UK's worst-case no-deal Brexit plan warns of food shortages, public disorder

[kingdong]

9 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

 

 

As for the old codgers - yet again just google leave vote demographics. It’s all there. 

 

 

 "Old codgers? So it,s safe to assume euthanasia is on the remainer s manifesto? 

[vogie]

34 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

It's pretty hard to see how Brexit isn't going to be kicked down the road yet again...maybe 2 years or forever . 

UK has let a dodgy referendum put democracy in an invidious situation.... Referendums are not an integral part of British democracy and as shown by the last one, they are potentially the tools of dictators, demogogues and despots.

It was advisory and not binding and this is part of the problem. For anyone who still doesn't understand the legal situation regarding the referendum here is the parliament document explaining it to MPs....

Referendums are not an integral part of British democracy and as shown by the last one, they are potentially the tools of dictators, demogogues and despots.

 

You won't be wanting another referendum then as won't all the other leavers who keep rabbiting on about another referendum. I'm glad that's sorted.

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

 

Cameron stated the results would be HONOURED obviously a totally alien concept to the remainers.

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Cameron stated the results would be HONOURED

The question was whether the referendum was binding, not was Cameron said. 

 

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

obviously a totally alien concept to the remainers.

Could it be that respecting laws is a totally alien concept to Brexiteers?

Edited September 14, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Cameron stated the results would be HONOURED obviously a totally alien concept to the remainers.

And resigned immediately the result was announced, because he both didn't want to and couldn't honour the result.

 

Article 50 wasn't invoked because Cameron promised it, it wasn't invoked because "the people had spoken", it was invoked because a majority of MPs had voted to invoke it in parliament.

 

If the majority of MPs had voted not to invoke Article 50, that would have been the end of it, no Brexit. We have a parliamentary democracy in the UK not a people's court.

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, vogie said:

Referendums are not an integral part of British democracy and as shown by the last one, they are potentially the tools of dictators, demogogues and despots.

 

You won't be wanting another referendum then as won't all the other leavers who keep rabbiting on about another referendum. I'm glad that's sorted.

Huh, the opinion of one person is binding for others?

[vogie]

9 hours ago, Bruntoid said:

There are just 27 people there - and you’ve never seen 27 white people in a group together before ? 

 

Ever been to a football match, a swimming gala, a chess night ? Or ANY gathering in Cornwall ? 

 

What exactly is your point - though I admire your bravery as a leaver venturing into the racism field 

And out of 27 people what would be the chance of not one black person, pretty high I would have thought.

Thought for the day: If that had been a photo of the Brexit Party and not the EUs jolly boys outing, I think I would be safe in saying that the remainers would have thought that all their birthdays had come at once, and would now be having a field day.

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Huh, the opinion of one person is binding for others?

Only when it suits. But this is not the just the opinion of one person, remainers are more divided than Jeremy Corbyns Labour Party. ????

So are referendums binding or not?

[wilcopops]

36 minutes ago, vogie said:

Referendums are not an integral part of British democracy and as shown by the last one, they are potentially the tools of dictators, demogogues and despots.

 

You won't be wanting another referendum then as won't all the other leavers who keep rabbiting on about another referendum. I'm glad that's sorted.

I'm wondering if its lack if comprehension or you are deliberately misinterpreting my post? 

[vogie]

1 minute ago, wilcopops said:

I'm wondering if its lack if comprehension or you are deliberately misinterpreting my post? 

Why don't you answer my post instead of deviating?

[wilcopops]

41 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Cameron stated the results would be HONOURED obviously a totally alien concept to the remainers.

Its not a question of "honour" ... Cameron and others made promises they couldn't honour under UK law.

Edited September 14, 2019 by wilcopops

[transam]

Just now, wilcopops said:

Its nit a question of "honour" ... Cameron and others made promises they couldn't honour under UK law.

So why didn't the "Law" say so at the time.....?

[ThaiBunny]

2 minutes ago, wilcopops said:

Its not a question of "honour" ... Cameron and others made promises they couldn't honour under UK law.

You mean unlike every politician in every election campaign ever?

[wilcopops]

44 minutes ago, kingdong said:

 "Old codgers? So it,s safe to assume euthanasia is on the remainer s manifesto

Its not necessary.

[DannyCarlton]

1 minute ago, transam said:

So why didn't the "Law" say so at the time.....?

It did. It's always been the law.

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

6 minutes ago, vogie said:

So are referendums binding or not?

I think it’s posted for the third time now this morning; Does someone have to print it on a red bus for everyone to understand?

[welovesundaysatspace]

12 minutes ago, ThaiBunny said:

You mean unlike every politician in every election campaign ever?

So on top of having laws stating that the referendum would not be binding, people were also very aware that a politician’s promise shouldn’t be trusted? 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2019 by welovesundaysatspace

[wilcopops]

Just now, ThaiBunny said:

You mean unlike every politician in every election campaign ever?

How does that validate the referendum?

[stephenterry]

22 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

Garbage,like this up to 100,000  Indians  (goans)last few years have applied and received Portuguese passports. Now those Portuguese passports have not been used for likes of living in Portugal, but for UK.   "Happy and content" is a phrase used by them there in Swindon.  anyway their wagons are circling,must have had letter from UK authorities that they must go .I could go on about Dutch passport holders from the likes of Mozambique 1000s of 'em  all around Lincolnshire  where the highest Brexit vote was taken  ....are you irish by any chance?

It still doesn't alter the fact that UK Immigration controls who enters the UK Complain to your MP about the laxity of processes, not me.

[transam]

10 minutes ago, DannyCarlton said:

It did. It's always been the law.

It did..?

Can you post a link where the voting populace were told the referendum will not be binding.. ?

Seems strange to me that at the time the mud sling-ers NEVER mentioned it, well I don't recall, perhaps you do, again, can you point me to where we were told. Now I don't want you to post a page from a UK law book, I want where the electorate were told...

[wilcopops]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

a binding referendum on stay or leave,and

Yet there is the opposite in black and white.

 

[welovesundaysatspace]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

It did..?

Can you post a link where the voting populace were told the referendum will not be binding.. ?

Seems strange to me that at the time the mud sling-ers NEVER mentioned it, well I don't recall, perhaps you do, again, can you point me to where we were told. Now I don't want you to post a page from a UK law book, I want where the electorate were told...

Fourth time now this morning. Brexiteers really have difficulties reading (or accepting)...

[wilcopops]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

It did..?

Can you post a link where the voting populace were told the referendum will not be binding.. ?

Seems strange to me that at the time the mud sling-ers NEVER mentioned it, well I don't recall, perhaps you do, again, can you point me to where we were told. Now I don't want you to post a page from a UK law book, I want where the electorate were told...

So yet another example of the populace being misinformed re the referendum and another reason to scrap it?

I assume you understand that ignorance of the law is no defence?

That's law too.

 

 

[wilcopops]

It is amazing that confronted with indisputable factual evidence, Brexiteers still argue to the contrary.

The nation is sick.

[DannyCarlton]

4 minutes ago, transam said:

It did..?

Can you post a link where the voting populace were told the referendum will not be binding.. ?

Seems strange to me that at the time the mud sling-ers NEVER mentioned it, well I don't recall, perhaps you do, again, can you point me to where we were told. Now I don't want you to post a page from a UK law book, I want where the electorate were told...

It's been the law for hundreds of years, ever since the Uk was governed by parliamentary democracy.

 

Better still, you post a link that shows where YOU were told that the law had changed and that the referendum was now binding.

[welovesundaysatspace]

 

1 minute ago, wilcopops said:

I assume you understand that ignorance of the law is no defence?

That's law too.

People who manipulate polls don’t respect laws. 

[stephenterry]

20 hours ago, billd766 said:

 

I would much rather that the UK leaves with a fair deal for both sides.

 

IMHO it won't happen because the previous PM screwed the better deals up over 3 years and the UK was left with little option but a no deal. That was of course before this latest fiasco made entirely by parliament so that Boris has little left to do anything with.

 

May's deal satisfied the 'Leave the EU' criteria as stated on the referendum slip and honoured the vote. That's factual, not fiction, whichever way leavers spin it. The fact that the DUP and rebel ERG tories voted against it is NOT her fault.

 

IMO, she was considering the Best for Britain, which is probably impossible without remaining in the EU.  As it happens I agree that the best option right now is to leave with a deal in place, but under no circumstances should johnson be allowed to crash out on a no-deal basis. 

 

I suggest you complain to your MP. 

[DannyCarlton]

3 minutes ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Fourth time now this morning. Brexiteers really have difficulties reading (or accepting)...

It's important to note that the government could have introduced an amendment to the bill to make the referendum binding. No such amendment was introduced.

[wilcopops]

There is again the same reaction of people confronted with undisputable evidence.

Bereft of any argument they desperately demand citations. All they do is reveal their lack on knowledge of the issue as a whole.

[wilcopops]

22 hours ago, zorrow424 said:

Garbage,like this up to 100,000  Indians  (goans)last few years have applied and received Portuguese passports. Now those Portuguese passports have not been used for likes of living in Portugal, but for UK.   "Happy and content" is a phrase used by them there in Swindon.  anyway their wagons are circling,must have had letter from UK authorities that they must go .I could go on about Dutch passport holders from the likes of Mozambique 1000s of 'em  all around Lincolnshire  where the highest Brexit vote was taken  ....are you irish by any chance?

Ah...a totally fallacious and racist take on Brexit