Phuket Immigration clarifies TM28, 24-hour reporting ‘exceptions’

[Seeall]

1 hour ago, Cobby said:

Another Nail in the coffin

for Thailand and this government 

one day they might wake up

snd realise how much expats contribute to Thai economy 

every day

this list is endless 

me for one will be selling up as soon as I can and leave as do many are 

I feel so sad for the average Thai people who are the ones who always suffer 

But to be honest they voted for this government next time they vote I hope they will vote for the correct reasons 

500 thb?

[Trollmann]

The only Group that have to put 800 000 in the bank before getting visa or extention are in the eyes of thai immigration the most Dangerous foreigners in Thailand. It is really suspesious sure, only criminals retirees have that amount of Money to put in the bank, right?

 

Or maybe there is another reason?

 

I think maybe the true reason for the tracking is because the retired ritch old foreigners thats gets the "ใช้ชิวิตบ้ันปลาย" stamp in their Passport (Translating to "that is living at the end of life"), Immigration and police must keep track of where those People are at all time so they know where to og to pick up their dead bodies after the retired old mans dies of a heart attack or killed driving his scooter! That can also be the reason for the required 90 days (Actually more like 80 days) report, meaning the foreigner says i am still not dead! 

 

I Wonder what will happen to the Money in the bank after the foreigner dies. Does anyone know?

[Kalasin Jo]

I've been spending lots of time in Thailand since 2012 but not full time.

 

First I'd never heard of, nor had my wife,  the TM30 until about a year ago when posts started appearing. I used to be on marriage extensions and nary a word from my I O on renewal. Neither my wife nor I have ever done one, nor yet been fined. 

 

Now the TM 28. Never heard of this one until very recently.

 

Am I supposed to be doing a TM 28 ( what exactly is it anyway? ) every time I leave home for an overnight trip to  another police district then return? Is she supposed to do a TM 30 on my return too?

 

Farcical. Very burdensome. Countering terrorism? My a**e.

 

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[geisha]

Nobody has asked this question yet. If you are a tourist and ask for a 30 day extension on your visa or your Visa Exempt , do you have to present a TM28 notification of address slip of paper that  they staple into your passport ???

[TSF]

It's nothing to do with security. They want the farang that are living long-term in Thailand gone. The recent tightening regulations, the TM reporting and fines caused an uproar, so they had a rethink. It's not in their best interests to p'off the foreign business community, the investors, the skilled workers/specialists, nor the regular tourists/holiday makers. So this is the solution. Leave all them alone but keep hitting the retirees and the married farang until they have had enough and pack it in and leave. This is a clever move and a win for the Thais. If they totally dropped the TM nonsense it would be a loss of face and appear like they were backing down and giving into foreigners' pressure. This way they have pleased the farang they need and want to keep using, but now just focus on the farang they don't need and don't want.

[Trollmann]

10 minutes ago, geisha said:

Nobody has asked this question yet. If you are a tourist and ask for a 30 day extension on your visa or your Visa Exempt , do you have to present a TM28 notification of address slip of paper that  they staple into your passport ???

It is not nessecery for a tourist to ever do a TM28. I tried once a few years ago but the immigration refused, saying tourist dont need to!

[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, geisha said:

Nobody has asked this question yet. If you are a tourist and ask for a 30 day extension on your visa or your Visa Exempt , do you have to present a TM28 notification of address slip of paper that  they staple into your passport ???

Nope, tourists (TR visas, VOA's and visa waivers) are exempt from TM28. They are mentioned in the 1979 director general's list that's referred to in immigration act section 37.

[hotchilli]

8 hours ago, CharlieH said:

TM 29 , coming soon, is reporting your bowel movement.! sorry couldn't resist????

Would that be completed via a download?... couldn't resist either.

[hotchilli]

4 hours ago, thequietman said:

Just to make it a little bit more confusing ............ I have a WP but I am on a Non-O extension .......... what do I do ???? ????

Pray for a competent officer.

[Conno]

Guess what I just just found lol...talk about unbelievable. You know that receipt of notification slip that gets paper-clipped into your passport after you complete your 90 days. The one that notifies you of your next 90 day reporting date. Well I just removed it from my passport and checked the other side of the paper...it has the half image of some Chinese citizen passport photocopied onto it!!! Are they even using old used scrap paper these days for official forms? 

[madmen]

1 hour ago, Kalasin Jo said:

I've been spending lots of time in Thailand since 2012 but not full time.

 

First I'd never heard of, nor had my wife,  the TM30 until about a year ago when posts started appearing. I used to be on marriage extensions and nary a word from my I O on renewal. Neither my wife nor I have ever done one, nor yet been fined. 

 

Now the TM 28. Never heard of this one until very recently.

 

Am I supposed to be doing a TM 28 ( what exactly is it anyway? ) every time I leave home for an overnight trip to  another police district then return? Is she supposed to do a TM 30 on my return too?

 

Farcical. Very burdensome. Countering terrorism? My a**e.

 

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Its nothing short of harassment! I would be Happy to fill out a tm28 if some one could point out one single benefit for national security

[DrTuner]

11 minutes ago, Conno said:

Guess what I just just found lol...talk about unbelievable. You know that receipt of notification slip that gets paper-clipped into your passport after you complete your 90 days. The one that notifies you of your next 90 day reporting date. Well I just removed it from my passport and checked the other side of the paper...it has the half image of some Chinese citizen passport photocopied onto it!!! Are they even using old used scrap paper these days for official forms? 

I see you're new ???? Yes, they have been recycling for at least the 12 years I've been in Thailand, I've gotten passports, bank statements and once even a salary slip (300k for I think it was a Frenchman working in Rayong, not bad dude). Privacy is an unknown concept here. Welcome to Thailaaaan!

[ThomasThBKK]

1 hour ago, DrTuner said:

Nope, tourists (TR visas, VOA's and visa waivers) are exempt from TM28. They are mentioned in the 1979 director general's list that's referred to in immigration act section 37.

 

Wonder how the PE visa is classified for them.... should be tourist visa i guess. But it isn't according to the regulations, it's privilege entry... ?

[Conno]

Yea pretty new...........lol you live and learn.

[DrTuner]

12 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

Wonder how the PE visa is classified for them.... should be tourist visa i guess. But it isn't according to the regulations, it's privilege entry... ?

It's an oddball. There's discussion here: 

 

 

I would guess, which I suppose is as good as any guess, it's post-1979 and hence not included in the exemption list, meaning you're really going to feel "elite" filling those TM28s. I got it as well. 

 

[ThomasThBKK]

3 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

It's an oddball. There's discussion here: 

 

 

I would guess, which I suppose is as good as any guess, it's post-1979 and hence not included in the exemption list, meaning you're really going to feel "elite" filling those TM28s. I got it as well. 

 

Yep but sold as a tourist visa, and i enter thailand on tourism or investment which i mark in the tm6 approritely.

 

I've mailed them half an hour ago to clarify, let's see what non sense excuse i will get this time.

[DrTuner]

5 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Yep but sold as a tourist visa, and i enter thailand on tourism or investment which i mark in the tm6 approritely.

 

I've mailed them half an hour ago to clarify, let's see what non sense excuse i will get this time.

Great, let's see. It might only be their interpretation though, but they do have a liason officer in immigration, let's hope he digs deep.

 

In principle I think it's the immigration act's chapter 34, if you are in (3) Tourism or (7) Investments or activities relating to investments subject to provisions of laws on investment promotion  -> No TM28, if in (15) Other activities as prescribed in the Ministerial Regulations -> TM28 required. Unfortunately it might be open to interpretation that can change at any time.

[jackdd]

14 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

Yep but sold as a tourist visa, and i enter thailand on tourism or investment which i mark in the tm6 approritely.

Imho the right thing to mark would be "others".

With a Thailand Elite visa you are not entering under any of the reasons listed at immigration act section 34, but you are entering under section 17, and thus you are not exempt from TM28.

[ThomasThBKK]

7 minutes ago, jackdd said:

Imho the right thing to mark would be "others".

With a Thailand Elite visa you are not entering under any of the reasons listed at immigration act section 34, but you are entering under section 17, and thus you are not exempt from TM28.

No i enter for bussines/investment, as my investments in thai companies proof or for holidays as my hotel bookings proof.

 

It asks for the "purpose of my visit", and both those are correct and honest answer.

It doesn't ask for the classification of my visa.

 

[Psimbo]

Anyone in PHUKET commenting on this thread- anyone? Nope, didn't think so.

 

How about taking your comments off to the main visa area so Phuket SPECIFIC information can be shared here without all the drivel.

 

Too much to ask I suppose. 

[DrTuner]

6 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

No i enter for bussines/investment, as my investments in thai companies proof or for holidays as my hotel bookings proof.

 

It asks for the "purpose of my visit", and both those are correct and honest answer.

It doesn't ask for the classification of my visa.

This is where it gets muddy, basically MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) created the visa classes to cater for the immigration act section 34, they were fairly 1-to-1 for the reason for granting the visa and reason for entry, but the PE is sort of a multi-purpose pay-as-you-go thingydoo. 

 

It's a result of nobody never really taking a critical look at all of the rules & regs and sorting the mess out. 

[DrTuner]

2 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Anyone in PHUKET commenting on this thread- anyone? Nope, didn't think so.

 

How about taking your comments off to the main visa area so Phuket SPECIFIC information can be shared here without all the drivel.

 

Too much to ask I suppose. 

Actually I think this topic should be in visas & immigration. Just happened to be the Phuket office that made the poster, it's country wide.

[jackdd]

17 minutes ago, Psimbo said:

Anyone in PHUKET commenting on this thread- anyone? Nope, didn't think so.

 

How about taking your comments off to the main visa area so Phuket SPECIFIC information can be shared here without all the drivel.

 

Too much to ask I suppose. 

I'm quite certain that Thailand elite visa holders might also travel to Phuket, so the current discussion is relevant to them.

How about only posting if you have something to contribute to the discussion.

[Pluto56]

I think of a goal, like making us all safer, then I take away reason and accountability which evidently leads to the T28 and the TM30.

[ThomasThBKK]

44 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

This is where it gets muddy, basically MFA (Ministry of Foreign Affairs) created the visa classes to cater for the immigration act section 34, they were fairly 1-to-1 for the reason for granting the visa and reason for entry, but the PE is sort of a multi-purpose pay-as-you-go thingydoo. 

 

It's a result of nobody never really taking a critical look at all of the rules & regs and sorting the mess out. 

 

I got a reply,

according to them we are exempted too now:

 

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Kindly be advised that the PE visa is included, the policy of TM.28 is abolished, therefore, Only TM.30 is required when you change your permanent address, you don't need to report TM.28 any longer.

 

Any further inquiries you may have, please do not hesitate to contact us at your most convenience.

 

Can't post my original mail to them tho, would get deleted because of forum rules ????

[DrTuner]

3 minutes ago, ThomasThBKK said:

I got a reply,

according to them we are exempted too now

Ok, too bad they didn't quote any regulations and orders where exactly it's exempted. So might just be the usual "not enforced" = "exempt". Let's see and wait what the news in the upcoming months bring.

 

EDIT: In case somebody is wondering, "they" are the Thai Elite company that runs the PE visa scheme. 

[ThomasThBKK]

1 minute ago, DrTuner said:

Ok, too bad they didn't quote any regulations and orders where exactly it's exempted. So might just be the usual "not enforced" = "exempt". Let's see and wait what the news in the upcoming months bring.

They included the picture from immigration that is in the first post too, so i assume they talked with someone about that.

 

But yeah wouldn't be the first time i get misleading information, however i don't care as long as i can blame them.

[jackdd]

1 hour ago, ThomasThBKK said:

 

I got a reply,

according to them we are exempted too now:

 

 

Can't post my original mail to them tho, would get deleted because of forum rules ????

Ask them to provide a copy (or the index numbers to look it up on http://www.mratchakitcha.soc.go.th) of the original document by the director general which says PE visa entries are exempt from TM28.

[bearpolar]

5 hours ago, Psimbo said:

Anyone in PHUKET commenting on this thread- anyone? Nope, didn't think so.

 

How about taking your comments off to the main visa area so Phuket SPECIFIC information can be shared here without all the drivel.

 

Too much to ask I suppose. 

You expect people that dont understand the concept of local forums(they use the sidebars out of boredom) to understand this?

[gk10002000]

On ‎9‎/‎16‎/‎2019 at 12:52 AM, POMRAKSIAM said:

So Expats are getting the shaft and still under suspicion of possibly being an "international terrorist" as previously stated concerning alien visitors? Well what a steaming load...

well, just because the notice doesn't mention expats, I would not go overboard just yet.  But it certainly is stupid sounding if they keep this up. I mean expats were vetted once when they got their first retirement visa.