Teenager Thunberg angrily tells U.N. climate summit 'you have stolen my dreams'

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/17/2019 at 12:57 AM, bristolboy said:

In the same way that not all geologists publish about tectonic plate theory. 

Sooooo, nobody would claim that there is a 99% consensus among geologists about tectonic plate theory based on published work, would they?

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/17/2019 at 1:43 AM, RideJocky said:

 

Yes, most everyone making a living off publishing global warming agree.

So what percentage of “science” are people making a living publishing global warming papers?

That you guys regurgitate this same lie over and over suggests you actually believe it.

 

IMO they keep saying it because they think if they say it often enough, people will come to believe it.

A man in the last century made a comment about that- “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. "

Oldies will probably recognise who said it.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/17/2019 at 2:41 AM, bristolboy said:

In fact, very few are climatologists. Here's a link to someone who did their own private tally of the qualifications of the cosigners.

"I categorized all 506 signatories according to their self-identified field of expertise. Only 10 identified as climate scientists, and 4 identified as meteorologists... Signatories in totally unrelated academic fields (for example, psychology, philosophy, archaeology, and law) outnumbered climate scientists by two to one."

He goes on to say that the 2 biggest groups were geologists at 19% and engineers at 21%.  

So why should we pay any attention to this petition?

That's like saying a qualified motor mechanic doesn't know how the electrical system works because they are not qualified auto electricians.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/17/2019 at 3:19 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m curious about one thing.

 

You associate environmentalism

and acceptance of the scientific consensus on climate change is being ‘left wing’.

 

I know a number of people who are definitely on the right of the political spectrum but who are also pro environmentalism and accept the scientific consensus on climate change.

 

Why do you associate these issues as the reserve of the left?

Too black and white.

It's possible to be an environmentalist and not be sucked into the, IMO, faux scientific "consensus" propaganda.

Personally I believe in climate change as it has in the past and will in the future, but I doubt we humans can change it, much, if at all.

The planet changes from ice age to hot age and back - it's a natural cycle. Did so before humans existed and will continue to do so after the last human perishes.

Even if we could change climate to something we liked- pleasantly warm everywhere, only rains at night between 2 and 5 am, etc etc, a dirty great meteorite can come along and end us all anyway. Life on planet earth is precarious at the best of times. If we are not dying of diseases, we are killing each other at a great rate in wars.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/17/2019 at 3:19 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

You associate environmentalism

and acceptance of the scientific consensus on climate change is being ‘left wing’.

IMO environmentalism isn't a political movement. It's just being a good occupant of planet earth.

Doesn't everyone want no garbage around?

Pity that so many don't care about throwing their garbage around,

[RideJocky]

I remember being a teenager as well. Seems we knew everything.




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[Denim]

11 hours ago, Forethat said:

I'd say people are getting pretty sick of these so called "climate activists". Today they dragged them to the ground and kicked the <deleted> out of them. 

 

Just saying.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/17/angry-commuters-drag-xr-protesters-off-tube-try-glue-10933003/

 

Very nearly one extinct rebel.

[RickBradford]

It looks like Greta's handlers are beginning to biodegrade as well.

 

They have got Greta, and a handful of other kiddies, one as young as 8, to put in a complaint under the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child, charging countries with not doing enough to prevent climate change.

 

They only cited 5 countries: Germany (which generates 40% of its energy from renewables), France (the second-lowest emitter of CO2 in Europe), Turkey (who of course have nothing else to worry about), Argentina, and Brazil.

 

Their complaint did not mention China, India, or the US, the three largest emitters.

 

Needless to say, this has gone down badly in France. Journalists have called it "clownery" and "a total nonsense".

 

Actually, the whole thing has been clownery and a total nonsense from the get-go, but it's nice to see the media waking up to the fact.

[WeekendRaider]

another total faker.  she believes 'Climate Change' is a fashion thing as well as a fake political issue.

 

the science indicates that it is too late.

and even Obama at COP21 knew it was too late.  that was when they included the absurd "carbon removals" in the Paris agreement [almost 4 years ago now] that are impossible to the scale required..... as well as exactly what they agreed to!

and she considers "no fly" to be a personal decision, along the lines of "air travel shaming".  except a total abeyance on all commercial and private air travel always was, and still is, the first baby step on the emissions side, or for any serious mitigation at all to occur.  otherwise every other economic sector has and will continue to balk on any serious outlays or restrictions.  duh.  and, smart as always, why Obama and the rest of the crew exempted "aviation" at COP21... and then at Katowice [COP23] the industry itself came up with fake "CORSIA offsets".... on some air travel.... beginning in 2027.  whoppp deee doooo!!!!!!

 

this is how she can be such a media darling..... yet folks like Noam Chomsky, still alive and a thinkin', has not been seen on Amerikeen TV since the 1960's.... when on The Firing Line he said sending the Marines into South Vietnam.... was going to be a mistake.  but he can be seen quite a lot on Youtube today, becase he is so damn interesting and I especially love the Q&A at the USMA talk he gave a few years back now.... Chomsky spoke on 'Just Warfare' at the invitation of the cadet corps at West Point, New York.   Chomsky has always been point blank on Climate as a threat, along with nukes.  no fake "it's only about ice melting" or "Chinese Hoax".... which are the same denial, just different fake "sides".  and so he is never seen on USA TV... or USA newspapers hardly ever... but Greta she is a media darling!!!!  she talks about her feelings, but not the science or real politics. 

       
 

[Scott]

Troll posts and replies removed.  

 

[rabas]

On 10/17/2019 at 10:58 AM, Chomper Higgot said:

On 10/17/2019 at 10:51 AM, RideJocky said:

Yet you clearly only consider the opinions of those people that make a living publishing papers on global warming.

You mean scientists publishing peer reviewed research?!

 

"Peer Review is universally used to ensure the quality of scientific research, but the process may not be as reliable as people assume. A new study in PLoS One suggests that the recommendations reviewers may not be much more reliable than a coin toss."

 

https://www.science20.com/news_articles/how_reliable_peer_review

 

Not to mention that peer review does not determine if a theory is correct, just that there are no obvious holes in the argument, or perhaps your buddies in the field like you (or like climate change).

 

"Peer review is the worst possible way to judge papers, except all the others that have been tried"

[pegman]

9 hours ago, WeekendRaider said:

another total faker.  she believes 'Climate Change' is a fashion thing as well as a fake political issue.

 

the science indicates that it is too late.

and even Obama at COP21 knew it was too late.  that was when they included the absurd "carbon removals" in the Paris agreement [almost 4 years ago now] that are impossible to the scale required..... as well as exactly what they agreed to!

and she considers "no fly" to be a personal decision, along the lines of "air travel shaming".  except a total abeyance on all commercial and private air travel always was, and still is, the first baby step on the emissions side, or for any serious mitigation at all to occur.  otherwise every other economic sector has and will continue to balk on any serious outlays or restrictions.  duh.  and, smart as always, why Obama and the rest of the crew exempted "aviation" at COP21... and then at Katowice [COP23] the industry itself came up with fake "CORSIA offsets".... on some air travel.... beginning in 2027.  whoppp deee doooo!!!!!!

 

this is how she can be such a media darling..... yet folks like Noam Chomsky, still alive and a thinkin', has not been seen on Amerikeen TV since the 1960's.... when on The Firing Line he said sending the Marines into South Vietnam.... was going to be a mistake.  but he can be seen quite a lot on Youtube today, becase he is so damn interesting and I especially love the Q&A at the USMA talk he gave a few years back now.... Chomsky spoke on 'Just Warfare' at the invitation of the cadet corps at West Point, New York.   Chomsky has always been point blank on Climate as a threat, along with nukes.  no fake "it's only about ice melting" or "Chinese Hoax".... which are the same denial, just different fake "sides".  and so he is never seen on USA TV... or USA newspapers hardly ever... but Greta she is a media darling!!!!  she talks about her feelings, but not the science or real politics. 

       
 

True, American  corporate media treat the sheep like mushrooms feeding them ____ ______. Noam in the world treasure no doubt. Greta is about to speak in the heart of TarSands country in the State of Alberta.

 

 

[Scott]

Off-topic post removed.  

 

[pegman]

1 hour ago, pegman said:

True, American  corporate media treat the sheep like mushrooms feeding them ____ ______. Noam in the world treasure no doubt. Greta is about to speak in the heart of TarSands country in the State of Alberta.

 

 

7,000 in the crowd cheering her on in Edmonton, State of Alberta, Canada. Gutsy young woman to go to the heart of tar sands country to carry her climate change message. 

[Crazy Alex]

On 10/17/2019 at 11:44 AM, Forethat said:

I'd say people are getting pretty sick of these so called "climate activists". Today they dragged them to the ground and kicked the <deleted> out of them. 

 

Just saying.

 

https://metro.co.uk/2019/10/17/angry-commuters-drag-xr-protesters-off-tube-try-glue-10933003/

Wow, things are getting rough for climate change cultists when proper liberal Londonites are fed up with them to the point of beating the <deleted> out of them. Maybe the cultists should just consider getting jobs?

[Crazy Alex]

8 hours ago, rabas said:

 

"Peer Review is universally used to ensure the quality of scientific research, but the process may not be as reliable as people assume. A new study in PLoS One suggests that the recommendations reviewers may not be much more reliable than a coin toss."

 

https://www.science20.com/news_articles/how_reliable_peer_review

 

Not to mention that peer review does not determine if a theory is correct, just that there are no obvious holes in the argument, or perhaps your buddies in the field like you (or like climate change).

 

"Peer review is the worst possible way to judge papers, except all the others that have been tried"

Peer review = one political activist high-fiving another. Nothing more.

[Crazy Alex]

On 10/16/2019 at 7:19 PM, Orton Rd said:

How dare you!

I'm guessing any of us asking about her book deal will be equally offensive.  ????????????????????

[Crazy Alex]

On 10/16/2019 at 10:55 AM, bristolboy said:

there is over a hundred years of sea surface temperature records. And the current argo system is already recording rises in temperatures.

As for "climate being connected to a great number of disciplines". What does that even mean? Farmers depend on climate. Are farmers or agricultural scientists actually researching climate change? Because that would make them climatologists. But are they doing that? There has been some research connecting solar cycles to climate change. You might by stretching definitions a bit connect that to nuclear physics.  But the connection is a weak one and actually argues in favor of anthropogenic climate change.

Over 100 years of sea surface temperatures. Sounds impressive- until one reminds themselves Earth is 4,500,000,000 years old, making 100 years 0.0000022% of Earth's timeline. Making assumptions and predictions with that math would be crazy. Even worse, proposing things like moving people to higher ground, retrofitting building and eliminating aviation are flat out INSANE.

 

But getting back to predictions and assumptions: It's even worse that it appears, given how often Earth experiences increases and decreases in temperatures.

 

 

 

When a rational person puts in context how long we've kept records with Earth's timeline and other historical data, it's hard to conclude anything other than things are as they've been for hundreds of thousands of years or more.

 

[Cryingdick]

The dems would love to have her. She is the reason we should lower the voting age, not require ID, and let foreign nationals participate in our elections. I can't believe this thread is so long compared to the dems thread which is in moth balls. I guess this is as exciting as it gets.

[Crazy Alex]

2 hours ago, pegman said:

7,000 in the crowd cheering her on in Edmonton, State of Alberta, Canada. Gutsy young woman to go to the heart of tar sands country to carry her climate change message. 

Oh I don't know... showing up to a cult gathering where fellow cult members will be adoring, fawning and practically worshiping? Doesn't sound so gutsy to me.

[Cryingdick]

2 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Oh I don't know... showing up to a cult gathering where fellow cult members will be adoring, fawning and practically worshiping? Doesn't sound so gutsy to me.

 

Any word on how she got to Edmonton? Did she sail there?

[pegman]

5 minutes ago, Crazy Alex said:

Oh I don't know... showing up to a cult gathering where fellow cult members will be adoring, fawning and practically worshiping? Doesn't sound so gutsy to me.

Well there was a convoy of red necks from Red Deer who drove around the block while she spoke. 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/greta-thunberg-edmonton-alberta-counterprotest-1.5324949

[Crazy Alex]

 

5 minutes ago, pegman said:

Well there was a convoy of red necks from Red Deer who drove around the block while she spoke. 

 

https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/greta-thunberg-edmonton-alberta-counterprotest-1.5324949

Wow, scary. Maybe she can follow the lead of a famous US politician and say she landed in Alberta under sniper fire just to spice things up a bit.

[canuckamuck]

2 hours ago, pegman said:

7,000 in the crowd cheering her on in Edmonton, State of Alberta, Canada. Gutsy young woman to go to the heart of tar sands country to carry her climate change message. 

7000 people from a city of a million. They get that many out for semi-pro hockey games. And despite Edmonton's reliance on the oil industry. You are probably aware that the city itself is the center of socialism in Alberta. Welfare addicts always congregate near capital cities. Plenty of unemployed ne'er-do-wells were available to come and hear Greta. Yet obviously most of them stayed home.

 

She is certainly dedicated to what she believes, It is terrible the adults have let her get so upset over a political opinion.

 

 

[pegman]

1 minute ago, canuckamuck said:

7000 people from a city of a million. They get that many out for semi-pro hockey games. And despite Edmonton's reliance on the oil industry. You are probably aware that the city itself is the center of socialism in Alberta. Welfare addicts always congregate near capital cities. Plenty of unemployed ne'er-do-wells were available to come and hear Greta. Yet obviously most of them stayed home.

 

She is certainly dedicated to what she believes, It is terrible the adults have let her get so upset over a political opinion.

 

 

I thought you were telling us that your hometown is now full of the unemployed because Notley cut the world crude price by 2/3rds? Not nice what your calling those folks.

[brokenbone]

On 10/16/2019 at 10:55 PM, bristolboy said:

there is over a hundred years of sea surface temperature records. And the current argo system is already recording rises in temperatures.

As for "climate being connected to a great number of disciplines". What does that even mean? Farmers depend on climate. Are farmers or agricultural scientists actually researching climate change? Because that would make them climatologists. But are they doing that? There has been some research connecting solar cycles to climate change. You might by stretching definitions a bit connect that to nuclear physics.  But the connection is a weak one and actually argues in favor of anthropogenic climate change.

its modest these days compared to right when earth

came out of the last ice age, sea levels are confirming

we are at the moment at very stable temperatures

and sea level rise historically

[Crazy Alex]

7 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

its modest these days compared to right when earth

came out of the last ice age, sea levels are confirming

we are at the moment at very stable temperatures

and sea level rise historically

Thanks for posting the chart on sea levels rising especially. It lines up perfectly with the 7,000 year-old burial site being discovered in 21 feet of Atlantic Ocean.

 

https://www.nationalgeographic.com/news/2018/02/florida-native-american-indian-burial-underwater/

 

It only takes very rudimentary observations of basic facts for one to see the global warming cult is a complete and total scam- not about science but about emotion and hysteria. That is precisely why they use abused little girls like poor Greta. They have to appeal to lower brain emotions because the logic is horribly flawed.

 

[canuckamuck]

18 minutes ago, pegman said:

I thought you were telling us that your hometown is now full of the unemployed because Notley cut the world crude price by 2/3rds? Not nice what your calling those folks.

You have been trying to offend me in many ways, so far the only one that cuts is you suggesting I am from Edmonton.

I come from where the bosses live, not the grunts. 

[pegman]

42 minutes ago, canuckamuck said:

You have been trying to offend me in many ways, so far the only one that cuts is you suggesting I am from Edmonton.

I come from where the bosses live, not the grunts. 

I should have known from your avatar pic.  It was my displeasure, for many years, to have to spend one or two weeks a month in Cowtown. The only good thing I remember about that place was Tuesday pasta nite at the Pallister Hotel lounge.  One of the worst days of my work career was when I found out the corporation i dealt with was moving their headquarters from the great city of Montreal to Calgary. I cried for a week. I should add Caesar's Steak House & Lounge have the best grilled steak in Canada.

 

Back on topic. Real  science  not paid for by the fossil fuel industry. 

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

[rabas]

21 minutes ago, brokenbone said:

its modest these days compared to right when earth

came out of the last ice age, sea levels are confirming

we are at the moment at very stable temperatures

and sea level rise historically

[nice graph]

[nice graph]

[nice graph]

 

We are currently in an ice age with worsening periodic freeze ups (glaciations).  Each freeze up drops Earth's already historically low CO₂ levels to the point of death. As things start dying, massive atmospheric dust starts melting the miles deep ice and the cycles continue. They don't call CO₂ the molecule of life for no reason.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1674987116300305