canuckamuck Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 1 hour ago, stevenl said: Yes, she did an excellent job and gave climate change again the attention it deserves. Worldwide discussion, in some places action, and even here already 140+ pages of discussion. We'll get there, just hope it will not be too late. Get where? You going to change the climate somehow? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 8 minutes ago, canuckamuck said: Get where? You going to change the climate somehow? yeah, by reducing 0.02% co2 content in atmosphere we will see a miracle, expect santa claus to show up in alberta drinking ale to keep warm, all the while begging for someone to fire up a heating system anytime soon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimmyJ Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 "The lobbyist network behind attacks on Greta Thunberg" https://www.desmog.co.uk/2019/09/15/attacks-greta-thunberg-right-wing-free-market-network Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thaibeachlovers Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 12 hours ago, Airbagwill said: Manmade global warming is a scientific fact....a Climate denial is just a cavalcade of fools Climate always changes, has done since the planet formed, and will till it's destroyed by an expanding sun. Please post a link to any person of importance that says climate is not changing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damrongsak Posted October 20, 2019 Share Posted October 20, 2019 11 hours ago, Orton Rd said: No it's not, except to the people who think Nikola Tesla invented everything, we never landed on the moon and who think the earth is flat, they can prove it all with 'science' With the recent floods in Isaan, there are a whole bunch of people on the Korat plateau who know the earth is flat. ???? A few years back, people in BKK realized the same thing. I get tired of hearing about all this stuff. Sure, humans are bad on the earth. I do my part and keep a low environmental profile. I don't drive all around polluting. I keep the house (in the USA) cold in the winter and hot in the summer. When I was in Thailand way back when it was whatever the wind blew in. Loei got cold and hot. I had a couple of light bulbs and very few possessions. Life was good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Damrongsak said: With the recent floods in Isaan, there are a whole bunch of people on the Korat plateau who know the earth is flat. ???? A few years back, people in BKK realized the same thing. I get tired of hearing about all this stuff. Sure, humans are bad on the earth. I do my part and keep a low environmental profile. I don't drive all around polluting. I keep the house (in the USA) cold in the winter and hot in the summer. When I was in Thailand way back when it was whatever the wind blew in. Loei got cold and hot. I had a couple of light bulbs and very few possessions. Life was good. if you want to be eco-friendly and increase biomass, be sure to revv that cadillac and do your part for the plants. greenhouse owners found that many times over current co2 levels are optimal for nature there are benefits to raising the CO2 level higher than the global average, up to 1500 ppm. https://fifthseasongardening.com/regulating-carbon-dioxide as of todays atmospheric co2 levels, plants are starving for co2, we really do need to get consious about our environment and release back co2 that over millions of years have been sequestered into fossils. us, the living things, evolved at a time with much much higher co2 levels then is today, well over 2000 ppm, compared to todays measly 400 ppm co2, 5 times below the levels when we evolved. we became alive and evolved because of high co2 levels. co2 & h2o are the two most important molecules for life on earth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 hey, @New Yorker, dont be shy if you are confused, spit it out, what part is it that you dont understand ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinvictus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 5:04 PM, rabas said: No. The oil producers do not produce the emissions. Consumers do, by using fuel or buying products that need energy to produce. The original article in the Guardian purposely mashes facts to gin up emotion and hatred. The article you quoted is little more than an informational drive by shooting. I just want to understand you better. You're saying consumers 'produce' the emissions because of their demand right? Secondly, if you are taking that point would you then say that it's good? By "it's" I mean the continued dependence of fossil fuels? Please elaborate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinvictus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/17/2019 at 7:23 AM, bristolboy said: Well, he has a link in there. The problem is you've got to give them a lot of information to actually gain access to the graphic. But I assume it's the real thing. Still, it doesn't show whether disasters have been on the increase. I did find this from 2005 Disasters Increase, Death Rates Drop New figures show that the number of disasters worldwide has increased, death rates have decreased, but the number of people affected has increased. In 2005, there was an 18 percent rise in disasters that killed 91,900 people, and 360 natural disasters in 2005 compared to 305 in 2004, according to official figures issued by the Belgian Université Catholique de Louvain's Center for Research on the Epidemiology of Disasters (CRED) and the United Nations International Strategy for Disaster Reduction (ISDR) in Geneva. https://www.govtech.com/em/disaster/Disasters-Increase-Death-Rates.html And then there's the fact that apparently, earthquakes and tsunamis caused more death than any other kind of natural disaster. https://www.preventionweb.net/publications/view/42895 The point being that data can be a false friend if you don't understand what it means and what it doesn't mean. There are reasons that death rates could be dropping that don't correlate with the frequency of natural disasters. Exactly. Improved and well-established rescue operations not to mention early warning systems have no doubt improved over the years and helped prevent deaths. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solinvictus Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/17/2019 at 8:35 AM, RickBradford said: Now, you may regard that as credible science or you may not, but at the very least, it is a strong indication that climate activists would be well advised to keep their distance from the SJW/PC/identity politics types. I like your post until this quote. I would respectfully disagree. My reasoning is due to the poor outnumbering the rich. The poor will benefit from the new 'industry' or 'market' along with other 'green' new services/jobs. Halting or slowing long established sources of dirty pollution will be of course hurt some and who are they? The wealthy. I believe viewing the progressive ideas along with policy reforms with the aim of reducing pollution all the while helping lower/middle class people out will be key for her continued success in a positive change. She should keep doing what she is doing which includes gaining support from the same base that has been a victim of unfettered capitalism. This "base" includes the most vulnerable. The most vulnerable are also effected by the increase in natural disasters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 1 hour ago, Solinvictus said: The most vulnerable are also effected by the increase in natural disasters. there has been a decrease in natural disasters since 1950 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhatupThailand Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 I have to wonder....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastheace Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 On 10/20/2019 at 8:03 AM, transam said: Could be the moon doing overtime regarding some sea level rise. Well it does control our tides, doesn't it.........Where I had my boat there was no sea rise that I noticed over 30 years..???? there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 13 minutes ago, jastheace said: there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam sea levels are likely to continue rise ever so slightly until in a few thousand years when earth plummet into next ice age in line Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jastheace Posted October 21, 2019 Share Posted October 21, 2019 3 hours ago, brokenbone said: sea levels are likely to continue rise ever so slightly until in a few thousand years when earth plummet into next ice age in line yes, all makes sense now. thanks. hope no one brings a different view on the sun spot cycle, I will be completely fluffed up. thanks 5* for effort, ta very much cob Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 33 minutes ago, jastheace said: yes, all makes sense now. thanks. hope no one brings a different view on the sun spot cycle, I will be completely fluffed up. thanks 5* for effort, ta very much cob the sun spots is unrelated to milankovitch cycles but none the less has major implications, like the 'minor ice age' that had its peak 1650-1700, the ocean is still recovering from that, it takes eternity for the endless volume of the ocean to respond to changes in temperature, like hundreds to thousands of years, this is why co2 levels lag behind temperature fluctuations by 800 years. (al gore misinterpreted the graphs and thought co2 leads temperature, while the records show the exact opposite, that rising co2 is an effect of rising temperature) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transam Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 6 hours ago, jastheace said: there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam My boat was "parked" on Hastings beach...???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 7 hours ago, jastheace said: there are / have been extensive works done all around the marsh, Dymchurch for example. other places eg birling gap, beachy head are being allowed to succumb to nature. hastings is quite a steep beach, so protected by the shingle washed up, so gets steeper. it will be noticed, just maybe not in our lifetime. most effect is around equatorial areas, yes, due to the moon. @transam Sounds like you are talking about England. Isn't England tilting with one coast rising and the other sinking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabas Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 10 hours ago, Solinvictus said: I just want to understand you better. You're saying consumers 'produce' the emissions because of their demand right? Secondly, if you are taking that point would you then say that it's good? By "it's" I mean the continued dependence of fossil fuels? Please elaborate. Yes, that's correct. If people drive less and buy fewer things oil companies produce less. It was a technical point to correct the linked article's hate speech against industry. No, it is not particularly good to produce more CO2 at this time. We are already producing a lot. However, you must separate short term from long term effects. Historically (100s of Myears) I'm convinced the Earth is running low on CO2. This is why we are now deep in a multi million year ice age and why the freeze ups are getting worse. As for short term, my biggest worry is that governments and big money will use climate change to extract countless trillions from the public. A super weapon to continue the rich getting richer. In truth, simply using less and moving away from disposable products will help with CO2 but governments and banks are terrified of deflation. There is a responsible balance between fossil fuels and renewables. As solar and other direct to use energy sources become cheaper they are an obvious choice. Then use fossil fuels as needed to recirculate CO2 at optimum levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 9 hours ago, brokenbone said: sea levels are likely to continue rise ever so slightly until in a few thousand years when earth plummet into next ice age in line BTW the seabed in f.ex. between Sweden and Finland is still rising, recovering from the weight of the ice. So the sea level there is falling. It gets flushed elsewhere, of course. Just pointing out that the bottom of the seas is not a stable thing, either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RideJocky Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 There are just too many people eating meat, driving cars, flying and living in air-conditioned homes. These things are not sustainable and should be reserved for the wealthy, political elites and environmental activists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red59 Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Get in line kid.Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
canuckamuck Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, red59 said: Get in line kid. Sent from my iPhone using Thaivisa Connect Here here. I am certain someone stole my dreams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airbagwill Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 On 10/21/2019 at 5:34 AM, thaibeachlovers said: Climate always changes, has done since the planet formed, and will till it's destroyed by an expanding sun. Please post a link to any person of importance that says climate is not changing. what a silly post. You aren't even addressing the issue MMCC. That there is over 97% scuentific consensus is fact. Here are some "important" people.... Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal Académie des Sciences, France Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada Academy of Athens Academy of Science of Mozambique Academy of Science of South Africa Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS) Academy of Sciences Malaysia Academy of Sciences of Moldova Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science African Academy of Sciences Albanian Academy of Sciences Amazon Environmental Research Institute American Academy of Pediatrics American Anthropological Association American Association for the Advancement of Science American Association of State Climatologists (AASC) American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians American Astronomical Society American Chemical Society American College of Preventive Medicine American Fisheries Society American Geophysical Union American Institute of Biological Sciences American Institute of Physics American Meteorological Society American Physical Society American Public Health Association American Quaternary Association American Society for Microbiology American Society of Agronomy American Society of Civil Engineers American Society of Plant Biologists American Statistical Association Association of Ecosystem Research Centers Australian Academy of Science Australian Bureau of Meteorology Australian Coral Reef Society Australian Institute of Marine Science Australian Institute of Physics Australian Marine Sciences Association Australian Medical Association Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Bangladesh Academy of Sciences Botanical Society of America Brazilian Academy of Sciences British Antarctic Survey Bulgarian Academy of Sciences California Academy of Sciences Cameroon Academy of Sciences Canadian Association of Physicists Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences Canadian Geophysical Union Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Society of Soil Science Canadian Society of Zoologists Caribbean Academy of Sciences views Center for International Forestry Research Chinese Academy of Sciences Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia) Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences Crop Science Society of America Cuban Academy of Sciences Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters Ecological Society of America Ecological Society of Australia Environmental Protection Agency European Academy of Sciences and Arts European Federation of Geologists European Geosciences Union European Physical Society European Science Foundation Federation of American Scientists French Academy of Sciences Geological Society of America Geological Society of Australia Geological Society of London Georgian Academy of Sciences German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences Indian National Science Academy Indonesian Academy of Sciences Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK InterAcademy Council International Alliance of Research Universities International Arctic Science Committee International Association for Great Lakes Research International Council for Science International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences International Research Institute for Climate and Society International Union for Quaternary Research International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics International Union of Pure and Applied Physics Islamic World Academy of Sciences Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities Kenya National Academy of Sciences Korean Academy of Science and Technology Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal Latin American Academy of Sciences Latvian Academy of Sciences Lithuanian Academy of Sciences Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina National Academy of Sciences of Armenia National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka National Academy of Sciences, United States of America National Aeronautics and Space Administration National Association of Geoscience Teachers National Association of State Foresters National Center for Atmospheric Research National Council of Engineers Australia National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Research Council National Science Foundation Natural England Natural Environment Research Council, UK Natural Science Collections Alliance Network of African Science Academies New York Academy of Sciences Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences Nigerian Academy of Sciences Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters Oklahoma Climatological Survey Organization of Biological Field Stations Pakistan Academy of Sciences Palestine Academy for Science and Technology Pew Center on Global Climate Change Polish Academy of Sciences Romanian Academy Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain Royal Astronomical Society, UK Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters Royal Irish Academy Royal Meteorological Society (UK) Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research Royal Scientific Society of Jordan Royal Society of Canada Royal Society of Chemistry, UK Royal Society of the United Kingdom Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences Science and Technology, Australia Science Council of Japan Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics Scripps Institution of Oceanography Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts Slovak Academy of Sciences Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts Society for Ecological Restoration International Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics Society of American Foresters Society of Biology (UK) Society of Systematic Biologists Soil Science Society of America Sudan Academy of Sciences Sudanese National Academy of Science Tanzania Academy of Sciences The Wildlife Society (international) Turkish Academy of Sciences Uganda National Academy of Sciences Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change University Corporation for Atmospheric Research Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole Research Center World Association of Zoos and Aquariums World Federation of Public Health Associations World Forestry Congress World Health Organization World Meteorological Organization Zambia Academy of Sciences Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 It's got to be true if Sudan Academy of Sciences says so. Actually first time I saw such a list. Not impressed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brokenbone Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 12 minutes ago, Airbagwill said: what a silly post. You aren't even addressing the issue MMCC. That there is over 97% scuentific consensus is fact. Here are some "important" people.... Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal Académie des Sciences, France Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada Academy of Athens Academy of Science of Mozambique Academy of Science of South Africa Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS) Academy of Sciences Malaysia Academy of Sciences of Moldova Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science African Academy of Sciences Albanian Academy of Sciences Amazon Environmental Research Institute American Academy of Pediatrics American Anthropological Association American Association for the Advancement of Science American Association of State Climatologists (AASC) American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians American Astronomical Society American Chemical Society American College of Preventive Medicine American Fisheries Society American Geophysical Union American Institute of Biological Sciences American Institute of Physics American Meteorological Society American Physical Society American Public Health Association American Quaternary Association American Society for Microbiology American Society of Agronomy American Society of Civil Engineers American Society of Plant Biologists American Statistical Association Association of Ecosystem Research Centers Australian Academy of Science Australian Bureau of Meteorology Australian Coral Reef Society Australian Institute of Marine Science Australian Institute of Physics Australian Marine Sciences Association Australian Medical Association Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Bangladesh Academy of Sciences Botanical Society of America Brazilian Academy of Sciences British Antarctic Survey Bulgarian Academy of Sciences California Academy of Sciences Cameroon Academy of Sciences Canadian Association of Physicists Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences Canadian Geophysical Union Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society Canadian Society of Soil Science Canadian Society of Zoologists Caribbean Academy of Sciences views Center for International Forestry Research Chinese Academy of Sciences Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia) Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences Crop Science Society of America Cuban Academy of Sciences Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters Ecological Society of America Ecological Society of Australia Environmental Protection Agency European Academy of Sciences and Arts European Federation of Geologists European Geosciences Union European Physical Society European Science Foundation Federation of American Scientists French Academy of Sciences Geological Society of America Geological Society of Australia Geological Society of London Georgian Academy of Sciences German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences Indian National Science Academy Indonesian Academy of Sciences Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK InterAcademy Council International Alliance of Research Universities International Arctic Science Committee International Association for Great Lakes Research International Council for Science International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences International Research Institute for Climate and Society International Union for Quaternary Research International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics International Union of Pure and Applied Physics Islamic World Academy of Sciences Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities Kenya National Academy of Sciences Korean Academy of Science and Technology Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal Latin American Academy of Sciences Latvian Academy of Sciences Lithuanian Academy of Sciences Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina National Academy of Sciences of Armenia National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka National Academy of Sciences, United States of America National Aeronautics and Space Administration National Association of Geoscience Teachers National Association of State Foresters National Center for Atmospheric Research National Council of Engineers Australia National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration National Research Council National Science Foundation Natural England Natural Environment Research Council, UK Natural Science Collections Alliance Network of African Science Academies New York Academy of Sciences Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences Nigerian Academy of Sciences Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters Oklahoma Climatological Survey Organization of Biological Field Stations Pakistan Academy of Sciences Palestine Academy for Science and Technology Pew Center on Global Climate Change Polish Academy of Sciences Romanian Academy Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain Royal Astronomical Society, UK Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters Royal Irish Academy Royal Meteorological Society (UK) Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research Royal Scientific Society of Jordan Royal Society of Canada Royal Society of Chemistry, UK Royal Society of the United Kingdom Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences Russian Academy of Sciences Science and Technology, Australia Science Council of Japan Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics Scripps Institution of Oceanography Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts Slovak Academy of Sciences Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts Society for Ecological Restoration International Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics Society of American Foresters Society of Biology (UK) Society of Systematic Biologists Soil Science Society of America Sudan Academy of Sciences Sudanese National Academy of Science Tanzania Academy of Sciences The Wildlife Society (international) Turkish Academy of Sciences Uganda National Academy of Sciences Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change University Corporation for Atmospheric Research Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution Woods Hole Research Center World Association of Zoos and Aquariums World Federation of Public Health Associations World Forestry Congress World Health Organization World Meteorological Organization Zambia Academy of Sciences Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences no, the 97% TM is abstracts that john cook & fellow enthusiastic amateurs subjectively decided concluded his agenda. mark my words, future generations are going to use the 97% TM as a verb to ridicule science and older generations in a belittling manner http://www.hi-izuru.org/forum/The Consensus Project/2012-02-27-Official TCP Guidelines (all discussion of grey areas, disputed papers, clarifications goes here).html Link to comment Share 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rabas Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 1 hour ago, Airbagwill said: That there is over 97% scuentific consensus is fact. Here are some "important" people.... ... Geological Society of America ... Part of your 97% was just caught badly lying to you about climate and GW. The story. About 66M BC a giant asteroid hit the Earth wiping out the dinosaurs and eventually killed 60% of all aquatic life. Recently the 97% has been pushing a story that the Earth was already dying from global warming and the asteroid was only a final push. CO2 from volcanoes was the main culprit! of course. The Geological Society of America recently presented this as a GW story with emotional terms and images, even visually comparing ancient volcanoes to man's factories. Tale of two climate crises gives clues to the present They suggest the eruption of the Deccan Traps in India starting 100000s of years earlier led to CO2 and ocean acidification that was largely to blame. A common climatologist story oft told. Only problem, It didn't happen. A paper from Yale just introduced a new method to study previously unknown ocean conditions at that time, quote: "What we can show is that there is no real signal of gradual pH decline [acidification] in the ocean in the lead-up to K-Pg,[astroid strike]" Henehan said. "Our results do not support any major role for volcanic activity in priming the world for extinction." https://phys.org/news/2019-10-mystery-ocean-acidity-mass-extinction.html Didn't happen. Does this mean there is no global warming? No. It means one can't blindly believe because they say 97% and it's all settled science. Science is never settled. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forethat Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 3 hours ago, brokenbone said: no, the 97% TM is abstracts that john cook & fellow enthusiastic amateurs subjectively decided concluded his agenda. mark my words, future generations are going to use the 97% TM as a verb to ridicule science and older generations in a belittling manner http://www.hi-izuru.org/forum/The Consensus Project/2012-02-27-Official TCP Guidelines (all discussion of grey areas, disputed papers, clarifications goes here).html Exactly. I have previously provided details regarding the 97%. The first mentioning of the 97% is an old survey performed by University of Illinois 2009 (Doran/Zimmerman, Examining the Scientific Consensus on Climate Change, 2009). Two questions were sent by post to 10,257 members of the American Geophysical Union, AGU. 3,146 replied. Every single respondent but 77 (!) was removed for arbitrary reasons, and out of the remaining 77, there were 75 who agreed with the theory. That's 97% of 77, but only 0.07% of the 10,257 who received the question. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sujo Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 4 hours ago, DrTuner said: It's got to be true if Sudan Academy of Sciences says so. Actually first time I saw such a list. Not impressed. Is that all u got? Wheres your list? TV members will surely be considered in high regard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrTuner Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 11 minutes ago, Sujo said: Is that all u got? Wheres your list? TV members will surely be considered in high regard. * My neighbours cat * The dead rat he was carrying * Random somchai They are in 100% consensus that CO2 isn't killing them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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