BritManToo Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, MAGA 2020 said: The sky is falling, run for the hills.....donations accepted to combat "climate change" pm for account info It's been really wet in Chiang Mai, all the dams (I cycle past) are full. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4MyEgo Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 7 hours ago, Laza 45 said: 2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before.. Our neighbours on either side of us in rural Thailand who are in their 80's/90's with both of their dwellings raised off the ground as their land is situated below the street level, i.e. old rice fields, (river opposite) said the last time they got flooded, prior to two years ago, was when they were young children. Fortunately for me, I married a Thai woman with a good head on her shoulder, because when we filled in the land to street level, I said that will do honey, with her reply being, a little more honey, suffice to say I liked the sound of that and kept going as I usually do, the rest of the story is history, oh and no, we did not get flooded as the water only came to our gate then pushed back in the direction of the neighbours either side of us who as I mentioned earlier are below the street level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaidream Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 8 hours ago, Laza 45 said: ..2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before.. this year it happened again.. These floods were caused by weather systems coming off the Pacific and South China Sea.. coming over from the Philippines.. These storm systems are getting stronger because of warming sea temperatures.. This whole north east area is drained by the Chi river.. originating in the mountains behind Khon Kaen. I flows to Maha Sarakham... where the Pao river from the huge Lam Pao dam enters with flood waters from our area.. it flows to Roi Et and on to Ubon Ratchathani where it joins the Mun River and flows on into the Mekong River. All these places along this river system have experienced floods 2 years ago and are experiencing huge floods at the moment from these huge storms.. they are likely to get worse as the oceans warm even more. Climate change in action. Climate change deniers .. go stick your heads back in the sand.. do not reply to this.. zero tolerance for ignorance.. A good report=very accurate. I first came to Thailand in 1971 and through the decdes I have seen temperatures rise with higher humidity. There appear to be more tropical storms and more flooding. In the past, I can remember several cool seasons actually being cold and having to wear sweaters. In 2011- I left my house in Pathum Thani by boat, an area that had never floded- Most of the Thai people who are elderly state the weather is different- they can't artulate why but they know the difference is there . People in the wet markets continue to comment on the difficulties in growing certain vegtables and the availability of certain produce. Climate change is real and you don't need to be a scientist to realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 much like erection, and intellect for that matter, sea levels goes up and down through history, but in the later stages of life, you really shouldnt extrapolate and dwell over the ups and downs from personal deterioration into sea levels Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 My wife says never had flooding on farms like the last 3 years. Our district startles Che River valley to the north, and Mun river valley to the south. Her farms to the north. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Isaan sailor Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Global warming quiz: 1. Which country is Earth’s biggest polluter? Hint: their tourists overwhelm Thailand’s best sites. 2. Which country is Earths 2nd biggest polluter? Hint: Think tacos, burritos, enchiladas... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Marie Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 9 hours ago, Laza 45 said: ...2 years ago the river and lake by our house flooded.. part of our house was flooded.. the old people said they had never seen anything like that before.. this year it happened again.. These floods were caused by weather systems coming off the Pacific and South China Sea.. coming over from the Philippines.. These storm systems are getting stronger because of warming sea temperatures.. This whole north east area is drained by the Chi river.. originating in the mountains behind Khon Kaen. I flows to Maha Sarakham... where the Pao river from the huge Lam Pao dam enters with flood waters from our area.. it flows to Roi Et and on to Ubon Ratchathani where it joins the Mun River and flows on into the Mekong River. All these places along this river system have experienced floods 2 years ago and are experiencing huge floods at the moment from these huge storms.. they are likely to get worse as the oceans warm even more. Climate change in action. Climate change deniers .. go stick your heads back in the sand.. do not reply to this.. zero tolerance for ignorance.. Surely the pattern is not the same with the NE Issan. I lived in Phon Charoen, Bueng Kan Province, and although it did not rain so much at the ‘ time, it did enough to quench the rice paddies. The winds and rains seemed to come from the ESE, under the influence of fronts from the Gulf of Bengal and Andaman sea. Whereas indeed the Khon Khean region was badly affected by drought at the same time (Jul-Aug this year) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
allanos Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Catoni said: We just have to be careful of “adjusted” data sets. “Adjusted” graphs and charts. And cherry picked starting points. “It's all about money in the end. Keeping the Gravy Train Running." https://youtu.be/J9Oi7x2OBdI?t=03 AOC’s Chief of Staff Admits the Green New Deal Is Not about Climate Change Representative Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez’s chief of staff Saikat Chakrabarti admitted recently that the true motivation behind introducing the Green New Deal is to overhaul the “entire economy.” “The interesting thing about the Green New Deal, is it wasn’t originally a climate thing at all,” Chakrabarti said to Inslee’s climate director, Sam Ricketts, according to a Washington Post reporter who attended the meeting for a profile published Wednesday. “Do you guys think of it as a climate thing?” Because we really think of it as a how-do-you-change-the-entire-economy thing,” he added. "This Is What Climate Propaganda Looks Like" https://youtu.be/ZGuRUO4Wr2o "Shameless Sea Level Lies At The L.A. Times" https://youtu.be/WenaZWJGTxk "Ten Key Graphs Behind the Climate Change Scam" https://youtu.be/DJFkMm002Rs Denier Land: How Deniers Look at Global Warming https://youtu.be/Uif1NwcUgMU "Australia Weather Bureau Caught Tampering With Climate Numbers" "Climate Change Scientists Caught Tampering With Data to Show Rising Sea Levels " "NOAA And NASA Corrected Historical Temperature Data And Fabricated Temperature Data" "NASA Made Efforts To Discredit Their Own Satellite Data" "NASA Refused To Give Data And Information Requested By The US House Of Representatives Science, Space And Technology Committee" "NASA And NOAA Caught In Climate Data Manipulation" "NASA Dramatically Altered US Temperatures After The Year 2000" "Spectacularly Poor Climate Science At NASA" "NASA/NOAA Mislead, Deceive and Lie About 'Hottest Year' Claim - Concede 2014 NOT "Hottest Year" "Climate Fraud: NASA's Recent Global Warming "Corrections" Equal a +95.0°C Per Century Trend" https://www.google.com/#newwindow=1&q=noaa+nasa+caught ******************************************************** UN Official Admits That Climate Change Used As A Ruse To Control The World's Economy http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/diabolical-lie-called-climate-change-used- un-promote-economic-agenda/un-promote-economic-agenda/ *** "Unequal Distribution of Wealth and Power" Causes Climate Change http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2015/11/un-climate-summit-causes-of- climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/climate-change-unequal-distribution-of-wealth-and-power/ *** U.N. Official Reveals Real Reason Behind Warming Scare - It's Not About Climate Change At All. http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/climate-change-scare-tool-to- destroy-capitalism/ *** Another Climate Alarmist Admits Real Motive Behind Warming Scare http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist- admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/ *** United Nations Official Admits the Purpose of the Global Warming Hoax is to Destroy Capitalism http://lubbockonline.com/interact/blog-post/donald-r-may/2015-02- 27/united-nations-official-admits-purpose-global-warming#.V-nGUOM1HmE Thank you for spending the time, and making the effort, to provide a reasoned, and factual, balance to the often preposterous claims for climate change (once called global warming, until it was shown to be erroneous and the "alarmists" decided to cover their a$$es) featuring an agenda dominated by vested interests. Al Gore, in fact, a dilettante when it comes to climatology, has made a small fortune on the back of his "inconvenient truth" (where the word "truth" is highly questionable). One cannot, however, question his showmanship nor prescient place in being ahead of the bandwagon. Articles by "Delingpole", who writes for Breitbart News, are always worth reading, if only for obtaining a balanced view, and which is almost impossible to find in the mainstream media. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laza 45 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 hours ago, Jean Marie said: Surely the pattern is not the same with the NE Issan. I lived in Phon Charoen, Bueng Kan Province, and although it did not rain so much at the ‘ time, it did enough to quench the rice paddies. The winds and rains seemed to come from the ESE, under the influence of fronts from the Gulf of Bengal and Andaman sea. Whereas indeed the Khon Khean region was badly affected by drought at the same time (Jul-Aug this year) Interesting place you live.. I live south of there .. Kalasin. Yes.. there are 2 monsoon streams that affect our region.. and most of Thailand. As you say the South West monsoon off the Andaman sea.. and the North East monsoon that generally comes from northern Vietnam & Laos.. the North East monsoon originates in the Pacific Ocean and South China Sea.. The South West monsoon has been very weak in our region for the last few years and Khon Kaen and much of the Isaan region has been in drought or near drought because of this weakness.. other places have had a lot of rain from it.. particularly Thailand's west coast but even up as far as Chiang Mai. The typhoons that develop in the stream approaching the Philippines generally approach northern Vietnam and then swing north west into southern China.. or head north to Hong Kong and on to Japan.. occasionally they cross over into north Vietnam and northern Laos and into northern Thailand as the last two big storms did. These storms were huge and we went from drought to floods in a matter of days. This is the pattern that is emerging with the changing weather patterns.. If you are interested in following this .. Ventusky is a good site... it is easy to use once you play with it a bit.. scroll to zoom in and out... left click and hold to change locations.. click on the calendar to change date and look forward.. I have been using it for a few years now and find it to be very accurate.. https://www.ventusky.com/?p=15.86;101.66;6&l=rain-3h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 2 minutes ago, Laza 45 said: Ventusky is a good site Windy.com is a lot better than Ventusky - a lot more accurate as they use much better weather modelling data. Ventusky has good CGI but wildly inaccurate - at least for where I live. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 wow i think i will go over to the gun control topic now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laza 45 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, CGW said: Windy.com is a lot better than Ventusky - a lot more accurate as they use much better weather modelling data. Ventusky has good CGI but wildly inaccurate - at least for where I live. I shall try it.. thank you.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jean Marie Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 38 minutes ago, CGW said: Windy.com is a lot better than Ventusky - a lot more accurate as they use much better weather modelling data. Ventusky has good CGI but wildly inaccurate - at least for where I live. And where might that be where you live ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedo1968 Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 I've only been in farming since 1961 and in many different countries from tropical to desert. I still put my finger in the air each morning and evening and smell the air. Of course I also take note of what is going on around me within nature whether it's for a day or a decade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 11 hours ago, BritManToo said: It's been really wet in Chiang Mai, all the dams (I cycle past) are full. LOL 55555 a few years ago they were complaining that the lakes behind the dams were almost empty... and complaining of drought. If it's too rainy..... it's Climate Change Emergency If it's drought..... it's Climate Change Emergency... If it's too hot... it's Climate Change Emergency If it's too cold.... It's Climate Change Emergency.. The great thing about the Climate Change thing is... no matter what happens... too much rain, too little... too hot... too cold... lots of bad storms... no storms.... Whatever..... you can always claim "Climate Change" Because Climate Change causes EVERYTHING AND ITS OPPOSITE. Storms and hurricanes... Ask the Spanish about storms and hurricanes... They lost lots of ships... whole armadas...and cities on islands in the Caribbean to hurricanes in the Caribbean Sea and around the Philippines in the Pacific.. and an invasion fleet they had planned for England got destroyed by a very horrible violent storm... All that was back in the 1500's... 1600's... 1700's... Blame Climate Change... But what was the atmospheric CO2 level and average temperature back then? Global Warming/Climate Change/ Climate Crisis/Climate Emergency/Climate Disaster... or whatever other name they are calling it... this week.... is the perfect tool to use to demand lots of tax money, and to demand people change their lifestyles... give up their cars, stop flying...return to horse and buggy and sailing ships. Plan on it taking a couple of months to get anywhere else in the world, (wonder how most expats in Thailand and Equador and Malaysia, and Panama and Vietnam and Philippines got to the countries they now live in ? ? By sailboat ? ? ) I predict that you will NEVER see Al Gore, Lenoardo DiCaprio, David Suzuki, Barack Obama or any of the other leftist elites pushing the Climate Change scam change THEIR jet setting multi-mansion lifestyles... (Barack Obama just bought a $14,800,000.00 mansion on the coast of Martha's Vineyard right by the water. So much for him crying about sea level rise.) Sea Level Rise photos. La Jolla, California.... 1871:..about 148 years ago.... https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2c/5b/47/2c5b47b34248fafd909589ea87abc75a.jpg La Jolla, California.... recently, about 148 years later.. Underwater now ? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/090207-LaJollaCove.jpg/1200px-090207-LaJollaCove.jpg ______________________________________________________________________________ Another spot in La Jolla.... 1894.. about 124 years ago..... https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/b7/b2/9d/b7b29d8d98c52c4a8b83947edc4cfe53.jpg Same Spot Recently....Just look at that Devastating Sea Level Rise. Horrors !https://www.facebook.com/lajollahistory/photos/a.10150751175496670/10156964541376670/?type=3&theater (Something fishy about this horrible sea level rise we're all experiencing.....) _______________________________________________________________________________ Liberty Island, New York - 1898https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/86/c7/f086c710cb7572f908c55229b97e4c47.jpg Liberty Island These Days with frightening sea level risehttps://p.motionelements.com/stock-video/architecture-buildings/me1986455-liberty-island-united-states-hd-a0005.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________ Scary Sea Level Rise at Fort Denison, Australia Over the Years. We're Doomed ! https://cairnsnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/fort-dennison-sea-levels.jpg ________________________________________________________________________________ Fort Denison data 'more accurate than satellite' on sea levels https://youtu.be/9mjOmsqIibk "When you pay people to give you a predetermined result that you are looking for, and their jobs depend on it, they are all too likely to tell you what you want to hear." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 15 hours ago, robblok said: Anyone who has to wonder is not really following the news, in my country weather certainly changed. Now people say it changed here too. So I am quite sure weather is changing and becoming more extreme. Its evident. So its not having to wonder its having to wonder how much WE did to cause it and how much is natural. In my area where I'm living now.. (back in my home country of Canada for a while) weather has gotten much LESS extreme. In the Niagara Region in my area we haven't had a devastating tornado since the late 1890's... http://www.ontariostorms.com/specific/stkitts-1898/ and we haven't had a deadly destroying and killing hurricane come up from the Caribbean and hit us since 1954.. (Hurricane Hazel) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hurricane_Hazel .... Haven't had a killing horrible killing freezing deep snow blizzard since 1977. (The White Death.. the Blizzard of '77) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blizzard_of_1977 Our climate here has really gotten kind of nicer.. The farmers are loving it for their crops, Their huge farming operations are doing great... people here in this part of the world are enjoying it. But right now it's getting kind of cool again. Our freezing winter is on its way. Already missing the nice hot summer with all the plants and trees alive and green and colorful flowers... They're all going to die again until next Spring... The world looks dead and white and freezing cold in our winters here. Climate Change.. the cause of everything and its opposite.. We must submit... change our ways... Building Socialism/Marxist-Leninism on a world scale is the only thing that will "Save the Planet" All the comrades must work together and give up their elaborate lifestyle... (except for the elites like Al Gore, Leonardo DiCaprio, Barack Obama and David Suzuki, Greta Thunberg and the rest of those worthy comrades who are better than us) 5555555 ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 12 hours ago, Thaidream said: A good report=very accurate. I first came to Thailand in 1971 and through the decdes I have seen temperatures rise with higher humidity. There appear to be more tropical storms and more flooding. In the past, I can remember several cool seasons actually being cold and having to wear sweaters. In 2011- I left my house in Pathum Thani by boat, an area that had never floded- Most of the Thai people who are elderly state the weather is different- they can't artulate why but they know the difference is there . People in the wet markets continue to comment on the difficulties in growing certain vegtables and the availability of certain produce. Climate change is real and you don't need to be a scientist to realize it. >"Climate change is real and you don't need to be a scientist to realize it." Well of course climate change is real. When was it NOT real. I learned in school that this planet has ALWAYS had climate change. Ever since the planet got water and an atmosphere. I can say that at my home in Canada close to Niagara Falls... that 24,000 years ago there was a massive continent size ice sheet a mile or two thick... covering at least half of North America to a depth of one or two miles.. It was the last Glacial Period.. and it lasted about 85,000 years... Not nice. Oops...oh oh... . climate changed and it started melting back about 20,000 years ago, sea levels rose fast... slowing about 8,000 years ago... (Now sea level rise is rising only about 1mm - 2.5mm per year...if that) ..., the permafrost melted.... The planet warmed up.. Now we have forests, rivers, lakes, farms, cities.... We have our little changes... like the Holocene Climactic Optimum... the Minoan Warm Period, The Roman Warm Period... all separated by colder periods... We had the Medieval Warm Period.. the Little Ice Age. During all those years.... the fact is that mankind and civilization ALWAYS did better and made the greatest advances during the WARMER periods... not the cold periods. Our climate has improved greatly... Adapt to it and enjoy it. If you prefer it colder... there are some great Real Estate deals in little Arctic villages in Canada on the shores of the Arctic Ocean.... or in Alaska there is a nice little place called Barrow... on the north Arctic shore. It might be cool enough for you there. I've heard they even have a movie theatre, bowling alley, and supermarket.. By the way... right now... we are still in an Ice Age. Don't expect it to last forever.... And we are also due for another Glacial Period relatively soon.. Really NOT nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 10 hours ago, allanos said: Thank you for spending the time, and making the effort, to provide a reasoned, and factual, balance to the often preposterous claims for climate change (once called global warming, until it was shown to be erroneous and the "alarmists" decided to cover their a$$es) featuring an agenda dominated by vested interests. Al Gore, in fact, a dilettante when it comes to climatology, has made a small fortune on the back of his "inconvenient truth" (where the word "truth" is highly questionable). One cannot, however, question his showmanship nor prescient place in being ahead of the bandwagon. Articles by "Delingpole", who writes for Breitbart News, are always worth reading, if only for obtaining a balanced view, and which is almost impossible to find in the mainstream media. Hello... You're welcome. My whole point is that climate has always changed... and will always change... no matter what we do or don't do. If we were to disappear tomorrow... climate would continue to change... as long as there is the Sun and as long as this planet has an atmosphere and water. Sometimes climate changes fast.. sometimes slow... sometimes a little... sometimes a lot. Totalitarians who wish to totally turn society upside down and build some sort of all powerful government control over people... and build some sort of Socialist/Fascist/Marxist-Leninist/Communist sytem are using Climate Change as a tool.. a weapon in their arsenal to undermine and bring down western free enterprise capitalist society.... what is left of it. A lot of them have already admitted it.. They are starting to not even bother hiding that fact anymore. More and more often at demonstrations... you are beginning to see the blood red flags.... and sometime the hammer and sickle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NCC1701A Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted September 18, 2019 Share Posted September 18, 2019 28 minutes ago, NCC1701A said: Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions you have to ask yourself, what is driving the hysteria ? is it attention seeking ? issit any money innit getting referenced in an article ? is it human nature to state 'the end is nigh ?' the apocalypse/doomsday/ragnarok, the flood, the ark, the opposite, the reverse. i guess most civilizations & faiths has and had some version of it, it just differ slightly what the doom really is depending on fashion and that particular cult Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavodavo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 On 9/18/2019 at 8:04 AM, jastheace said: and those in power who deny this is real, and say it is perfectly 'natural' should het their f'in heads out of the sand, like now , and come up with solutions. FWIW carbon capture won't work all the time we're digging the pure stuff up from the ground and burning it. easier just to leave it there and get solutions for overall energy demand NOW. ps population trend doesn't help. I have thoughts, but no post able answers...... The theory that climate change is caused by man and that man can change the weather is the greatest huax since the yk2000 bug !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavodavo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 22 hours ago, Catoni said: Watch out for that terrible “Catastrophic Sea Level Rise” Evidence of Horrible Catastrophic Sea Level Rise. POSITIVE PROOF ! ! ! LOL La Jolla, California.... 1871:..about 148 years ago.... https://i.pinimg.com/736x/2c/5b/47/2c5b47b34248fafd909589ea87abc75a.jpg La Jolla, California.... recently, about 148 years later..Is It Underwater? https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/d/da/090207-LaJollaCove.jpg/1200px-090207-LaJollaCove.jpg ___________________________ Another spot in La Jolla.... 1894.. about 124 years ago..... https://i.pinimg.com/600x315/b7/b2/9d/b7b29d8d98c52c4a8b83947edc4cfe53.jpg Same Spot Recently....Devastating Sea Level Rise https://www.facebook.com/lajollahistory/photos/a.10150751175496670/10156964541376670/?type=3&theaterSomething fishy about this horrible sea level rise we're all experiencing..... ______________________________ Liberty Island, New York - 1898 https://i.pinimg.com/736x/f0/86/c7/f086c710cb7572f908c55229b97e4c47.jpg Liberty Island These Days with horrible sea level rise https://p.motionelements.com/stock-video/architecture-buildings/me1986455-liberty-island-united-states-hd-a0005.jpg _______________________________ Scary Sea Level Rise at Fort Denison, Australia Over the Years. We're Doomed ! https://cairnsnews.files.wordpress.com/2016/12/fort-dennison-sea-levels.jpg _________________________ Fort Denison data 'more accurate than satellite' on sea levels https://youtu.be/9mjOmsqIibk "When you pay people to give you a predetermined result that you are looking for, and their jobs depend on it, they are all too likely to tell you what you want to hear." anyone who believes that humans can change the temperature of the earth is a complete idiot.!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 49 minutes ago, wavodavo said: anyone who believes that humans can change the temperature of the earth is a complete idiot.!! There are one or two of the above mentioned about! I read recently that for "us" to warm the oceans by 1 degree would take 35,000 years using all the resources we can employ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wavodavo Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, Catoni said: >"Climate change is real and you don't need to be a scientist to realize it." Well of course climate change is real. When was it NOT real. I learned in school that this planet has ALWAYS had climate change. Ever since the planet got water and an atmosphere. I can say that at my home in Canada close to Niagara Falls... that 24,000 years ago there was a massive continent size ice sheet a mile or two thick... covering at least half of North America to a depth of one or two miles.. It was the last Glacial Period.. and it lasted about 85,000 years... Not nice. Oops...oh oh... . climate changed and it started melting back about 20,000 years ago, sea levels rose fast... slowing about 8,000 years ago... (Now sea level rise is rising only about 1mm - 2.5mm per year...if that) ..., the permafrost melted.... The planet warmed up.. Now we have forests, rivers, lakes, farms, cities.... We have our little changes... like the Holocene Climactic Optimum... the Minoan Warm Period, The Roman Warm Period... all separated by colder periods... We had the Medieval Warm Period.. the Little Ice Age. During all those years.... the fact is that mankind and civilization ALWAYS did better and made the greatest advances during the WARMER periods... not the cold periods. Our climate has improved greatly... Adapt to it and enjoy it. If you prefer it colder... there are some great Real Estate deals in little Arctic villages in Canada on the shores of the Arctic Ocean.... or in Alaska there is a nice little place called Barrow... on the north Arctic shore. It might be cool enough for you there. I've heard they even have a movie theatre, bowling alley, and supermarket.. By the way... right now... we are still in an Ice Age. Don't expect it to last forever.... And we are also due for another Glacial Period relatively soon.. Really NOT nice. you are correct hunreds of years ago they were growing sugar cane and tropical fruits such as papaya and pineapples. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 8 hours ago, NCC1701A said: Wrong Again: 50 Years of Failed Eco-pocalyptic Predictions https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-eco-pocalyptic-predictions Excellent list. Thank you for bringing that information here. It’s also funny how the Chicken Little Alarmists just keep moving the goal posts when their predictions keep failing and failing and failing and failing ad infinitum. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 7 hours ago, brokenbone said: you have to ask yourself, what is driving the hysteria ? is it attention seeking ? issit any money innit getting referenced in an article ? is it human nature to state 'the end is nigh ?' the apocalypse/doomsday/ragnarok, the flood, the ark, the opposite, the reverse. i guess most civilizations & faiths has and had some version of it, it just differ slightly what the doom really is depending on fashion and that particular cult It’s anti-capitalism/anti-Western. It’s Socialism/Marxist-Leninism! Some people call the Global Warming Climate Change Climate Emergency Disaster Alarmists...”Watermellons” On the outside, they’re Green. On the inside, they’re Pinkish Red. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CGW Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 1 hour ago, Catoni said: It’s also funny how the Chicken Little Alarmists just keep moving the goal posts when their predictions keep failing and failing and failing and failing ad infinitum. Aint that the truth! notice how they have gone quiet on here when faced with indisputable facts, probably posting the same <deleted> elsewhere where they wont be challenged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Catoni Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 4 hours ago, CGW said: There are one or two of the above mentioned about! I read recently that for "us" to warm the oceans by 1 degree would take 35,000 years using all the resources we can employ! I think you might be wrong. We could raise the temperature of all the oceans a lot quicker than that. Using all the resources humans have, it would only take about 32,000 years to raise temperature of the oceans by 1 degree. ???????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mserror Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 2014, 2015, 2016 were consecutive global high temperature records. Very high probability that this was caused by man. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017GL074056 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted September 19, 2019 Share Posted September 19, 2019 31 minutes ago, mserror said: 2014, 2015, 2016 were consecutive global high temperature records. Very high probability that this was caused by man. https://agupubs.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/2017GL074056 Central England on Course for it’s 17th Coldest June in 360 Years of Records — Crop Concerns — Grand Solar Minimum https://electroverse.net/central-england-on-course-for-its-17th-coldest-june-in-360-years-of-records-crop-concerns-grand-solar-minimum/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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