U.S. House to launch Trump impeachment inquiry over Ukraine controversy

[riclag]

10 hours ago, bristolboy said:

 

"A Republican senator said he was told by an American diplomat in August that the release of U.S. aid to Ukraine was contingent on an investigation desired by President Trump and his allies, but Mr. Trump denied pursuing any such proposal when the lawmaker pressed him on it.

Sen. Ron Johnson said that Gordon Sondland, the U.S. ambassador to the European Union, had described to him a quid pro quo involving a commitment by Kyiv to probe matters related to U.S. elections and the status of nearly $400 million in U.S. aid to Ukraine that the president had ordered to be held up in July."

https://www.wsj.com/articles/trump-administration-used-potential-meeting-to-pressure-ukraine-on-biden-texts-indicate-11570205661

This is the same Sondland, (a political appointee who sent 1 million dollars to the Trump Inauguration fund), who denied such a connection to Volker and asked him to continue the discussions about the Ukrainian situation by phone, not by text.

 

Swallwell said, his dem committee members would have damming new evidence.

Meadows said any comments that were reported nefarious by the POTUS was not backed up by the facts in the Vocker meeting.

 

 

"Even as he endorsed investigations by both China and Ukrainian officials, Johnson denied the July 25 call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky at the heart of a whistleblower complaint represented Trump pressuring Zelensky to investigate the Bidens".

"I look at that transcript and I go, it's Trump being Trump," Johnson said, according to the Journal-Sentinel".

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/464302-gop-senator-says-he-doesnt-remember-signing-2016-letter-urging-reform-of

 

 "Furthermore, was aid ever used as leverage?

The only indication that it is in the texts is from Taylor, who was reacting after the news report about the aid cutoff so may not have been working off of independent knowledge, something that House Intelligence Committee Republicans have said Volker testified". 

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/the-emerging-ukraine-story-as-told-through-the-texts-and-the-transcript

 

IMOP,I think its safe to say Soanland(Trump appointee)  and Taylor a (career bureaucrat)  won't be discussing what went on in their private conversation with committee members anytime soon. Especially since The WH isn't sharing info with the radical house dems until they file a formal impeachment!

 

Bring it on

[Becker]

Link: More Americans are lining up behind impeachment — and the next step, conviction

 

"A half-dozen new national polls that show support for the impeachment inquiry into President Trump took a big jump in the past week — even before some of the most significant evidence gathered by House investigators was released to the public."

 

Link: Romney rips Trump: 'Wrong and appalling' to ask China and Ukraine to investigate Biden

 

"When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated."

 

And this won't help poor, old Don:

Trade war damage is 'more significant than most Americans ever realized'

 

“Remember, we were told that the trade wars are easy to win,” Doug Barry, senior director of communications and publications for the U.S.-China Business Council (USBC), told Yahoo Finance. “That was just as they were beginning a year ago. We found that not to be true, they’re not easy to win.”

Barry added that “not only aren’t they easy to win, but the unintended costs of a trade war are far more significant than most Americans ever realized. That’s the wake-up call — when you start engaging in this kind of conflict, there doesn’t seem to be a bottom to it.”

 

[Becker]

24 minutes ago, walt1953 said:

To all you anty-Trumpers. You and democrats have only wish to impeach Trump. This will never happen. All you have is <deleted>, lies by democrats , fabricated stories by pencil-neck Shiff and hating Trump members of his administration. To start impeachment process Congress needs to vote. Why Pelosi does not decide to start  to vote? She realizes that whistleblower is not credible witness and will be destroyed during hearings. There is nothing on Trump, three years witch hunting and nothing only lies by democrats who can't accept Trump's winning.  Pelosi also knows that starting impeachment will  bring defeat Democratic Party in 2020 election. Finally, she knows that Republicans Senat will never convict Trump ( required 67 votes). Please however wait for results of GA Barr investigation how corrupt democrats are. This is only the matter of time and we will see who was behind Russian dossier , who spied on Trump during 2016 election and tried to collude to destroyed Trump. You are going to be stunned. Trump president 2020

Mitt Romney:

"When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated."

 

I might add that it really strains credulity to read posts like yours, posts that are devoid of facts but full of wishful thinking and diversions.

[riclag]

31 minutes ago, Becker said:

Link: More Americans are lining up behind impeachment — and the next step, conviction

 

"A half-dozen new national polls that show support for the impeachment inquiry into President Trump took a big jump in the past week — even before some of the most significant evidence gathered by House investigators was released to the public."

 

Link: Romney rips Trump: 'Wrong and appalling' to ask China and Ukraine to investigate Biden

 

"When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated."

 

And this won't help poor, old Don:

Trade war damage is 'more significant than most Americans ever realized'

 

“Remember, we were told that the trade wars are easy to win,” Doug Barry, senior director of communications and publications for the U.S.-China Business Council (USBC), told Yahoo Finance. “That was just as they were beginning a year ago. We found that not to be true, they’re not easy to win.”

Barry added that “not only aren’t they easy to win, but the unintended costs of a trade war are far more significant than most Americans ever realized. That’s the wake-up call — when you start engaging in this kind of conflict, there doesn’t seem to be a bottom to it.”

 

Bring it on, Formal Impeachment . America deserves to see the radical dems act out only to be denied in the Senate! One year till election time, anything can happen ,possibly soon. Many things are developing 

[walt1953]

 

25 minutes ago, Becker said:

Mitt Romney:

"When the only American citizen President Trump singles out for China’s investigation is his political opponent in the midst of the Democratic nomination process, it strains credulity to suggest that it is anything other than politically motivated."

 

I might add that it really strains credulity to read posts like yours, posts that are devoid of facts but full of wishful thinking and diversions.

 About Romney : He is a bitter, disappointed senator who was hoping for a job in the Trump administration. He asked Trump for help and endorsment before the Senate elections in Utah. Now that he is a senator, he is Trump's most ardent critic. A small wicked and despicable man. It is not worth attention

 

You entitled to opinion .I have right to opinion too 

[Jingthing]

 
 About Romney : He is a bitter, disappointed senator who was hoping for a job in the Trump administration. He asked Trump for help and endorsment before the Senate elections in Utah. Now that he is a senator, he is Trump's most ardent critic. A small wicked and despicable man. It is not worth attention
 
You entitled to opinion .I have right to opinion too 

Yeah of course you are.
I'm not the slightest bit of a republican but Romney is a decent honorable man and would have made a decent honorable president who would have enhanced the reputation of the USA.
Instead in my opinion we now have the opposite situation which makes many Americans embarrassed to have such a poorly behaved leader.

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[Becker]

7 minutes ago, riclag said:

Bring it on, Formal Impeachment . America deserves to see the radical dems act out only to be denied in the Senate!

So what you're saying is that although overwhelming evidence exists of Trump's election interference you see it as a victory that the GOP senators shamelessly will vote against getting rid of the criminal?

Wow.

[Becker]

8 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah of course you are.
I'm not the slightest bit of a republican but Romney is a decent honorable man and would have made a decent honorable president who would have enhanced the reputation of the USA.
Instead in my opinion we now have the opposite situation which makes many Americans embarrassed to have such a poorly behaved leader.
 

Poorly behaved? You're being kind. He's a criminal and a traitor as he showed the whole world when he urged the Chinese to start investigating a political rival.

[Becker]

20 minutes ago, walt1953 said:

 

 About Romney : He is a bitter, disappointed senator who was hoping for a job in the Trump administration. He asked Trump for help and endorsment before the Senate elections in Utah. Now that he is a senator, he is Trump's most ardent critic. A small wicked and despicable man.

Actually, he's the polar opposite. Even though I don't agree with his politics he's everything Trump isn't; emphatic, intelligent, moral and honorable.

 

"You entitled to opinion .I have right to opinion too"

Yes, you do. So?

[BestB]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Well, if they take your money to bolster their defense but it ends up in the hands of a few persons without bolstering the defense you should care.

Wrong , I should not care I am not American , but Americans should and yet some have a problem with their president asking to investigate

[canuckamuck]

Volker disagrees with the impeachment narrative. Link

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, Becker said:

Poorly behaved? You're being kind. He's a criminal and a traitor as he showed the whole world when he urged the Chinese to start investigating a political rival.

Yes, I am being too kind.

[riclag]

34 minutes ago, Becker said:

So what you're saying is that although overwhelming evidence exists of Trump's election interference you see it as a victory that the GOP senators shamelessly will vote against getting rid of the criminal?

Wow.

Your reading to much into the dem and MSM narrative on criminality,don't ya think! The founders chose the Senate to decide that not the House 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 10/4/2019 at 4:22 AM, Xavnel said:

The next 13 years of the United States Presidency will be as follows... 

Donald Trump 2020

Candace Owens 2024-32

 

I had to google her, but looks good to follow Trump.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Bring it on, Formal Impeachment . America deserves to see the radical dems act out only to be denied in the Senate! One year till election time, anything can happen ,possibly soon. Many things are developing 

Not forgetting that impeachment that fails in the senate will only help Trump in his election campaign.

I notice that the Dems having decided, IMO, that Pence is as much a threat as Trump, have now decided to go after him as well. Removing Trump and having Pence take over would hardly have been a prospect to encourage Dems to impeach.

Trump's strategy now seems to push everything into the courts up to the SCOTUS and hoping the election will take place before the SCOTUS rules, which takes it out of the election context. No doubt, IMO, that he will be counting on the GOP taking back the house and killing it off for good.

[jcsmith]

4 hours ago, RideJocky said:

 

1. It is disputed

2. Thanks

 

In what way is it disputed? If you honestly are going to sit here and tell me that Trump didn't do this, when there is hard undeniable evidence that he did, then you are delusional. It's in the transcript that he released! He has gone on TV and confirmed it. 

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Not forgetting that impeachment that fails in the senate will only help Trump in his election campaign.

I notice that the Dems having decided, IMO, that Pence is as much a threat as Trump, have now decided to go after him as well. Removing Trump and having Pence take over would hardly have been a prospect to encourage Dems to impeach.

Trump's strategy now seems to push everything into the courts up to the SCOTUS and hoping the election will take place before the SCOTUS rules, which takes it out of the election context. No doubt, IMO, that he will be counting on the GOP taking back the house and killing it off for good.

The Dems are investigating Pence because of the part he played in Trump’s attempts to get the Ukrainian President to interfere in the 2020 US elections.

 

I said a while back, an outcome of the corruption and crimes committed by this President and his administration might very well be, President Pelosi.

 

Don’t dismiss that possibility out of hand.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Bring it on, Formal Impeachment . America deserves to see the radical dems act out only to be denied in the Senate! One year till election time, anything can happen ,possibly soon. Many things are developing 

Don’t fret, Trump’s impeachment is coming.

 

But you are right, many things are developing, amongst which are Republicans in both houses turning on Trump.

 

And the good news, there’s a second whistleblower on the way.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.html

 

 

So much winning!

[Jingthing]

The Dems are investigating Pence because of the part he played in Trump’s attempts to get the Ukrainian President to interfere in the 2020 US elections.
 
I said a while back, an outcome of the corruption and crimes committed by this President and his administration might very well be, President Pelosi.
 
Don’t dismiss that possibility out of hand.

Well it's quite unlikely but if it happened I'm sure the most powerful and impressive female politician in American history would present her time in office as a needed transition phase to resolve a national emergency until the 2020 election. It would be ironic indeed if the first woman president happened in such an accidental way.

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[Tippaporn]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The Dems are investigating Pence because of the part he played in Trump’s attempts to get the Ukrainian President to interfere in the 2020 US elections.

 

I said a while back, an outcome of the corruption and crimes committed by this President and his administration might very well be, President Pelosi.

 

Don’t dismiss that possibility out of hand.

Don’t dismiss that possibility out of hand.

 

Pelosi as President is a possibility that's dismissed as out of this world.  Pelosi outright lied on 60 Minutes.  I doubt she even survives as speaker of the house by the end of this year.

[riclag]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t fret, Trump’s impeachment is coming.

 

But you are right, many things are developing, amongst which are Republicans in both houses turning on Trump.

 

And the good news, there’s a second whistleblower on the way.

Not fretting,I'm with you on the  formal impeachment,cause I want to see the debate on the floor ,due process and the vote. It's the only way the GOP can corner the dems and show America their sole purpose and existence  is to destroy Mr. Trump.Until then its all political theater by the treasonous Mr. Sciff, IMOP

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Tippaporn said:

Don’t dismiss that possibility out of hand.

 

Pelosi as President is a possibility that's dismissed as out of this world.  Pelosi outright lied on 60 Minutes.  I doubt she even survives as speaker of the house by the end of this year.

If both the President and the Vice President are removed from office then the Speaker of the House becomes the acting President.

 

Your references to TV programs and what you believe transpired on them is irrelevant.

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, riclag said:

Not fretting,I'm with you on the  formal impeachment,cause I want to see the debate on the floor and the vote. It's the only way the GOP can corner the dems and show America their sole purpose and existence  is to destroy Mr. Trump.Until then its all political theater by the treasonous Mr. Sciff

It’s coming, but do note tge WH are acting to delay it.

 

Your hyperbole allegations against Schiff are hollow nonsense.

[Tippaporn]

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Don’t fret, Trump’s impeachment is coming.

 

But you are right, many things are developing, amongst which are Republicans in both houses turning on Trump.

 

And the good news, there’s a second whistleblower on the way.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/04/us/politics/second-trump-whistleblower.html

 

 

So much winning!

The Dems have to maintain the assault any way they can.  Their 1st whistle blower will be a fail and the Dems realize it.  So keep up the attack because some of these people are in deep trouble.  They cannot afford to lose this charade.

 

A 2nd whistle blower?  Bring him on!

 

The article is the usual NYT drivel.  They describe in the article that Trump's released transcript is "reconstructed."  Prove it, NYT.  The Guardian used similar language, "reconstituted," in the article posted by a member yesterday.  A pattern amongst the MSM?  Of course there's no proof that Trump's call was anything other than the full and exact transcript of the entire call.  Doesn't stop those honest journalists at the Times and elsewhere from using the term in such a way as to promote it as fact.  I wonder exactly how many people the CIA has embedded in the MSM?

 

The article is mostly blah, blah, blah and doesn't include anything new other than another "potential" whistle blower.  What I believe is the likeliest possibility here is that if the 1st whistle blower's sources must be outed in an impeachment inquiry and they would be forced to then be to give testimony.  So the 2nd whistle blower would be one of the sources of the 1st whistle blower.  Which would make it appear as there are "more" of them out there.

 

They then go on to touch on the latest "incriminating" news, the "explosive" texts exchanged by the State Dept. and Giuliani.  Of course the choice of their descriptor is to give the impression that these texts are, without question, damning to Trump.

 

Keep following the MSM, the Dem's pied piper, right off the cliff.

[AussieBob18]

On 9/25/2019 at 9:40 AM, Jingthing said:

Something the "trump" fans might not be factoring into this equation. With this formal impeachment process much more information we don't already know will be coming out into the light. Not only about Ukraine. That was the tipping point but really the tip of the iceberg. If "trump" fans actually believe their man is clean and not the criminally corrupt con man he has clearly been for several decades then they can relax.

Totally relaxed. 

Over 2 years of Mueller = nothing.

Transcript of Ukraine call = Nothing.

Dems are pulling another 'impeachment' stunt but the result will be the same = nothing.

Barr will be indicting those responsible for the fake Russia investigation soon - but not too soon.

Maximum political damage to Dems will be in 2020 - that is when the treason/collusion hearings will start.

2020 = Trump landslide. 

2020 = POTUS and House and Senate in GOP control = political destruction of all Dems involved (current and previous).

That is why they are desperately starting a fake impeachment hearing on a 'nothing burger'. 

I am totally relaxed.

You and all the other TDS sufferers on the other hand have a lot to fear.

Trump destroyed your credibility in 2016 - and in 2020 he is going to do even more.

I am totally and absolutely relaxed about it all - and enjoying the show.

 

[Tippaporn]

26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

If both the President and the Vice President are removed from office then the Speaker of the House becomes the acting President.

 

Your references to TV programs and what you believe transpired on them is irrelevant.

Your references to TV programs and what you believe transpired on them is irrelevant.

 

Why that snippet of video from her interview has gone viral.  Has nothing to do with my belief or anyone else's belief.  To suggest that it's simply my belief, Chomper, is sooo dishonest.

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, AussieBob18 said:

Totally relaxed. 

Over 2 years of Mueller = nothing.

Transcript of Ukraine call = Nothing.

Dems are pulling another 'impeachment' stunt but the result will be the same = nothing.

Barr will be indicting those responsible for the fake Russia investigation soon - but not too soon.

Maximum political damage to Dems will be in 2020 - that is when the treason/collusion hearings will start.

2020 = Trump landslide. 

2020 = POTUS and House and Senate in GOP control = political destruction of all Dems involved (current and previous).

That is why they are desperately starting a fake impeachment hearing on a 'nothing burger'. 

I am totally relaxed.

You and all the other TDS sufferers on the other hand have a lot to fear.

Trump destroyed your credibility in 2016 - and in 2020 he is going to do even more.

I am totally and absolutely relaxed about it all - and enjoying the show.

 

If you're actually that good at making predictions, please PM me with your stock picks.

Otherwise you know what I find relaxing?

Not engaging with people online that personally insult me. TDS indeed. Maybe look in the mirror.

So Ba-Bye. 

[AussieBob18]

4 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

If you're actually that good at making predictions, please PM me with your stock picks.

Otherwise you know what I find relaxing?

Not engaging with people online that personally insult me. TDS indeed. Maybe look in the mirror.

So Ba-Bye. 

Gonna miss you ????   NOT !!  ???? 

[chokrai]

1 hour ago, Becker said:

So what you're saying is that although overwhelming evidence exists of Trump's election interference you see it as a victory that the GOP senators shamelessly will vote against getting rid of the criminal?

Wow.

No overwhelming evidence. No evidence at all. Just Democrat lies. Just like Shiff got up in front of the House and lied to the American people. Thats what Democrats do. You can keep repeating those lies that does not make them true. You guys just hate Trump so much it is a sickness. 

[Becker]

1 hour ago, riclag said:

Your reading to much into the dem and MSM narrative on criminality,don't ya think! The founders chose the Senate to decide that not the House 

And my post still stands.