5 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you see any sign, even a tiny little sign, that the EU changed their mind because of Boris "leverage"?

It is very obvious that Boris dreams about something which is not happening.

 

It's like if you go to 7/11 next door and tell them: From tomorrow on I want my beer for 1/2 of the current price. If you don't give it to me for half the price then I will walk away and never come back. Do you think the 7/11 will be impressed by you? Do you think they will give in because your business is so very important to them? Or is it more likely that soon you will go back to them and ask if they let you in again because the next shop is far away and they also don't give you any special price.

At the same time I seriously doubt that 7/11 would want 14 billion pounds a year from you for shopping there though.

5 minutes ago, Baerboxer said:

 

Corbyn can't call a GE. Only parliament can decide to hold an election before the fixed term finishes. Corbyn could call a vote of no confidence and if he wins Boris would be out and the Tories have 14 days to come up with a new acceptable leader. 

 

Boris called his bluff. Having demanded an election for a long time, Corbyn is actually scared stiff.

The only way Boris can get an election is if he gets Labour to vote for it, he is now a lame duck and Parliament have got him right where they want him,when the new law making leaving the EU without a deal illegal gets the Royal assent he will have to ask the EU for a extension of the 31 October deadline,He has said this will never happen and we will leave on October 31 no if's and buts that means he goes to Brussels or just goes.

Corbyn is now in the driving seat and as long has he behaves and doesn't upset the other party's they can mess up what's left of the Tory party for good, Nigel can scream from the sidelines till he's blue in the face. Rejoice it will be a magical Christmas.

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The self serving MPs from all parties are nothing but sit houses. Corbyn is a weasel. calls for an election all year and is given one an opportunity. Obviously he is scared and knows that the country as so many here like to quote the polls would put the Cons back in and end this farce.

 

More fuel for the Brexit party.

Johnson has played this so badly.  Blair pointed out that the calling of a snap election was a trap and not to fall for it.  Amazingly Corbyn (finally) realised that and refused to endorse the GE until no-deal was off the table.  Along with the other parties.  When I say Johnson has played this badly I mean Cummings of course.

 

Farage has raised his head above the parapet but with no-deal in the bin and if he sticks to his word (????) then he would have to field candidates for the GE in all areas where they can muster one.  He said he would only hold back if Johnson promised a no-deal position. OOPS!

 

So many twists and turns and nobody knows where all this is going to end up.  I have ran out of popcorn now, just as it gets really entertaining.

20 minutes ago, beautifulthailand99 said:

Oh yes thanks Danny - Boris is to lazy even to have a plan - he hired Cumming's as his brain - that's going well isn't it !

it was going great when all he had to do is brainwash a bunch of brain dead potential Brexiteers. No chance against a cabal of European mandarins. However he still managed to pull a stunt last night.

 

Ginger Kinnock, son of Ginger Kinnock tabled an amendment to the bill to bring Labour's long dead deal back to the table. It had no chance of passing, but Cummings, who was seen in the lobby, figured that if it passed MPs would be unable to bring a motion for a confirmatory vote during the extension.

 

The vote is taken by all the nays filing through one door and all the yeas filling through the other door. The votes are then counted by 2 tellers stood at each door.  Traditionally tellers from one party man one door and tellers from the other party man the other door. Last night, it was decided that the Tory tellers would man the Nay door.

 

As the division bell rang, Cummings told the 2 Tory tellers to lose themselves. Thus, the nay votes weren't counted, allowing Ginger's amendment to pass unopposed, and preventing the opposition from bringing in a bill for a confirmatory vote. Machiavelli lives!

 

I also strongly suspect that Ginger son of Ginger was in cahoots with the Tories as, on the face of it, the amendment had no legs and no one could understand why he was bringing it. He's also one of the most ardent Brexiteers in the house. Another one that should get the chop.

Trying to take a bit of distance from the present diatribe, I have the following question: providing BoJo was NOT lying when he alluded to the 'backstop' being the only point needing to be rejected in 'the deal' as negociated during TM's 'tenure', ...and that he has not changed 'his' mind about that since, why don't he and his Conservative 'leave' circles come up, now, yesterday, fast, with a credible, original, genuine, 'thinking outside the box' proposal for a different solution to the Irish 'impasse'...? Like, possibly, eventually, in my little person's very humble opinion, proposing a thorough change to the 'linking' of Ulster to the UK, f.i. making it 'independent', a bit like Canada or Australia, where N-I would continue to honour H.M. the Queen as its ruler, and so on, while letting it ...remain in the EU, economically, commercially, financially (even maybe € instead of £), while not integrated into the Irish Republic (or, eventually, ...via a referendum, ...in a couple of generations' time?)? Would sclerotic rancid nationalist and religious extremists be allowed to 'torpedo' such a win-win grand' exit door? ...Is N-I really, in the truth of facts, an 'asset' for the UK, or rather a liability of some size, and the UK could save some £ Billions a year when passing that 'hot potatoe' on to the EU...?

Edited September 5, 20196 yr by bangrak

13 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Trying to take a bit of distance from the present diatribe, I have the following question: providing BoJo was NOT lying when he alluded to the 'backstop' being the only point needing to be rejected in 'the deal' as negociated during TM's 'tenure', ...and that he has not changed 'his' mind about that since, why don't he and his Conservative 'leave' circles come up, now, yesterday, fast, with a credible, original, genuine, 'thinking outside the box' proposal for a different solution to the Irish 'impasse'...? Like, possibly, eventually, in my little person's very humble opinion, proposing a thorough change to the 'linking' of Ulster to the UK, f.i. making it 'independent', a bit like Canada or Australia, where N-I would continue to honour H.M. the Queen as its ruler, and so on, while letting it ...remain in the EU, economically, commercially, financially (even maybe € instead of £), while not integrated into the Irish Republic (or, eventually, ...via a referendum, ...in a couple of generations' time?)? Would sclerotic rancid nationalist and religious extremists be allowed to 'torpedo' such a win-win grand' exit door? ...Is N-I really, in the truth of facts, an 'asset' for the UK, or rather a liability of some size, and the UK could save some £ Billions a year when passing that 'hot potatoe' on to the EU...?

I think that Brexit has morphed into something much bigger than it's original concept.  It was always a political power game and the voters were almost an aside.  What is now obvious to us all is that it is all about one political group (Johnson/Cummings and the ERG) trying to take control of government and therefore also parliament.  It is all to do with winning at all costs and screw the public.

 

It all leaves a very nasty taste but does highlight just how rotten and corrupt our political system has become.  Democracy?  Don't make me laugh.  This has nothing whatsoever to do with democracy.

25 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Trying to take a bit of distance from the present diatribe, I have the following question: providing BoJo was NOT lying when he alluded to the 'backstop' being the only point needing to be rejected in 'the deal' as negociated during TM's 'tenure', ...and that he has not changed 'his' mind about that since, why don't he and his Conservative 'leave' circles come up, now, yesterday, fast, with a credible, original, genuine, 'thinking outside the box' proposal for a different solution to the Irish 'impasse'...? Like, possibly, eventually, in my little person's very humble opinion, proposing a thorough change to the 'linking' of Ulster to the UK, f.i. making it 'independent', a bit like Canada or Australia, where N-I would continue to honour H.M. the Queen as its ruler, and so on, while letting it ...remain in the EU, economically, commercially, financially (even maybe € instead of £), while not integrated into the Irish Republic (or, eventually, ...via a referendum, ...in a couple of generations' time?)? Would sclerotic rancid nationalist and religious extremists be allowed to 'torpedo' such a win-win grand' exit door? ...Is N-I really, in the truth of facts, an 'asset' for the UK, or rather a liability of some size, and the UK could save some £ Billions a year when passing that 'hot potatoe' on to the EU...?

Please condense that into one simple sentence.

You can't!

That means the Brexiters won't understand it even if they would try to understand it.

 

Stay.

Leave.

That's what they "understand". Any more complicated than that and you don't even have to try to explain it to them.

8 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

 

Anyone with any common sense knows that it is all about keeping the UK in the EU.

The first bit of common sense for a long time.

8 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The first bit of common sense for a long time.

I would like Brexit to be cancelled and for Britain to go back to being a real powerhouse on the world stage with a strong economy and a diverse population that thrived. I would like to get back the respect that we once enjoyed and stop being the world's joke.

 

But that isn't going to happen so I can only hope for damage limitation.

Sooner or later there will be a general election which the Tories/Boris will win by a landslide.

Sooner or later there will be a general election which the Tories/Boris will win by a landslide.

Not if it's held after 31 October.

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2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

It seems I also wrote it wrong. I am a EU citizen and not a UK citizen. I think for the future it would be great if the UK and the countries in the EU would still work productive with each other and if people can travel.

I agree with this.

 

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

MPs want to get reelected. And it seems some MPs are willing to do everything to get reelected. I believe most of them are smart enough to know that "just leave" is a very stupid idea. But what should they do if some voters, their voters, somehow have this stupid idea?

We disagree and the MP's are the representatives of their constituents and should do that. not follow their own agendas regardless if they feel it is stupid. The next GE will show this when many of them will be thrown out.

 

2 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Did you listen to what the ERG told Boris? Even if the backstop would be removed they still wouldn't support the current deal.

I did listen and whilst I agree with the ERG that staying in the CU, SM ECJ is not leaving the EU.

 

 

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Johnson has played this so badly

You might be right.

2 hours ago, dunroaming said:

Blair pointed out that the calling of a snap election was a trap and not to fall for it.  Amazingly Corbyn (finally) realised that and refused to endorse the GE until no-deal was off the table.  Along with the other parties.

Corbyn even at the beginning of the week and all last month has been saying he wants a GE and would accept one anytime. Maybe he realises that he would lose.

 

Its not over yet but no matter what happens the desire for many, many people to leave the EU will never leave, so its just a matter of time.

15 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

Sooner or later there will be a general election which the Tories/Boris will win by a landslide.

Johnson desperately needs an election before the 31st October.  That way he can con Farage into believing he will still go for no-deal and get him to not stand against the Tory seats.  After the end of October Johnson will be on the backfoot, big time!

4 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Corbyn even at the beginning of the week and all last month has been saying he wants a GE and would accept one anytime.

De didn't say that he would accept one anytime. Fiction.

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Its not over yet but no matter what happens the desire for many, many people to leave the EU will never leave, so its just a matter of time.

But the majority of the younger generations in the UK want to be part of Europe and the EU.

So there are basically two long term choices:

a) The UK stays in the EU

b) The UK leaves now and sometime later they will join again because all those old Levers die and the young people want the EU

 

 

6 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

But the majority of the younger generations in the UK want to be part of Europe and the EU.

So there are basically two long term choices:

a) The UK stays in the EU

b) The UK leaves now and sometime later they will join again because all those old Levers die and the young people want the EU

 

 

 

Wow, the majority of brexiteers are over 65. Does this mean that I am going to turn into a brexiteer next year. OMG! With a bit of luck, I won't live that long.

Jo Johnson has resigned from the Tory Party!  He says he is torn between family loyalty and national interest.  Well done Jo, at least one Johnson with some moral backbone.

1 minute ago, sanemax said:

name the 'several bexiteers' who have you on ignore but still reply to you.

are was you being economical with the

truth ?

Now, you know me, no names no pack drill. Up to them to put their hands up if they want to.

 

Are was I not being economical with the truth.

3 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I thought I was on ignore too. In fact several brexiteers have told me that I'm on ignore, yet they still reply to my posts. Maybe "ignore" means something different in Brexit world.

Unfortunately a few of the dwindling Brexiteers are still wearing their one size fits all flat cap that they were issued with on the yellow brick road????  

6 hours ago, DannyCarlton said:

Now, you know me, no names no pack drill. Up to them to put their hands up if they want to.

 

Are was I not being economical with the truth.

If you say so , I'm sure that you wouldnt just make things up ...............remainers always tell the truth????

14 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

I thought I was on ignore too. In fact several brexiteers have told me that I'm on ignore, yet they still reply to my posts. Maybe "ignore" means something different in Brexit world.

Lies are trooths in Brexit world. 

7 minutes ago, sanemax said:

name the 'several bexiteers' who have you on ignore but still reply to you.

are was you being economical with the

truth ?

Me but now I forgive him cos I'm a nice remaining type of guy almost fits with the question ????

5 minutes ago, dunroaming said:

Jo Johnson has resigned from the Tory Party!  He says he is torn between family loyalty and national interest.  Well done Jo, at least one Johnson with some moral backbone.

Will BoJo (...DC?) call his brother 'a traitor', call him (ugly, new, childish) names, bar him from attending family meetings, or will the bully he is want to slap him in the face...? ...Or is the family pretty well aware of BoJo being an horrible person for a very long time already? 

Just now, bangrak said:

Will BoJo (...DC?) call his brother 'a traitor', call him (ugly, new, childish) names, bar him from attending family meetings, or will the bully he is want to slap him in the face...? ...Or is the family pretty well aware of BoJo being an horrible person for a very long time already? 

Now his gf should leave him especially with the rumour doing the rounds about a bun in a different oven. And then release the recordings she has been secretly taking as her million pound settlement. 

It has been mentioned that the SNP would be willing to back Boris Johnsons request for a General Election, they seem to believe it would be in their interest for an independent vote. 

Just now, vogie said:

It has been mentioned that the SNP would be willing to back Boris Johnsons request for a General Election, they seem to believe it would be in their interest for an independent vote. 

Still not enough votes under the FTPA - next !

Boris Johnson’s own brother makes the right decision between family loyalty and the good of the nation, and resigns from the Cabinet and as an MP.

 

The crock of Brexit becomes more farcical and ever more toxic.

Edited September 5, 20196 yr by Chomper Higgot

6 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I think currently nobody knows what the future of the UK will be

what about being a big (virus) mess and maybe infecting nearby neighbors

5 minutes ago, bangrak said:

Will BoJo (...DC?) call his brother 'a traitor', call him (ugly, new, childish) names, bar him from attending family meetings, or will the bully he is want to slap him in the face...? ...Or is the family pretty well aware of BoJo being an horrible person for a very long time already? 

There is a reason why he is in politics and does not spend so much time with his children and all those mothers of those children.