U.S. envoy slams Germany after reluctance on Hormuz mission

[phantomfiddler]

I think that Germany started to lose its love affair with U.S. shortly after Dresden.

[bristolboy]

26 minutes ago, Peasandmash said:

Germany not supporting Israel and instead taking a pro-Iran stance... This is news? These young journalist have never learnt history... and now with Germany going Muslim what can we expect the lovely Germany people to do next? 

Can anyone doubt that you haven't a clue as to Germany's policy towards Israel?

 

Germany designates BDS Israel boycott movement as anti-Semitic

 

BERLIN (Reuters) - The German parliament voted on Friday to condemn as anti-Semitic a movement that calls for economic pressure on Israel to end the occupation of Palestinian land, grant Arab citizens equal rights and recognize the right of return of Palestinian refugees.

In a move welcomed by Israel, a majority of lawmakers in the Bundestag voted in favor of a motion to label the international Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) movement as an entity that uses anti-Semitic tactics to fulfill its political goals.

“The argumentation patterns and methods used by the BDS movement are anti-Semitic,” read the motion submitted by Chancellor Angela Merkel’s conservatives, their Social Democrat coalition partners as well as the Greens and Free Democrats.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-bds-israel/germany-designates-bds-israel-boycott-movement-as-anti-semitic-idUSKCN1SN204

[bristolboy]

2 minutes ago, phantomfiddler said:

I think that Germany started to lose its love affair with U.S. shortly after Dresden.

Another Third Reich nostalgist.

[Emdog]

Heck, I'm an American and in this situation, Iran is in the right. It was Trump who took US out of treaty over nukes, of which Germany was a participant. Iran was in compliance, and all the other signers were satisfied the treaty was meeting it's objective: to keep Iran from developing nukes, full stop.

Donald (and many Americans) not happy with Iran expanding it's power conventionally, I get that. Separate issue. Trumps main negotiating style of bully and bluster may work with contractors and such, but he is now playing in an arena in which he has zero understanding, experience, expertise and that is painfully obvious. He could spend some of his time learning about the real world, but prefers executive time invested in watching Fox News and insulting anyone who doesn't worship him.

[Boon Mee]

Shameful. 

Just another example of the non cooperation America gets because Merkel has OTT TDS. 

[bristolboy]

13 minutes ago, Boon Mee said:

Shameful. 

Just another example of the non cooperation America gets because Merkel has OTT TDS. 

Just like her predecessor, Gerhard Schroder had OTT BDS in relation to the Iraq War?

[thaiguzzi]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

Richard Grenell U.S. Ambassador to Germany attends the "Rally for Equal Rights at the United Nations (Protesting Anti-Israeli Bias)"

I'm sure they would.

Israel owns America.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

He said Germany wanted to ease tensions with Iran and everything should be done to avoid an escalation.

Yep, makes sense.

Germany's power these days is economic, not militaristic.

They learnt from their mistakes 70 odd years ago.

It appears others have'nt.

6 hours ago, webfact said:

"Germany is the biggest economic power in Europe. This success brings global responsibilities."

Which does not involve beating one's chest and shouting lots.

 

[tomacht8]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The US, France and the UK, have protected Germany for a long long time. Recent German governments have taken advantage of this by refusing to meet their NATO defense spending commitments. 

 

The German 'economic miracle" has been funded for years by the main Allies. Time Germany started paying it's own way and perhaps even reimbursing some.

 

What should the war propaganda be?

The US alone could blow up the earth 1000 times. Why then more weapons? There are already more than enough. Trump's barkings has only the purpose of giving his weaponsmiths of mass destruction the money profits.

 

[sawadee1947]

Another American Idiot. 

First cancel the nuclear deal with Iran and then complaining about the outcome. 

Unfortunately you can't fix stupidity. 

And Germany got the balls to say NO to a. Cancellation and b. to say NO to the Hormus thing under US command! 

But they would support if it would be an EU task force. 

[jany123]

7 hours ago, webfact said:

The U.S. ambassador to Germany launched a scathing attack on Chancellor Angela Merkel's government

A scathing attack?

 

Well.... when sir Kim’s private and confidential evaluations of A45 were leaked to the press, the trump refused to deal with him.

 

Sow.....

 

Quid pro quo.... kick this twit out ms Merkel... this is a wonderful opportunity to educate trump on the consequences of his own actions, whilst showing a little bit of European solidarity..... please don’t waste it.

[thaiguzzi]

2 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

The US, France and the UK, have protected Germany for a long long time. Recent German governments have taken advantage of this by refusing to meet their NATO defense spending commitments. 

 

The German 'economic miracle" has been funded for years by the main Allies. Time Germany started paying it's own way and perhaps even reimbursing some.

 

1.  Did Germany ever ask to be protected or was it the Cold War paranoia of Russians taking over the rest of Western Europe?

2. You are joking right? The German economic miracle  was solely down to Germans actually wanting to work hard, not skive off work, not believe crappy left wing unions, have proper young management with foresight, have proper training and apprenticeship schemes which still exist to this day, now bow down to corporate buy outs like the UK did, not follow American ideology of bigger is better, have family run firms that are several generations old, etc etc etc.

I could go on, but i'm already bored.

Basically, the Germans never had integration of companies, think British Steel, British Leyland, corporate foodstuffs etc etc.

Lots of successful small proud companies all pulling in the same direction.

Maybe Britain would be in a better position today if they'd followed Germany's direction rather than selling out and following America's.

[wabothai]

2 hours ago, phantomfiddler said:

I think that Germany started to lose its love affair with U.S. shortly after Dresden.

Ohh please !!

[Atens4]

DT, pull out of a well working agreement, provoking by force and sanktion. Will newer work in the long run. Only diplomatik solutions.Hope he is out in 2020, and we are all more safe. Attack Iran and the whole region will explode.

[wabothai]

The Germans and the rest of Europe have no problem with making the str. of Hormuz a safe strait.

The problem is that most Europeans have a hard time dealing with an unreliable 45.

[soalbundy]

1 hour ago, wabothai said:

Ohh please !!

He's never been the same since John Wayne died

[EVENKEEL]

2 hours ago, wabothai said:

The Germans and the rest of Europe have no problem with making the str. of Hormuz a safe strait.

The problem is that most Europeans have a hard time dealing with an unreliable 45.

Wow no problem eh, please explain their strategy. So far it's Britain and Denmark has signed on. You can bet they'll be calling 45 when it's time to fill up their fuel tanks and take on stores.

[candide]

1 hour ago, EVENKEEL said:

Wow no problem eh, please explain their strategy. So far it's Britain and Denmark has signed on. You can bet they'll be calling 45 when it's time to fill up their fuel tanks and take on stores.

Their strategy is very clear from the start: DT created this mess and they don't want to be dragged into it.

[Scott]

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[Enoon]

17 hours ago, smedly said:

you are taking the piss - right

 

you want me explain about festering sores and who was responsible  over the last 100 years resulting in colossal lost of life, mass extermination and murder on a scale never seen before in all recorded human history - how's that for a festering sore

 

Memo to Smedly:

 

That all came to an end in the ruins of Berlin, the Nuremburg Trials and an intensive de-Nazification programme, ultimately leading to the birth of a great, modern, intensely pacific Democracy....once the German Liberal dream of Friedrich the Third (the three month Emperor) and his British wife (daughter of Queen Victoria) which had almost been entirely snuffed out by his son, Wilhelm the Second, and subsequently by Wilhelms admirer with the toothbrush moustache.

 

The "sore" has long since ceased to "fester".

 

But, like professional beggars, you and so many others keep scratching at it, trying to keep the pus flowing.

 

There are new bad guys on the block now.

 

Try to keep up.

 

(There is life after "The Dambusters", "Sink the Bismark", "The Longest Day" and "A Bridge Too Far")

 

You are living in a very narrow bit of the past.......right?

 

[smedly]

14 minutes ago, Enoon said:

You are living in a very narrow bit of the past.......right?

really - everyone likes to think about Nazi's - yes it wasn't us it was that other crowd who were not German

 

sorry but they were Germans through and through - you can paint it whatever colour you want up to you

 

as for the French - well they get what they are getting right now - they have very short memories 

 

My memory is long

[gunderhill]

18 hours ago, thasoss said:

how i detest the american government.Always interfering in other countries lives.Go and look after your citizens and stop bothering and telling others what to do.Same goes for the UK,a festering sore on the global stage.

yeah  what  have  they ever  done  to  keep  us  free!!!

[Redline]

19 hours ago, thasoss said:

how i detest the american government.Always interfering in other countries lives.Go and look after your citizens and stop bothering and telling others what to do.Same goes for the UK,a festering sore on the global stage.

If it’s not the USA, it will be China.  I wish the Americans stayed out of WWI and WW2.  We lost thousands and thousands of soldiers and spent our valuable resources.  There was no need for us to be involved.  So, where are you from Africa? 

Trump hired this guy, so you know he’s unqualified anyway 

Edited August 1, 2019 by Redline

[Sakeopete]

America has been protecting Europe since the end of WW II. Europe rebuilt itself thanks to the protection it received and financial assistance from America. It also benefited from the open markets where it sold its goods. Trump hating parrots can keep squawking all the like but it doesn't change the fact that Germany has benefited greatly from America. Now that Trump called them out on defense agreements and trade practices they cry about. Ungrateful they are without Americas umbrella Putin would already be building Vodka distilleries in Paris. Oh and please don't mention Europes armies by the time they agree to set a meeting to discuss the Russian tanks rolling across the border then set a date for another meeting to decide who will participate in the defense then set another meeting to let France and Germany fight over who will lead the force Europe will already be a Russian speaking continent. 

[smedly]

there is only one conflict the USA should have stayed away from

 

as for ww1/11 - You had no choice - Japan made sure of that

 

the Germans needed to be stopped - look what they did in Europe and expand across the world 

Edited August 1, 2019 by smedly

[bristolboy]

49 minutes ago, smedly said:

there is only one conflict the USA should have stayed away from

 

as for ww1/11 - You had no choice - Japan made sure of that

 

the Germans needed to be stopped - look what they did in Europe and expand across the world 

They still pose a terrible threat. If you need proof of that, just look at their ingenious plot to underfund their armed services. Obviously, they've learned nothing from their defeats.

[metisdead]

An insulting post and a reply has been removed. 

[soalbundy]

18 hours ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Germany is at Russia's behest or they'll turn the gas off. 

 

The whole of Eastern Europe is under Russian threat.

I doubt that would be the case, they would lose their reputation as a trading partner besides which Germany has more investments in Russia than all the Western nations put together, the shoe would be on the other foot I think.

[soalbundy]

3 hours ago, smedly said:

there is only one conflict the USA should have stayed away from

 

as for ww1/11 - You had no choice - Japan made sure of that

 

the Germans needed to be stopped - look what they did in Europe and expand across the world 

They didn't burn the white house down though.

[tomacht8]

it is already sad. There was a period of détente and disarmament in Europe.

The normal people in the countries reject wars. What do we have now? Total aggression policy. The US weapons producers languish after the next war. Weapons want to be sold and used for profits. Unused weapons lying in the camps bring no profit. The whole maneuver serves only to initiate the next war. For what? The Iranians have kept the nuclear agreement. Even the US intelligence service confirms that. Trump has unilaterally produced the instability with his egomaniacal solo appearances, without speaking with his contract partners up front. And now he pisses his allies on the shoes again. 

[smedly]

3 hours ago, bristolboy said:

They still pose a terrible threat. If you need proof of that, just look at their ingenious plot to underfund their armed services. Obviously, they've learned nothing from their defeats.

They want to turn what was once a peaceful trading block into a military empire - have you been sleeping for years

 

anyway you carry on in your blissful little dream world of harmony and peace - smart people know exactly what man is capable of - there is a well proven formula and documented history of evil deeds - I hope I am not around to experience the next chapter - one thing I am absolutely sure of - it is coming