First of all, I believe that with most highway speeds set at 80-90 kph, it is  a law that has no deterrent factor whatsoever. Most cars travels at 100-125 kph, on a four land divided highway, which is a perfectly safe speed. Of course we ignore the fines. Now, they propose to multiply unpaid fines by five fold? Certainly Prayuth can afford that fine. And most of his ministers. How is the average Issan farmer going to pay for that?

 

Please do not reply with a law and order statement about obeying the speed limit or paying the fine. Some laws are simply made to be broken.

 

The overhead highway heading to Don Muang is set at 80 kph. That is inane. The only reason for that has to be revenue. It has nothing to do with safety. Zero. 

 

And of course this gives the franchisees more opportunity to collect more revenue. You bet. That is what they do. Law and order? Nope. It does not exist here. 

More corruption may not be possible but extorting higher payments is right up their "alley"....

 

 

 

 

Wouldn't it of made more sense to have heavy goods vehicles able to drive on public roads late at night and not during peak commuting times? 

For road safety what can we do about the speeding? Everyone is speeding and they cannot drive very well as they dont have a practical test or hazard perception so the accidents are always driver error because they learn the hard way

Finally what about the air pollution so many will never do their 5k km service etc and never do oil change they have horrible black smoke coming out of their cars and it causes everyone else to suffer for their penny pinching over a 500 baht filter it's insane when will these issue be dealt with? 

2 hours ago, rtco said:

Stupid question ... nothing works in Thailand like it does elsewhere

That's why we're still here...

The saying in English goes something like this. " Dung

does not go uphill"

 

or is it

 

"Dung goes downhill".

 

Corruption is a global endemic "Not" just Thailand!

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by kevinmartyn
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And new fine systems that multiply unpaid sanctions by 5 times would just lead to yet more police corruption. 

 

 What about the immediate dismissal and sanctions for corrupt newbie politicians, including their families? 

Usually, you've got to start at the top and work your way down. Innit?

 

  

"He said that his members don't have enough time to adapt and the changes are too much too soon."

 

They will just make it up as they go.

Same same.

 

"He said his members could not afford up to 5,000 baht fines in these hard economic times."

 

As if farangs can afford them either. 

 

Some countries have no trucks and buses bans on weekends. 

It would be a blessing here to not have hundreds of buses on 3rd road and Beach road every night..

No matter what happen, corruption always exist.

3 hours ago, mikebell said:

Because other countries have an honest police force. 

I don't know what all the fuss is about anyway; Thai police don't work nights; weekends; after four pm; before 9 am; from 11.45 am till 1.15 pm; when it's too hot; raining; Buddha Days; in fact ......

A friend was told recently that if he wants the police to come out at night to his village, it would be 1000 baht to compensate for the fuel and late night..

 

It's a PAYG System. 

Pay

As

You 

Graft.

 

Graft and corruption in Thailand is expensive. 

6 hours ago, CelticBhoy said:

They can't take your license but they can still take your cash  . . . . .  ????

They will have a bit of a problem trying to take my cash, unless they point a gun at my head.

6 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

They will have a bit of a problem trying to take my cash, unless they point a gun at my head.

Hey, don't go giving them any new ideas to get your money

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

Most cars travels at 100-125 kph, on a four land divided highway, which is a perfectly safe speed.

LOL, they can't even control their vehicles at 80, and you're suggesting 120+....

6 hours ago, CelticBhoy said:

They can't take your license but they can still take your cash  . . . . .  ????

That's up to the drivers of the truck if They let themselves be bribed. The mobile can be set to record the conversation with the police .

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by Percy P

5 hours ago, Chang_paarp said:

Because Thailand different.

The people's thinking is different . As said. If you don't do the crime you want pay the fine.Simple.

Really, now even if powerful Thai Federations finger point at Police Corruption....it is quite obvious, that they are also...totally wrong !! ????

Another I'll conceived plan from the master planner.

 

Hilarious corruption so endemic that plans by high ranking officials are scoffed at bc the nation so utterly venal.

 

Looking at his comments about the corruption...

 

Substitute 'new traffic laws' for

TM30.

 

I'll get my hat...

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by Number 6

6 hours ago, webfact said:

New traffic laws will lead to more police corruption and higher charges, says transport chief

The points system is a joke... even with 12 points accumulated it's only a 90 day ban then back on the road.

But just think of the fines the police will be taking to keep points off the license !!!

A very nice daily top-up for the police salary.

6 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

For all the complainers about lack of enforcement and fines too low, your wish is coming true.

Watch out for those red light cameras..

Mai pen drai!!!  Licence no have.....   Plates made of wood  (when I bother)  kids ride the bike mostly and are 10 years old.... and I teach them ride on the otherside of the road so you dont scare us at all... silly farang..

6 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

For all the complainers about lack of enforcement and fines too low, your wish is coming true.

Watch out for those red light cameras..

My wife's son lent my car and a couple of weeks later I received 2 fines for red light jumping in Ubon, but it  was for the same jumping, on phoning the police the luckily cancelled one fine.

Thailand will never change, why should it ....Just give us back a fair baht...and I could'nt care less what happens in this Thunderdome, double the road carnage , drive full throttle on the sidewalks as loud as you can young feller, buy 1000 wristwatches for your fat little wrsit... I am tired of this Drama..Fin

Edited August 28, 20196 yr by mok199

I dont know of many people who take any notice of all these new laws. They come out and disappear the next week   

14 hours ago, webfact said:

Bangkok from 10 am to 3am and 9 pm to 5am. 

Something a bit askew with those times...is the limited time up to 3 or 5 am?

12 hours ago, Classic Ray said:

In enlightened countries tickets are issued by the police but fines are paid to the courts, and forwarded to central government.

 

Polic are awarded an annual budget from these funds. This means there is no incentive to overfine people to increase commission. 

 

Why is this so difficult to implement in Thailand?

Why? Because Thais. 

Some off topic posts have been removed. 

15 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

First of all, I believe that with most highway speeds set at 80-90 kph, it is  a law that has no deterrent factor whatsoever. Most cars travels at 100-125 kph, on a four land divided highway, which is a perfectly safe speed. Of course we ignore the fines. Now, they propose to multiply unpaid fines by five fold? Certainly Prayuth can afford that fine. And most of his ministers. How is the average Issan farmer going to pay for that?

 

Please do not reply with a law and order statement about obeying the speed limit or paying the fine. Some laws are simply made to be broken.

 

The overhead highway heading to Don Muang is set at 80 kph. That is inane. The only reason for that has to be revenue. It has nothing to do with safety. Zero. 

 

And of course this gives the franchisees more opportunity to collect more revenue. You bet. That is what they do. Law and order? Nope. It does not exist here. 

Agreed speed limits are set way too low so revenue can be extracted at any time !

How they dare accusing Law Enforcers of corruption, this word "corruption" should be changed to

"Thai Custom" or "Thai Traditions" instead.

 

 

I prefer cats instead of dogs  because there are no police cats.

21 hours ago, Vacuum said:

And if you can, wouldn't that be corruption?

Perhaps, but in the end making people pay to perform ANY action quickly decreases incidence of such action.

Conversely, making something consequence-free will always increase the incidence of it.

 

Human nature will always find a way.

19 hours ago, hobz said:

So, don't break the law?! I get super confused by statements like these....can someone explain the thought process?

No, nobody not a Thai can explain it. It's a superb example of cultural brain lock.

It makes sense if you are raised to think it does. Isn't religion the same thing?

 

I once had a friend of an RTP officer use the same explanation of why the officer doesn't ticket citizens of the Kingdom for helmet violations.

"They can't afford a fine".

 

18 hours ago, Classic Ray said:

In enlightened countries tickets are issued by the police but fines are paid to the courts, and forwarded to central government.

 

Polic are awarded an annual budget from these funds. This means there is no incentive to overfine people to increase commission. 

 

Why is this so difficult to implement in Thailand?

Well yeah. But the cops in America have found a way around this problem. It's call Civil Asset Forfeiture.

 

They can seize cash, vehicles, or really anything if the even 'suspect' a crime has been involved. And the kicker is that each police department is allowed to keep the resulting profits.

 

The victims can file a claim for compensation but it takes years and is very very seldom successful.

17 hours ago, dallen52 said:

"He said that his members don't have enough time to adapt and the changes are too much too soon."

 

They will just make it up as they go.

Same same.

 

"He said his members could not afford up to 5,000 baht fines in these hard economic times."

 

As if farangs can afford them either. 

 

Some countries have no trucks and buses bans on weekends. 

It would be a blessing here to not have hundreds of buses on 3rd road and Beach road every night..

If no laws exist people will certainly not follow them. When they do  exist some people will follow them. Take your pick.

 

I disagree that fines will not impact this problem.

 

I go miles out of my way to avoid Bangkok traffic at all times. I live south and west of Bangkok and go well west and north around Bangkok and then south again to get to  the east coast of the Gulf. Guess what? It's actually faster than going through Bangkok because the traffic crawls there.

 

Trucks make a total mess of the roads there and are often rude and dangerous bully drivers. Anything that that keeps them off the roads during normal driving hours has to help.

 

I really don't care where the fines go as long as truck traffic decreases.

 

Los Angeles put such laws into effect years ago and it made things at least bearable there.