The "leavers" that can't leave.

[swissie]

Most of the "long-term" Farangs, unhappy with their situation in Thailand are still here.
Probably after they have read all the "fine-print", when it comes to Relocate/Citizenship in an other country. (Outside of their home-country).
After having looked at all the "fine-print", most Farang-Residents in Thailand could not qualify for a permanent residence outside of some impoverished S/E Asian countries. Them tightening "Visa-Rules" in accordance with "Thai-Immigration-Rulings".
In spite of all the increased "visa-pressure", most LT-Farangs are still here, not having re-located to Ecuador. They know why they are still here and not in Ecuador.
Cheers.

[aqua4]

11 minutes ago, swissie said:

They know why they are still here and not in Ecuador.

You:

1. They are poor; OR

2. They like the nightlife;

 

Maybe:

1. The cost of relocating is a pain; (sell house/condo into a soft market)

2. Too old to move and start again;

3. Procrastination and gotten used to the uncertainty;

4. Hoping it changes; (which I doubt)

5. What to do with Thai wife and/or kids; (they are now a liability)

6. Just to lazy to do anything other than moan;

7. Hoping it does not affect them later as they can still wiggle for now.

 

 

[mstevens]

Yep, it's a money issue. Thailand ain't cheap any more but if you want to live like a poor Thai you can get by on precious little....and I suspect rather a few Westerners are in that position. They're stuck.

[Cryingdick]

They continuously run the math and realize it's still the cheapest place to get drunk and screw.  Every three months there is a wishful thinking thread about Mexico or Cambodia that has already been done before. The math is gone through over and over and the conclusion is that Thailand is the best place for the down and out. Another theme is there are better places but if you are already settled in Thailand it is too costly to move. It's a money thing and nothing more.

[Kenny202]

What a nasty lot of people on here. Why would you talk so badly about people you dont even know or that you perceive to have less than you? Who is they and who said "they" havent left for anywhere else? Do you have any numbers or stats to back up this nothing post?

[RichardColeman]

If the Uk would relax financial laws on visas for my wife and child today, I'd be on the 0.01 am flight out tomorrow. And it really annoys me to think that as a UK Brit of 55 years that worked all their life, an unemployed EU citizen can bring their unemployed wife within hours !

[seasia]

"After having looked at all the "fine-print", most Farang-Residents in Thailand could not qualify for a permanent residence outside of some impoverished S/E Asian countries. Them tightening "Visa-Rules" in accordance with "Thai-Immigration-Rulings".

 

I can, plenty of countries to choose from. In one now.

[ezzra]

Some people who wishes to display their displeasures of a situation talk about leaving, As it was when Trump was running for president, many prominent people in the business and entretaiments circles has cried foul and 'threatened' to leave should Trump win, None of them did...

[sunnyboy2018]

2 hours ago, aqua4 said:

You:

1. They are poor; OR

2. They like the nightlife;

 

Maybe:

1. The cost of relocating is a pain; (sell house/condo into a soft market)

2. Too old to move and start again;

3. Procrastination and gotten used to the uncertainty;

4. Hoping it changes; (which I doubt)

5. What to do with Thai wife and/or kids; (they are now a liability)

6. Just to lazy to do anything other than moan;

7. Hoping it does not affect them later as they can still wiggle for now.

 

 

Me. Smart. No Thai wife burden. No brats. No property in Thailand.  All property investments in UK including my london gaff.  Love Thailand but all this bullsh!t is not part of my retirement plan. However foreigners obey the rules they must assume they will be changed endlessly. There is a top down malevolence.  The military and the Sangha keep power and authority..its similar to Saudi Arabia. In 63 every Christian,  jew, non muslim and non saudi was marched over the border and cast out...The house of Saud stay in power, the clerics spread their superstitious nonsense,  the military get big budgets and the majority of the popular live in poverty and ignorance. 

[dimitriv]

1 hour ago, RichardColeman said:

If the Uk would relax financial laws on visas for my wife and child today, I'd be on the 0.01 am flight out tomorrow. And it really annoys me to think that as a UK Brit of 55 years that worked all their life, an unemployed EU citizen can bring their unemployed wife within hours !

 

This is not completely the truth. And what others can you can do yourself too.

 

If I want to marry and live together with a wife from a country not in the EU I have to comply to very strict rules because I live in NL. I need to have enough income, if I am self employed I need to show that I made enough money in the past 3 years. Before my wife would get a visum she needs to follow lessons to learn to speak Dutch, and make a test in the Dutch consulate in her home country.Only after this she will get a visum to travel to me with the goal to live together. 

 

Other countries have rules with are less strict. Belgium and Spain are examples. But as an EU citizen I can use these countries too. I can for example move to Belgium or Spain. Rent a house. Register myself. As a EU citizen I have the right to do this.  My wife can come on a tourist visum. In Spain it's no problem to overstay that visum. If I register her on my address, marry and live together for a year we can both move to NL without problems. Upon arriving in NL I will have to prove that we lived together for a year in an EU country. And she will get her visum to live together.

 

I don't know how this will be for UK residents after Brexit. Probably the right to travel and live/move permanently in EU countries will be restricted. The law that after living together for a year in the EU your wife will get a visum is also an EU law. But at least till now it is something you could use too.

 

The idea that you can do this while being unemployed is of course not so. Although (as far as I know) you do not have to prove that you earn enough money you do need money to pay the rent and other things.  So you need a job, or enough money in the bank.

 

[Puchaiyank]

The poster makes wild generalizations of which he has zero knowledge...just a feeble attempt to provoke emotional responses...this thread should be closed...IMHO   ????

[Kenny202]

1 minute ago, Puchaiyank said:

The poster makes wild generalizations of which he has zero knowledge...just a feeble attempt to provoke emotional responses...this thread should be closed...IMHO   ????

Seconded

[OneMoreFarang]

I like to bring up the question: How much of our wellbeing depend on our surrounding?

 

Lots of people moan all the time and they dream about how much better life would be somewhere else or with other people or other laws or other weather or whatever.

Thailand is not 100% perfect, but I don't know any other place which is perfect and I doubt it exists.

And even very rich people, who can make sure they are exactly in the place they want to be and with the people who they want to be, are often not happy.

 

There are some very basic needs like we need a place to live and to sleep and food and a certain temperature to feel comfortable. And we don't want to fear criminals, wild animals, etc.

Thailand is prefect enough in that sense. And many other places are good enough in that sense. If we want to see problems then sure we will find problems and we can talk about them and be upset about them and we can dream about how wonderful life would be without those problems.

 

Or we take it easy and enjoy our life and don't think or moan about all those things which could be better.

[simon43]

5 hours ago, ezzra said:

Some people who wishes to display their displeasures of a situation talk about leaving, As it was when Trump was running for president, many prominent people in the business and entretaiments circles has cried foul and 'threatened' to leave should Trump win, None of them did...

I left 2 weeks ago ????

[Pharoticus]

5 hours ago, Kenny202 said:

Seconded

A sad attempt at trolling by a loser who probably thinks living in Thailand is the pinnacle of achievement.   

[NCC1701A]

why do people project their own circumstance and assume it applies to everyone?

 

a person always talking about leaving and not acting is a sign of depression.

 

 

 

 

[atyclb]

18 hours ago, Pharoticus said:

living in Thailand is the pinnacle of achievement.   

 

ROFLMAO

[justin case]

On 8/30/2019 at 4:31 AM, RichardColeman said:

If the Uk would relax financial laws on visas for my wife and child today, I'd be on the 0.01 am flight out tomorrow. And it really annoys me to think that as a UK Brit of 55 years that worked all their life, an unemployed EU citizen can bring their unemployed wife within hours !

an illegal in EU can bring not only his whole family, but also grandparents, uncles and aunts, they never have to work one day and get everything for free...

 

compare that to thailand:  you have to prove you have money and nothing is giving, quite the opposite... more bullcrap every day/week/month...

.

[atyclb]

17 hours ago, NCC1701A said:

why do people project their own circumstance and assume it applies to everyone?

 

a person always talking about leaving and not acting is a sign of depression.

 

 

 

 

not really. more a sign of discontent

[exppenang]

On 8/30/2019 at 8:56 AM, Kenny202 said:

Seconded

Thirded.

[mrmicbkktxl]

23 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I like to bring up the question: How much of our wellbeing depend on our surrounding?

 

Lots of people moan all the time and they dream about how much better life would be somewhere else or with other people or other laws or other weather or whatever.

Thailand is not 100% perfect, but I don't know any other place which is perfect and I doubt it exists.

And even very rich people, who can make sure they are exactly in the place they want to be and with the people who they want to be, are often not happy.

 

There are some very basic needs like we need a place to live and to sleep and food and a certain temperature to feel comfortable. And we don't want to fear criminals, wild animals, etc.

Thailand is prefect enough in that sense. And many other places are good enough in that sense. If we want to see problems then sure we will find problems and we can talk about them and be upset about them and we can dream about how wonderful life would be without those problems.

 

Or we take it easy and enjoy our life and don't think or moan about all those things which could be better.

It's the permanent change of immigration rules what bothers people.Nothing is sure here.One IO tells you go right,the others tells you go left.This is stress,special if you stay long time here and have a family.IF one IO doesn't like your face,you will not get an extension in 1000 years even if you have enough money and complete documents,rules like'up to the IO'are a pain in the ass.I stay in Thailand since 1999 and I get tired of jumping around to get an extension.I would like to leave Thailand,but I have family here so it's not that easy.My wife has education and a decent job with good salary here.She asked me 'What kind of job I can do in Europe'.I told her maybe no job or Mc donalds or in a Thai restaurant.Her answer wasn't that nice

[Kerryd]

Meh - people like to gripe about almost anything.

Old people probably gripe more because they have less to occupy their time.

 

Also, most people who gripe and claim they are moving to (wherever) have no clue what (wherever) is really like and have no desire to actually go there and find out. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence, until you get there and realize it's not better (or a lot worse) than where you were before.

I'm sure if all those people really did move to "wherever" and found it to be oh so much better than here, they'd all be on here non-stop bragging and gloating about it.

 

From the lack of bragging/gloating about having moved somewhere else threads, I'd say most of them were just simply griping to get a load of their chests.

Just yawn and carry on !

[BestB]

Relocating to new country is not sane as moving house.

 

new language, new culture, new everything  , really not as easy as some make it out .

 

even returning back to home country after being away for long time is hard as everything changes and one often feels as an outsider.

[highonthai]

Anyone that just picks up and moves to another country with out spending anytime there first, is just a nutter.

Most likely the same people that sold everything and moved to Thailand because they had the vacation of a lifetime. And then realized everyday is not a holiday here.

Living in Thailand is what you make it. You have to find your place here. Just like you would have to any country.

[Suradit69]

On August 30, 2019 at 4:26 AM, Kenny202 said:

Why would you talk so badly about people you dont even know 

Either the only way they can feel good about themselves is by putting others down OR they're actually describing what they fear for themselves.

 

Most threads on TV either start out as put downs or quickly evolve into them. Put down Thais, Chinese , Muslims, Africans, Indians, elderly, less affluent, ...

 

At least most threads try to give the impression that a question is being asked or some reasonable observation is being made. This thread seems to have started with no other purpose than to defecate on a category of people. 

 

Agree that hat many of the people who complain constantly are probably unhappy about the situation they created for themselves and want to blame Thais and Thailand' but there are probably many who find themselves in a desperate position. Devoting a thread to making them feel even worse. Is a bit nasty.

 

 

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2019 by Suradit69

[crazykopite]

On 8/30/2019 at 4:31 AM, RichardColeman said:

If the Uk would relax financial laws on visas for my wife and child today, I'd be on the 0.01 am flight out tomorrow. And it really annoys me to think that as a UK Brit of 55 years that worked all their life, an unemployed EU citizen can bring their unemployed wife within hours !

Not for much longer as of 1st November that won’t be the case

[crazykopite]

Next on my bucket list is to buy a wide beam and sale the waterways of Europe just need to sell my beach villa and separate apartment if anyone’s interested and has 25 million baht pm me

[Neeranam]

On 8/30/2019 at 2:51 AM, aqua4 said:

5. What to do with Thai wife and/or kids; (they are now a liability)

Unbelievable. I assume and hope you have neither of these.

My wife and kids are most certainly not a liability. They are the joy of my life and help me to live here in my ways. If moving  they would also be an asset.

[TKDfella]

Oh gee, as I've mentioned before, we are all different, have different levels of tolerance and so on. Sometimes it is just a question of what one has 'invested' both physically and mentally and the values placed on these.

[bkk6060]

5 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

Unbelievable. I assume and hope you have neither of these.

My wife and kids are most certainly not a liability. They are the joy of my life and help me to live here in my ways. If moving  they would also be an asset.

Glad you have the right attitude.

 

But, what the post refers to has been true at least on here.

So many saying "if I did not have a family here I would leave¨.

It actually has been the most common theme excuse for those who feel they are forced to stay.