should mean a normalisation of security arrangements and practices." The government committed to "as early a return as possible to normal security arrangements in Northern Ireland, consistent with the level of threat". That included "the removal of security installations". That is as far as the text goes. The Good Friday Agreement is far more complex than brexiteers, such as yourself, would have us believe. Oh, and don’t lecture me about the situation in NI during the troubles. Edited July 31, 2019 by Bluespunk 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Bluespunk said: The Good Friday Agreement is far more complex than brexiteers, such as yourself, would have us believe. Can you read? That is taken from the GFA and is all it has to say about borders. Nothing else whatsoever. It's just used a tactic from remoaners to garner support 3 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, thirdleg said: Can you read? That is taken from the GFA and is all it has to say about borders. Nothing else whatsoever. It's just used a tactic from remoaners to garner support The Good Friday Agreement is about much more than borders. Why not read it. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agreement Edited July 31, 2019 by Bluespunk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: The Good Friday Agreement is about much more than the interpretations you choose to give it. Why not read it. https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/the-belfast-agreement I've read it and extracted the part about borders. Nothing more, nothing less What more is there to understand in this context regarding Brexit? You are making an issue for the sake of it. 2 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, thirdleg said: I've read it and extracted the part about borders. Nothing more, nothing less What more is there to understand in this context regarding Brexit? You are making an issue for the sake of it. The Good Friday Agreement is about much more than borders. Oh and it was the govt of Eire that moved to protect it from the effects of brexit and raised the issue with every govt of the EU, not me. Edited July 31, 2019 by Bluespunk 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, Bluespunk said: The Good Friday Agreement is about much more than borders. Of course it is but not in context of Brexit. Getting nowhere with this, goodbye 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 Just now, thirdleg said: Of course it is but not in context of Brexit. Getting nowhere with this, goodbye Brexit threatens the whole agreement. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thirdleg Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 3 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Brexit threatens the whole agreement. Utter BS, stop with this ridiculous scaremongering, it's pathetic and extremely tedious trolling 2 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted July 31, 2019 Share Posted July 31, 2019 (edited) 19 minutes ago, thirdleg said: Utter BS, stop with this ridiculous scaremongering, it's pathetic and extremely tedious trolling It’s the reason Eire raised the issue with every govt in the EU to ensure it formed part of the negotiations with the uk. Edited July 31, 2019 by Bluespunk Mixed up my eus and uks. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Basil B Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 They have just agreed to spend £2.1 billion on plans for Boris's "one million to one" long shot... That's about £100 for every household in the UK, more ferry contracts for friends of friends who would not know Port from Starboard.???? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HHTel Posted August 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2019 14 hours ago, Mavideol said: Boris doesn't have the authority to leave without a deal, all a punch of BS, parliament voted not allowing a no deal, maybe GE on its way tho and he will lose Quote There are only three ways no deal can be prevented on October 31. Either parliament approves a Brexit deal; or the UK and EU agree an extension; or the government revokes Article 50 altogether. If none of these three things happens, then the legal default is no deal and Britain slides off the cliff edge. 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post nahkit Posted August 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2019 6 hours ago, Bluespunk said: The uk parliament has not agreed to that. The UK parliament didn't agree to the deal that included the backstop either but you conveniently ignore that, 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evadgib Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 Chancellor announces billions to turbo-charge no deal preparations 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluespunk Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 1 hour ago, nahkit said: The UK parliament didn't agree to the deal that included the backstop either but you conveniently ignore that, Nope, the poster I quoted was happy to accept parliament rejecting mays deal but doesn’t seem to accept it rejecting a no deal.. I was exploring this apparent contradiction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post HHTel Posted August 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2019 People think that as parliament rejected a no deal scenario that it can't happen. If there is no extension and an agreement hasn't been reached by Oct 31st, then the UK will crash out without a deal by default and parliament can do nothing about it. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolboy Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 9 minutes ago, HHTel said: People think that as parliament rejected a no deal scenario that it can't happen. If there is no extension and an agreement hasn't been reached by Oct 31st, then the UK will crash out without a deal by default and parliament can do nothing about it. Can't the EU postpone the date? Or does it need positive UK acquiescence? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonnyF Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 59 minutes ago, Bluespunk said: Nope, the poster I quoted was happy to accept parliament rejecting mays deal but doesn’t seem to accept it rejecting a no deal.. I was exploring this apparent contradiction. Parliament enacted (with a huge majority) article 50 which stipulates leaving Deal or No deal. Parliament rejected May's deal 3 times by record margins. Hope that clears it up. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sotsira Posted August 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2019 3 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Parliament enacted (with a huge majority) article 50 which stipulates leaving Deal or No deal. Parliament rejected May's deal 3 times by record margins. Hope that clears it up. A slight correction. It was Juncker's deal, May just went there to listen & sign. She doesn't deserve any credit for anything in the last 3 years. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
david555 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 28 minutes ago, bristolboy said: Can't the EU postpone the date? Or does it need positive UK acquiescence? Yes Boris ask to ask ….(humble ...by preference ...lol) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mavideol Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 8 hours ago, Bluespunk said: The uk parliament has not agreed to that. brexiters suffer from short memory loss syndrome 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawadee1947 Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 18 hours ago, snoop1130 said: who I believe are key to this issue of addressing UK concerns about the backstop, They will not learn.... Behavior like little foolish children..... Only EU is the key for your issue, you damned idiot. But your Boris is not brave enough to stand for his demands and meet EU. How pathetic 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baerboxer Posted August 1, 2019 Share Posted August 1, 2019 18 hours ago, Bluespunk said: Yeah, pesky Eire, how dare they do all they can to protect the Good Friday Agreement. It's not just about the GFA. No one apart from the extreme Brexiters, wants a hard border between the UK and Eire in the North of Ireland. Again, those political leaders pushing for a no-deal probably have plans to financially benefit by creating one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Baerboxer Posted August 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2019 33 minutes ago, sawadee1947 said: They will not learn.... Behavior like little foolish children..... Only EU is the key for your issue, you damned idiot. But your Boris is not brave enough to stand for his demands and meet EU. How pathetic I think Boris has been learning from his senior pal the Donald. Show all your cards to the other players, then lie and bluff!! Works for Donny boy!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Loiner Posted August 1, 2019 Popular Post Share Posted August 1, 2019 It's not just about the GFA. No one apart from the extreme Brexiters, wants a hard border between the UK and Eire in the North of Ireland. Again, those political leaders pushing for a no-deal probably have plans to financially benefit by creating one.Wrong. Brexiteers don’t want a border. EU Ireland and Remainers want the threat of one to try and prevent Brexit. Well that threat is not working. Have you ordered those bricks yet?Unlikely to be politicians who benefit, unless they are connected to Irish smugglers. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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